Wireless Network on BT Home Hub

I've recently got a BT home hub and have successfully established a
wireless internet connection on my second PC. I would now like to be
able to share files between both PC and have been completely
unsuccessful. Both PC have a Belkin 802.11g wireless cards. I've
tried using the Wireless Network Wizard dozen of times, but still
noting!! Has anybody got a solution for me?



michaelmckeefry@btinternet.com

On 21/01/2007 in message
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>I've recently got a BT home hub and have successfully established a
>wireless internet connection on my second PC. I would now like to be
>able to share files between both PC and have been completely
>unsuccessful. Both PC have a Belkin 802.11g wireless cards. I've
>tried using the Wireless Network Wizard dozen of times, but still
>noting!! Has anybody got a solution for me?

You need to specifically share folders on each PC, in addition life is a
lot easier if you use the same user name and password on each PC.

Go to Explorer, right click on the folder you want to share, select
properties and then the sharing tab, it's reasonably self explanatory.

If you have issues come back - there are slight differences between XP
Home and XP Pro and also depending on whether or not you use simple file
sharing so let us know the OS.

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Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
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who don't.

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> I've recently got a BT home hub and have successfully established a
> wireless internet connection on my second PC. I would now like to be
> able to share files between both PC and have been completely
> unsuccessful. Both PC have a Belkin 802.11g wireless cards. I've
> tried using the Wireless Network Wizard dozen of times, but still
> noting!! Has anybody got a solution for me?


Firstly bin the HH.

Secondly, make sure:

a) both PC's are in the same workgroup.
b) Which ever drives / dirs / files are set to share on each PC you want to
access.
c) Map a network drive from within Explorer on each PC.
d) You may have to set an allow rule in your PC's firewall (if you run one,
depending on which one it is) to allow contact with a certain IP range...

Tim..

In MsgID<(E-Mail Removed)> on Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:39:15
-0000, in uk.comp.home-networking, 'Tim..' wrote:

>
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> I've recently got a BT home hub and have successfully established a
>> wireless internet connection on my second PC. I would now like to be
>> able to share files between both PC and have been completely
>> unsuccessful. Both PC have a Belkin 802.11g wireless cards. I've
>> tried using the Wireless Network Wizard dozen of times, but still
>> noting!! Has anybody got a solution for me?
>
>
>Firstly bin the HH.
>
>Secondly, make sure:
>
>a) both PC's are in the same workgroup.
>b) Which ever drives / dirs / files are set to share on each PC you want to
>access.
>c) Map a network drive from within Explorer on each PC.


>d) You may have to set an allow rule in your PC's firewall (if you run one,
>depending on which one it is) to allow contact with a certain IP range...

Presonally I've been wary of allowing whole subnets permissions on s/w
firewalls since discovering that spoofed packets (from the WAN side) can
make it through some routers into your LAN with spoofed 'local source'
addresses. I figure if you stick to a list of certain static IPs it's one
more hurdle for anyone trying to 0day their way in with dodgy UDP packets.
It depends on the flexibility/reliability of the 'block' rules on your
internet router. Obviously the static IP thing falls down if you use DHCP,
maybe because you have a huge network or because friends are often linking
their laptops into the loop. My habit is to stay away from DHCP unless
it's for someone else I'd rather a specific IP for each machine.

As for the rest of the OP's question, if you have no reliable wireless
switch then you'll need a peer to peer networking setup with each PC
living on the same subnet - say 192.168.10.0 (255.255.255.0).

Dave J.
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"Dave J." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> In MsgID<(E-Mail Removed)> on Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:39:15
> -0000, in uk.comp.home-networking, 'Tim..' wrote:
>
>>
>><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>> I've recently got a BT home hub and have successfully established a
>>> wireless internet connection on my second PC. I would now like to be
>>> able to share files between both PC and have been completely
>>> unsuccessful. Both PC have a Belkin 802.11g wireless cards. I've
>>> tried using the Wireless Network Wizard dozen of times, but still
>>> noting!! Has anybody got a solution for me?
>>
>>
>>Firstly bin the HH.
>>
>>Secondly, make sure:
>>
>>a) both PC's are in the same workgroup.
>>b) Which ever drives / dirs / files are set to share on each PC you want
>>to
>>access.
>>c) Map a network drive from within Explorer on each PC.
>
>
>>d) You may have to set an allow rule in your PC's firewall (if you run
>>one,
>>depending on which one it is) to allow contact with a certain IP range...
>
> Presonally I've been wary of allowing whole subnets permissions on s/w
> firewalls since discovering that spoofed packets (from the WAN side) can
> make it through some routers into your LAN with spoofed 'local source'
> addresses. I figure if you stick to a list of certain static IPs it's one
> more hurdle for anyone trying to 0day their way in with dodgy UDP packets.
> It depends on the flexibility/reliability of the 'block' rules on your
> internet router. Obviously the static IP thing falls down if you use DHCP,
> maybe because you have a huge network or because friends are often linking
> their laptops into the loop. My habit is to stay away from DHCP unless
> it's for someone else I'd rather a specific IP for each machine.
>


Sorry I should have made it clear in my first post that I usually have DCHP
turned ON, BUT assign static IP's to my fixed PC's and only leave the
laptop on AUTO, as I tend to roam with it, and also friends call by and use
my network.

Tim..

