Please keep out the OT crap! [was Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.]

Please keep out the OT crap! I had to start a new thread because some
jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...e614fe3?hl=en&
:

> Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:

> >On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...

> >> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

> >Digital cell phones should stop using the compression they use and
> >start using monaural WMA compression with a CBR of 20 kbps or less and
> >a sample rate of at least 44.1 KHz.

> Very roughly, the current 8Kbits/sec encoding rate,
> compared to your 44Kbit/sec, will only handle about 1/5th the number
> of users.

Who said anything about 44Kbit/sec?

The bit-rate of my WMA CBR is 20Kbit/sec or less.

> >1. In its uncompressed form, the audio must have a bit-resolution of
> >at least 16-bit

> The encoding resolution is not changed by compression. If you encode
> something with 16 bit resolution, and compress it, you still have 16
> bit data coming out. It's the data rate or thruput that changes with
> compression.

Okay.

> >2. The sample-rate of the compressed and the uncompressed version of
> >the audio must be the same.

> Not possible. If the rate in and rate out are identical, then there's
> no compression happening.

Yes it is possible and it is compression. The uncompressed audio is a
monaural linear PCM at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a 16-bit-resolution
-- this audio has a bit-rate of 705.6 kbps. The compressed audio is a
monaural CBR WMA at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a bit-rate of 20 kbps or
less.

Where/when is there any change in sample-rate?????????

There is definitely a change in bit-rate. However, that is totally
different from the sample-rate. Totally.

BIT-rate and SAMPLE-rate are two completely different things.

In linear PCM audio:

BIT-rate = SAMPLE-rate X bit-resolution X number of channels

Stereo has two channels. Mono has one channel.

44,100 Hz X 16-bit X 1 channel = 705,600 bps



Radium

aint it a groove?
On Jul 21, 1:07 pm, Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please keep out the OT crap! I had to start a new thread because some
> jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.
>
> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote inhttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e6...
> :
>
> > Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:
> > >On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...
> > >> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?
> > >Digital cell phones should stop using the compression they use and
> > >start using monaural WMA compression with a CBR of 20 kbps or less and
> > >a sample rate of at least 44.1 KHz.
> > Very roughly, the current 8Kbits/sec encoding rate,
> > compared to your 44Kbit/sec, will only handle about 1/5th the number
> > of users.
>
> Who said anything about 44Kbit/sec?
>
> The bit-rate of my WMA CBR is 20Kbit/sec or less.
>
> > >1. In its uncompressed form, the audio must have a bit-resolution of
> > >at least 16-bit
> > The encoding resolution is not changed by compression. If you encode
> > something with 16 bit resolution, and compress it, you still have 16
> > bit data coming out. It's the data rate or thruput that changes with
> > compression.
>
> Okay.
>
> > >2. The sample-rate of the compressed and the uncompressed version of
> > >the audio must be the same.
> > Not possible. If the rate in and rate out are identical, then there's
> > no compression happening.
>
> Yes it is possible and it is compression. The uncompressed audio is a
> monaural linear PCM at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a 16-bit-resolution
> -- this audio has a bit-rate of 705.6 kbps. The compressed audio is a
> monaural CBR WMA at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a bit-rate of 20 kbps or
> less.
>
> Where/when is there any change in sample-rate?????????
>
> There is definitely a change in bit-rate. However, that is totally
> different from the sample-rate. Totally.
>
> BIT-rate and SAMPLE-rate are two completely different things.
>
> In linear PCM audio:
>
> BIT-rate = SAMPLE-rate X bit-resolution X number of channels
>
> Stereo has two channels. Mono has one channel.
>
> 44,100 Hz X 16-bit X 1 channel = 705,600 bps

On Jul 21, 1:07 pm, Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:
- Please keep out the OT crap! I had to start a new thread
- because some jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

- S N I P -

RADIUM,

The please keep 'your' OT crap! OFF of Rec.Radio.Shortwave
* The Theard Goes Where The Thread Goes
* That Is The Nature Of NewsGroups

- I had to start a new thread because some
- jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

Relevance in in the Mind of the Poster.

Right now since the 'topic' is CellPhones - I makes me wonder
what kind of Cellphone and Service Provider others here may
have . . .

OK starting with me :
I have a Motorla RAZR V3 via AT&T {Cingular} Wireless
and I do not want any changes to the Cellphone
Broadcasting System [.]

