Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL

I think I found one place where the router isn't acting as documented.
If I read page 74 of the WRT54G owners manual correctly
( http://media-server.amazon.com/media...L000000300.pdf ),
the "Connection" should be reported as "Disconnected" in the morning aft
the modem has been powered down for a long period of time (hours).

But, I remember testing this out intuitively and the router clearly said it
was "connected" when it was certainly not connected. Even the OLD IP
ADDRESS showed up on this router page when I checked yesterday and this
morning. In a way, it seems that the router is confused as it "thinks" it's
connected and it "thinks" it has an IP address ... but it is neither
connected nor does it have an IP address.

Of course, rebooting the router clears all this confusion up ... but, I had
tried hitting the "disconnect" and then "reconnect" button on the router
web page but it didn't work this morning when I tested it.

Here, specifically, is what "troubleshooting" page 74 of the Linksys WRT54G
owners manual says about this:

14. My DSL serviceÿs PPPoE is always disconnecting.
PPPoE is not actually a dedicated or always-on connection. The DSL ISP can
disconnect the service after a period of inactivity, just like a normal
phone dialup connection to the Internet. There is a setup option to ´keep
alive¡ the connection. This may not always work, so you may need to
re-establish connection periodically.
A. To connect to the Router, go to the web browser,
and enter http://192.168.1.1 or the IP address of the Router.
B. Enter the password, if asked.
C. On the Setup screen, select the option Keep Alive, and set the Redial
Period option at 20 (seconds).
D. Click the Apply button.
E. Click the Status tab, and click the Connect button.
F. You may see the login status display as Connecting. Press the F5 key to
refresh the screen, until you see the login status display as Connected.
G. Click the Apply button to continue.
If the connection is lost again, follow steps E to G to re-establish
connection.

If I interpret this troubleshooting help correctly, after I've powered down
my modem overnight, in the morning the router should not be listing the old
IP address as "connected". The router should be listing no ip address and
it should indicate it's "disconnected".

Yes?


Aluxe

"Aluxe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I think I found one place where the router isn't acting as documented.
> If I read page 74 of the WRT54G owners manual correctly
> ( http://media-server.amazon.com/media...L000000300.pdf ),
> the "Connection" should be reported as "Disconnected" in the morning aft
> the modem has been powered down for a long period of time (hours).
>
> But, I remember testing this out intuitively and the router clearly said
it
> was "connected" when it was certainly not connected. Even the OLD IP
> ADDRESS showed up on this router page when I checked yesterday and this
> morning. In a way, it seems that the router is confused as it "thinks"
it's
> connected and it "thinks" it has an IP address ... but it is neither
> connected nor does it have an IP address.
>
> Of course, rebooting the router clears all this confusion up ... but, I
had
> tried hitting the "disconnect" and then "reconnect" button on the router
> web page but it didn't work this morning when I tested it.
>
> Here, specifically, is what "troubleshooting" page 74 of the Linksys
WRT54G
> owners manual says about this:
>
> 14. My DSL serviceÿs PPPoE is always disconnecting.
> PPPoE is not actually a dedicated or always-on connection. The DSL ISP can
> disconnect the service after a period of inactivity, just like a normal
> phone dialup connection to the Internet. There is a setup option to ´keep
> alive¡ the connection. This may not always work, so you may need to
> re-establish connection periodically.
> A. To connect to the Router, go to the web browser,
> and enter http://192.168.1.1 or the IP address of the Router.
> B. Enter the password, if asked.
> C. On the Setup screen, select the option Keep Alive, and set the Redial
> Period option at 20 (seconds).
> D. Click the Apply button.
> E. Click the Status tab, and click the Connect button.
> F. You may see the login status display as Connecting. Press the F5 key to
> refresh the screen, until you see the login status display as Connected.
> G. Click the Apply button to continue.
> If the connection is lost again, follow steps E to G to re-establish
> connection.
>
> If I interpret this troubleshooting help correctly, after I've powered
down
> my modem overnight, in the morning the router should not be listing the
old
> IP address as "connected". The router should be listing no ip address and
> it should indicate it's "disconnected".
>
> Yes?