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> I've recently got a BT home hub and have successfully established a
> wireless internet connection on my second PC. I would now like to be
> able to share files between both PC and have been completely
> unsuccessful. Both PC have a Belkin 802.11g wireless cards. I've
> tried using the Wireless Network Wizard dozen of times, but still
> nothing!! Has anybody got a solution for me?


Thanks to all that have posted a reply to my original message, sorry -
i should have given more information.

Prior to getting my BT home Hub i had a Belkin wireless router. I
succesfully set up my wireless network with the ability to share files
and printer. I've got all the necessary folders shared, firewall
exceptions turned on, both computers in the same workgroup etc etc but
unfortunately still nothing!! I can ping from 1 PC to the other, but
not vise versa. The message i get when i try to map the network drive
is the standard 'You do not hace sufficient permissions......Please
contact your system administrator....'

I'm begining to suspect that the BT Home Hub is not an actual router.
Again any suggestions?

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>> I've recently got a BT home hub and have successfully established a
>> wireless internet connection on my second PC. I would now like to be
>> able to share files between both PC and have been completely
>> unsuccessful. Both PC have a Belkin 802.11g wireless cards. I've
>> tried using the Wireless Network Wizard dozen of times, but still
>> nothing!! Has anybody got a solution for me?
>
>
> Thanks to all that have posted a reply to my original message, sorry -
> i should have given more information.
>
> Prior to getting my BT home Hub i had a Belkin wireless router. I
> succesfully set up my wireless network with the ability to share files
> and printer. I've got all the necessary folders shared, firewall
> exceptions turned on, both computers in the same workgroup etc etc but
> unfortunately still nothing!! I can ping from 1 PC to the other, but
> not vise versa. The message i get when i try to map the network drive
> is the standard 'You do not hace sufficient permissions......Please
> contact your system administrator....'
>
> I'm begining to suspect that the BT Home Hub is not an actual router.
> Again any suggestions?

If no software configuration has changed with respect to the PC's / Laptops
etc, and manually setting IP's has no effect...you know what to do.

The mind boggles over how fantastically crap the HH actually is..

Tim..

On 25 Jan 2007 10:10:54 -0800, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

> I can ping from 1 PC to the other, but
>not vise versa.

that would be a firewall somewhere.

>The message i get when i try to map the network drive
>is the standard 'You do not hace sufficient permissions......Please
>contact your system administrator....'

once you can ping if the error persists you may need to set up the
Guest account or use the same username / password on both ends.

Phil

In MsgID<(E-Mail Removed) roups.com> on 25 Jan
2007 10:10:54 -0800, in uk.comp.home-networking,
'(E-Mail Removed)' wrote:

>I'm begining to suspect that the BT Home Hub is not an actual router.
>Again any suggestions?

If you can ping in one direction but not the other then kill any firewalls
(whilst disconnected from the 'net) until you can ping in both directions.
If you'd like something to telnet to, in order to further prove that TCP
is fine and dandy in both directions, then maybe temporarily instal
argosoft's free mail relay (tiny little program) from
http://www.argosoft.com/files/apps/agsmail.exe

Once installed, 'telnet 127.0.0.1 25' will prove it works locally, then
'telnet N.N.N.N 25', where N.N.N.N is the IP it's installed at, from the
other machine to test the hub.

As for the HH not being an actual router, all you need to share files
between machines on the same subnet is a hub (though more commonly a
switch, AKA the LAN side of most 'router's - commercial wired ones are
usually two-port routers, one port going internally to a four or five port
switch for your LAN and the other going 'to the internet')

So, even if the 'home hub' was only what it say on the tin, it should
allow file sharing within a subnet.

Dave J.
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inflicted at stupendous cost for negligible reward.
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On 26 Jan, 14:00, Dave J. <requ...@freeuk.com> wrote:
> In MsgID<1169748654.674099.318...@v33g2000cwv.googleg roups.com> on 25 Jan
> 2007 10:10:54 -0800, in uk.comp.home-networking,
>
> 'michaelmckee...@btinternet.com' wrote:
> >I'm begining to suspect that the BT Home Hub is not an actual router.
> >Again any suggestions?
>
> If you can ping in one direction but not the other then kill any firewalls
> (whilst disconnected from the 'net) until you can ping in both directions.
> If you'd like something to telnet to, in order to further prove that TCP
> is fine and dandy in both directions, then maybe temporarily instal
> argosoft's free mail relay (tiny little program) fromhttp://www.argosoft.com/files/apps/agsmail.exe
>
> Once installed, 'telnet 127.0.0.1 25' will prove it works locally, then
> 'telnet N.N.N.N 25', where N.N.N.N is the IP it's installed at, from the
> other machine to test the hub.
>
> As for the HH not being an actual router, all you need to share files
> between machines on the same subnet is a hub (though more commonly a
> switch, AKA the LAN side of most 'router's - commercial wired ones are
> usually two-port routers, one port going internally to a four or five port
> switch for your LAN and the other going 'to the internet')
>
> So, even if the 'home hub' was only what it say on the tin, it should
> allow file sharing within a subnet.
>
> Dave J.
> --
> Support a referendum on UK ID cards before they are
> inflicted at stupendous cost for negligible reward.http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/IDreferendum/

Thanks to all who offered thier help.

Just sorted it out by
1. Turning off all firewalls.
2. Re-running Wireless Network Setup Wizard.
3. Re-running Network Wizard.
4. Turning on Firewalls 1 by 1
5. Discovered a firewall rule on 1 PC which denied file sharing -
don't know how it got there???

Thanks again to Jeff, Tim, Dave & Jim