Keep Posting Your Scientific and Cellphone BS to
Rec.Radio.Shortwave and you will see replying to
it with what ever comes into my mind and inviting
others hear to do the same.

However, leave Rec.Radio.Shortwave "Off" your
Cross-Posting List and you won't have to deal
with me. Now woldn't that be nice.

Say Cuhulin do you have a CellPhone ?

David I know you must have a Cellphone.

Bet-Ya Telamon has a Cellphone.

Wondering -if- DX Ace has a Cellphone ?

Burr way over in the PI - you got a Cellphone over there ?

Hey Back At You "Radium" Wondering . . .
You Gotta Cellphone and who is your Service Provider ?

IF YOU GOT A CELLPHONE LET RADIUM HEAR ABOUT IT !

I B 'rhf' Listening to my Shortwave Radio
with my Cellphone near-by bye bye ~ RHF

On Jul 21, 5:02 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Jul 21, 1:07 pm, Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> - Please keep out the OT crap! I had to start a new thread
> - because some jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.
>
> - S N I P -
>
> RADIUM,
>
> The please keep 'your' OT crap! OFF of Rec.Radio.Shortwave
> * The Theard Goes Where The Thread Goes
> * That Is The Nature Of NewsGroups
>
> - I had to start a new thread because some
> - jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.
>
> Relevance in in the Mind of the Poster.
>
> Right now since the 'topic' is CellPhones - I makes me wonder
> what kind of Cellphone and Service Provider others here may
> have . . .
>
> OK starting with me :
> I have a Motorla RAZR V3 via AT&T {Cingular} Wireless
> and I do not want any changes to the Cellphone
> Broadcasting System [.]
>
> Keep Posting Your Scientific and Cellphone BS to
> Rec.Radio.Shortwave and you will see replying to
> it with what ever comes into my mind and inviting
> others hear to do the same.
>
> However, leave Rec.Radio.Shortwave "Off" your
> Cross-Posting List and you won't have to deal
> with me. Now woldn't that be nice.
>
> Say Cuhulin do you have a CellPhone ?
>
> David I know you must have a Cellphone.
>
> Bet-Ya Telamon has a Cellphone.
>
> Wondering -if- DX Ace has a Cellphone ?
>
> Burr way over in the PI - you got a Cellphone over there ?
>
> Hey Back At You "Radium" Wondering . . .
> You Gotta Cellphone and who is your Service Provider ?
>
> IF YOU GOT A CELLPHONE LET RADIUM HEAR ABOUT IT !
>
> I B 'rhf' Listening to my Shortwave Radio
> with my Cellphone near-by bye bye ~ RHF
> .
> On the Internet Everyone Knows - I Am A Jerk !
> .
> .
> . .

Verizon here RHF. I wouldn't have gotten a cell phone but I got this
new job over at Harris. (And just the keep this post legal, Harris
makes shortwave radios. Heheh.) So I'm working in Rochester, NY and
Wife is in Ma so I had to get a cell phone to keep in communication.
Hey, don't cell phones use tiny waves. I guess this stuff should
really be posted to rec.radio.tinywave, but that keeps bouncing.
Anyway, so there ya go, I like Verizon just fine. A really nice
polite bunch of peeps over there and very helpful if you get the
chance to call them. I give em a two thumbs up.

Regards,
N9NEO
Just say NEO!