Yes. But did you not select the always on option during some of your
attempts to have your IP change. That may be telling the router to think it
is connected when it is not.

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:17:41 -0800, Dana wrote:
>> If I interpret this troubleshooting help correctly,
>> after I've powered down my modem overnight, in the morning
>> the router should not be listing the old IP address as "connected".
>> The router should be listing no ip address and it should indicate '
>> it's "disconnected".

> Yes. But did you not select the always on option during some of your
> attempts to have your IP change. That may be telling the router to think it
> is connected when it is not.

I think this is the fundamental router problem (most likely a bug).
I think the router "thinks" it is connected when, in fact, it hasn't been
connected for (at least 4) hours because the modem has been powered off.
Because the router "thinks" it's connected, it sees no need to connect
again to obtain a different IP address, even if I wait for an hour or more
after powering up the modem. This would seem, to me, to be a router bug.

The option I was using earlier in the time span of this thread was:
Keep Alive: Redial Period = 30 sec

But, for the past few days, I followed the suggestion to set:
Connect on Demand: Max Idle Time = 5 min

I'm assuming that a "demand" is an Opera browser request to
"www.google.com" or the "ipconfig /relase" + "ipconfig /renew" sequence or
a "ping www.google.com", etc.

QUESTION FOR FIREWALL USERS:
If you power down your modem long enough for your ISP to relinquish your
DHCP IP address, when you power up your modem in the morning, does your
router fail to connect back to the ISP?

I suspect this inability to connect is a bona-fide bug in the Linksys
WRT54G router. It would be interesting to see if other routers have the
same bug.

"Aluxe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:17:41 -0800, Dana wrote:
>>> If I interpret this troubleshooting help correctly,
>>> after I've powered down my modem overnight, in the morning
>>> the router should not be listing the old IP address as "connected".
>>> The router should be listing no ip address and it should indicate '
>>> it's "disconnected".
>
>> Yes. But did you not select the always on option during some of your
>> attempts to have your IP change. That may be telling the router to think
>> it
>> is connected when it is not.
>
> I think this is the fundamental router problem (most likely a bug).
> I think the router "thinks" it is connected when, in fact, it hasn't been
> connected for (at least 4) hours because the modem has been powered off.
> Because the router "thinks" it's connected, it sees no need to connect
> again to obtain a different IP address, even if I wait for an hour or more
> after powering up the modem. This would seem, to me, to be a router bug.

You flat-out don't know what you are talking about here.

>
> The option I was using earlier in the time span of this thread was:
> Keep Alive: Redial Period = 30 sec
>
> But, for the past few days, I followed the suggestion to set:
> Connect on Demand: Max Idle Time = 5 min
>
> I'm assuming that a "demand" is an Opera browser request to
> "www.google.com" or the "ipconfig /relase" + "ipconfig /renew" sequence or
> a "ping www.google.com", etc.
>
> QUESTION FOR FIREWALL USERS:
> If you power down your modem long enough for your ISP to relinquish your
> DHCP IP address, when you power up your modem in the morning, does your
> router fail to connect back to the ISP?

No

It's most likely that the IP is assigned to the modem's MAC and is
provisioned to your account with the ISP. You can try, try and try some
more to change the IP, that you cannot do. I don't know about the ISP you
are using, but if that IP from the ISP is provisioned to the modem's MAC and
is linked to your account with the ISP, that IP is NOT changing, unless you
call them to have the ISP change it or you don't pay the bill and leave it
cut off for awhile and then and only then based on the two conditions will
that IP be changed.

>
> I suspect this inability to connect is a bona-fide bug in the Linksys
> WRT54G router. It would be interesting to see if other routers have the
> same bug.

Again, you flat-out don't know what you're talking about.

You can lead a horse to water, but I guess in some cases, the horse has to
be clubbed and kicked *head* to make the horse drink. <g>

Duane

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:38:50 GMT, Duane Arnold wrote:
>> I think this is the fundamental router problem (most likely a bug).
>> I think the router "thinks" it is connected when, in fact, it hasn't been
>> connected for (at least 4) hours because the modem has been powered off.
> You flat-out don't know what you are talking about here.

Hi Duane,
I never said I did. That's why I ask you experts for help so that once the
ISP gives up on an IP address, that the router would then dial in asking
for a new one (without resorting to rebooting the router).


> It's most likely that the IP is assigned to the modem's MAC and is
> provisioned to your account with the ISP. You can try, try and try some
> more to change the IP, that you cannot do.

Hi Duane,
I'm wondering if you understand what I said? I get a new IP address any
time I want. All I have to do is wait about 4 hours with the modem turned
off and reboot the router after I turn on the modem. So, why do you say I
can't CHANGE the IP address? Am I misunderstanding you or are you
misundertanding me? Please clarify.

> I don't know about the ISP you are using, but if that IP from the
> ISP is provisioned to the modem's MAC and is linked to your account
> with the ISP, that IP is NOT changing, unless you call them to have
> the ISP change it or you don't pay the bill and leave it
> cut off for awhile and then and only then based on the two
> conditions will that IP be changed.

Hi Duane,
Again, I fail to understand you or you fail to understand me.
With DHCP you get a different IP address every time I leave the modem off
overnight and reboot both the modem and router in the morning. So, why do
you insist on saying I have to not pay my bill in order to get a new IP
address. Again, am I misunderstanding you or are you misunderstanding me.
Please clarify.

>> I suspect this inability to connect is a bona-fide bug in the Linksys
>> WRT54G router. It would be interesting to see if other routers have the
>> same bug.
> Again, you flat-out don't know what you're talking about.
> You can lead a horse to water, but I guess in some cases, the horse has to
> be clubbed and kicked *head* to make the horse drink.

Hi Duane,
If I understand you correctly (and you'll need to clarify if I don't), you
say I can't change my IP address (assuming I pay my bill). But, I can
easily change my IP address. I do it almost every day (see explanations in
this thread ... there are probably fifty of them saying so). Everyone else
understood me ... but you ... or ... am I misunderstanding you? Please
clarify.

"Aluxe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:38:50 GMT, Duane Arnold wrote:
>>> I think this is the fundamental router problem (most likely a bug).
>>> I think the router "thinks" it is connected when, in fact, it hasn't
>>> been
>>> connected for (at least 4) hours because the modem has been powered off.
>> You flat-out don't know what you are talking about here.
>
> Hi Duane,
> I never said I did. That's why I ask you experts for help so that once the
> ISP gives up on an IP address, that the router would then dial in asking
> for a new one (without resorting to rebooting the router).
>
>
>> It's most likely that the IP is assigned to the modem's MAC and is
>> provisioned to your account with the ISP. You can try, try and try some
>> more to change the IP, that you cannot do.
>
> Hi Duane,
> I'm wondering if you understand what I said? I get a new IP address any
> time I want. All I have to do is wait about 4 hours with the modem turned
> off and reboot the router after I turn on the modem. So, why do you say I
> can't CHANGE the IP address? Am I misunderstanding you or are you
> misundertanding me? Please clarify.
>
>> I don't know about the ISP you are using, but if that IP from the
>> ISP is provisioned to the modem's MAC and is linked to your account
>> with the ISP, that IP is NOT changing, unless you call them to have
>> the ISP change it or you don't pay the bill and leave it
>> cut off for awhile and then and only then based on the two
>> conditions will that IP be changed.
>
> Hi Duane,
> Again, I fail to understand you or you fail to understand me.
> With DHCP you get a different IP address every time I leave the modem off
> overnight and reboot both the modem and router in the morning. So, why do
> you insist on saying I have to not pay my bill in order to get a new IP
> address. Again, am I misunderstanding you or are you misunderstanding me.
> Please clarify.
>

I am not reading this whole thread - every posts, and I am not reading every
post you have made in all of this. Like I said, IF the IP is provisioned to
your modem's MAC and to the MAC of the first device behind the modem such as
a router with both linked to an ISP account like my ISP did, then that IP is
not changing. If that's not the case, then that is not the case.