On Jul 21, 1:07 pm, Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please keep out the OT crap! I had to start a new thread because some
> jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.
>
> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote inhttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e6...
> :
>
> > Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:
> > >On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...
> > >> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?
> > >Digital cell phones should stop using the compression they use and
> > >start using monaural WMA compression with a CBR of 20 kbps or less and
> > >a sample rate of at least 44.1 KHz.
> > Very roughly, the current 8Kbits/sec encoding rate,
> > compared to your 44Kbit/sec, will only handle about 1/5th the number
> > of users.
>
> Who said anything about 44Kbit/sec?
>
> The bit-rate of my WMA CBR is 20Kbit/sec or less.
>
> > >1. In its uncompressed form, the audio must have a bit-resolution of
> > >at least 16-bit
> > The encoding resolution is not changed by compression. If you encode
> > something with 16 bit resolution, and compress it, you still have 16
> > bit data coming out. It's the data rate or thruput that changes with
> > compression.
>
> Okay.
>
> > >2. The sample-rate of the compressed and the uncompressed version of
> > >the audio must be the same.
> > Not possible. If the rate in and rate out are identical, then there's
> > no compression happening.
>
> Yes it is possible and it is compression. The uncompressed audio is a
> monaural linear PCM at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a 16-bit-resolution
> -- this audio has a bit-rate of 705.6 kbps. The compressed audio is a
> monaural CBR WMA at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a bit-rate of 20 kbps or
> less.
>
> Where/when is there any change in sample-rate?????????
>
> There is definitely a change in bit-rate. However, that is totally
> different from the sample-rate. Totally.
>
> BIT-rate and SAMPLE-rate are two completely different things.
>
> In linear PCM audio:
>
> BIT-rate = SAMPLE-rate X bit-resolution X number of channels
>
> Stereo has two channels. Mono has one channel.
>
> 44,100 Hz X 16-bit X 1 channel = 705,600 bps

Radium Writes in Google Groups Guide :
Will someone please find the physical out where
google groups is located and fill their rooms with
flies, mosquitos, ants, pollen, feces, and other
irritants?
Then google groups will know how I feel.

- - - More Radium Rants to follow . . .

just a little 'gnat' buzzing in your ear ~ RHF
Radium - Yes I know that you only the WMA
Digital Audio Compression but . . . 'gnats' it is .

What in the hell does a cell phone have to do with shortwave???

Burr

On Jul 21, 5:27 pm, "Burr" <pitzra...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> What in the hell does a cell phone have to do with shortwave???
>
> Burr

Burr - Do you own a Shortwave Radio and listen to it ?

Have you ever owned a Cellphone ?

If So . . . You are the 'connection' ;-) ~ RHF

Burr - Actually right now 1:25 UTC - I am listening to
Radio Netherland on 9845 kHz from Bonaire Neth.
Antilles and they are currently talking about the
German "Ramba Zamba" Theater Company.
Followed by Dutch War Crimes in the Indonesia
War for Independence at 1:40 UTC

My Radio/Receiver : Icom IC-R75 (R-75) with Kiwa Mods
Using an external RCA 4" Full Range Mini-Speaker [5" Cube]

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Burr <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> What in the hell does a cell phone have to do with shortwave???

Since Radium is an ignorant idiot, he has no clue what group would
be appropriate for his moronic questions.


--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

On Jul 21, 6:55 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Burr <pitzra...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > What in the hell does a cell phone have to do with shortwave???
>
> Since Radium is an ignorant idiot, he has no clue what group would
> be appropriate for his moronic questions.
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
>
> Remove .spam.sux to reply.

JP - Actually Radium may be an http://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/savant_syndrome/
"Island of Genius" unto himself ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_Syndrome

But it does seem that : Rec.Radio.Shortwave and
Rec.Radio.Amateur.Antenna are a bit 'off' for a
Proposal to Change the Digital Cellphone World
kind of question that Radium posed.

While had he stuck to : Sci.Electronics.Basics,
Alt.Cellular.Cingular, and Alt.Internet.Wireless
He would not be hearing {reading} any of this
back chatter now.

If Radium could only understand that :
* Rec.Radio.Shortwave is about Shortwave Radio
and Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) including
Radios, Receivers and related SWL Equipment
like Receiving Antennas and Feed-in-Lines for
the SWLer.
* Rec.Radio.Amateur.Antenna is about Antennas
for Amatueur {Ham} Radio use : Theory, Design
and practical application of Transmitting and
Receiving for the Amateur Radio Service.

Clearly Radium's Re-Inventing the Cellphone
Transmission {Delivery} System is a stretch
beyond the normal focus of these two groups.

Listening to 7505 kHz right now at 2:28 UTC
KTBN - Salt Lake City UT USA
http://www.tbn.org/index.php/2/21.html
Mister Preacher Man preaching 'The Word'

"RHF" <rhf-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) ups.com...
> On Jul 21, 5:27 pm, "Burr" <pitzra...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> What in the hell does a cell phone have to do with shortwave???
>>
>> Burr
>
> Burr - Do you own a Shortwave Radio and listen to it ?
>
> Have you ever owned a Cellphone ?
>
> If So . . . You are the 'connection' ;-) ~ RHF

If you say so!!!