T54G router. It would be interesting to see if other routers have the
>>> same bug.
>> Again, you flat-out don't know what you're talking about.
>> You can lead a horse to water, but I guess in some cases, the horse has
>> to
>> be clubbed and kicked *head* to make the horse drink.

And I'll bet money that the 54G doesn't have a bug.

>
> Hi Duane,
> If I understand you correctly (and you'll need to clarify if I don't), you
> say I can't change my IP address (assuming I pay my bill). But, I can
> easily change my IP address. I do it almost every day (see explanations in
> this thread ... there are probably fifty of them saying so). Everyone else
> understood me ... but you ... or ... am I misunderstanding you? Please
> clarify.

Some IP's don't allow this, and maybe, it's that you don't have a
broadband connection. Like I said, I am not reading this entire thread
with everything being posted. A person would have to be insane to do it, but
there are those that will do just that.

Duane

"Duane Arnold" <Yeah-Don't-bother-@that's-right.BET> wrote in
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>
> Again, you flat-out don't know what you're talking about.
>

Duane: Watch your language or I'll have to bitch-slap you from one end of
the Net to the other.

Yo!

"Yohann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Duane Arnold" <Yeah-Don't-bother-@that's-right.BET> wrote in
> news:uDJ_g.13318$(E-Mail Removed) link.net:
>
>
>>
>> Again, you flat-out don't know what you're talking about.
>>
>
> Duane: Watch your language or I'll have to bitch-slap you from one end of
> the Net to the other.
>
> Yo!

You should have bitch-slapped your crazy ass mama from one end of the that
nasty alley to the other end of it, where your crazy ass was born, for
having you, that's where some bitch-slapping belongs.

Yo-howl, your crazy ass back to the alley and find her, don't blame me.

In article <qiQ_g.10949$(E-Mail Removed) .net>,
"Duane Arnold" <Yeah-Don't-bother-@that's-right.BET> wrote:

> Some IP's don't allow this, and maybe, it's that you don't have a
> broadband connection. Like I said, I am not reading this entire thread
> with everything being posted. A person would have to be insane to do it, but
> there are those that will do just that.

She's connecting to her IPS via PPPoE, which is kind of broadband
dialup, like PPP (in fact, if you connect from Linux, you can use the
same scripts). The ISP hands out IP addresses dynamically. Mostly, if
the ISP is big enough, you can get a different address just by
disconnecting and reconnecting (just keep doing it 'til you're happy
with the address you get). A smaller ISP will have a more limited range
of addresses to hand out. Aluxe is with Pacific Bell, it looks like, and
I would think that they're a pretty big company.

Her router hands out IP addresses (in the "private" range) to her LAN
computer(s) via DHCP. That's the only place that DHCP comes into this
picture.

It's not that she doesn't know what she's talking about, it's that she's
a trifle confused and very obsessed with a non-issue. There's no way you
can be anonymous without using the anonymous tools out there. Also, her
writing style is so distinct, it wouldn't matter if she posted as Fred
Bezak from Cotse or Altopia: eventually, someone would recognize her.
--
W. Oates
Teal'c: He is concealing something.
O'Neil: Like what?
Teal'c: I am unsure, he is concealing it.

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:44:56 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:
> It's not that she doesn't know what she's talking about, it's that she's
> a trifle confused and very obsessed with a non-issue.

Hi Warren Oates,

Again, thank you for your kind response. The question is posed to a group
of experts on routers and firewalls how to get a firewalled router to
connect to a PPPoE ISP after a well defined circumstance occurs - namely,
the modem is turned on after a 4-hour period where it was off.

If that question sounds "confused" to you, then it must be confusing to
others (perhaps that's why there is so much traffic on this one thread) so
I will restate the question specifically below.

QUESTION TO FIREWALL ROUTER NETWORK EXPERTS ONLY:
- Given PPPoE and WinXP and the Linksys WRT54G router ...
- If you turn off the modem to Pacific Bell for four hours ...
- Which always results in the ISP dropping the assigned IP address ...
- Wouldn't you expect the Linksys router to reconnect to the ISP on demand?