Questions about wardriving

The time: the future within 3-5 years...
The place: the USA under a Zionist/Communist/Fascist state...
The situation: America has fallen. The Internet is dead, Internet2 is
up.

If there is one thing I've learned: a lack of
communication/information can KILL you.

Disclaimer: Techniqually speaking war driving/stealing bandwidth is
illeagal, but honestly, when the darkness comes, breaking the law will
be the LEAST of my worries.

I got a Dell X200 (800Mhz, 640MB, 40GB, running Windows 2000) cheap..
I added a ORiNOCO 8470-WD 801.11b/g card. NetStumbler works fine. I
was trying to use something like AirSnort. Never could get it to work.
But no matter what I tried, I had to uninstall the ORiNOCO utilities.
Ok, so I could break the encryption... then what??? Would I have to
reinstall the ORiNOCO software to do the actual connection???

Questions: I want to stay within Win2000. I don't care for Linux
(can't find anyone smart enough to help me with Linux). I'm too cheap
to buy XP. Is there anyway for me to do this??? What software would
allow me to hack WEP/WPA encryption within Win2000??? Is there anyway
to run the ORiNOCO 8470-WD without the ORiNOCO software??? I know XP
has wifi built in, but is there anyway to add this to Win2000???

Thanks in advance,
GOD HELP US ALL.
Scott



RangerScott

RangerScott wrote:
> The time: the future within 3-5 years...
> The place: the USA under a Zionist/Communist/Fascist state...
> The situation: America has fallen. The Internet is dead, Internet2 is
> up.

this sounds like a sci fi short story. "20 seconds into the future" or
something like that. MmmmmmAx .... Head..room.

> I got a Dell X200 (800Mhz, 640MB, 40GB, running Windows 2000) cheap..
> I added a ORiNOCO 8470-WD 801.11b/g card. NetStumbler works fine. I
> was trying to use something like AirSnort. Never could get it to work.

some chip sets won't work with tools like this under Windows.
Airlink101 with an Atheros radio normally supports promiscuous modes
needed for packet captures and works *EXTREMELY* well in FreeBSD.

> But no matter what I tried, I had to uninstall the ORiNOCO utilities.

yeah, 3rd party "network for you" stuff on windows typically sucks worse
than the "let windows manage my connection" built-in (which
interestingly enough works moderately well in XP, not sure about 2k).
The most appalling one so far is the Linksys "helper" app that you HAVE
to use if you want speedboost. Maybe it's ok if you only ever connect
to ONE network but how many people with laptops don't connect to SEVERAL
of them ALL of the time?

> Questions: I want to stay within Win2000.

why?

> I don't care for Linux (can't find anyone smart enough to help me
> with Linux).

maybe you need to evolve from larval stage and learn something about
FreeBSD - it's *MUCH* better than Linux at WiFi. I'm using a FreeBSD
box as a wifi access point at the moment (and getting >25Mbits of REAL
throughput). FBSD's atheros driver kicks some serious ass. And my
laptop has FBSD on it also (I use it for $work all the time - FBSD and
open source tools run circles around equivalent windows tools for
networking and wifi stuff).

> I'm too cheap to buy XP.

understandable. FreeBSD is FREE, though. You could always dual boot it
if you have an extra partition to format as UFS.

"RangerScott" <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:

>The time: the future within 3-5 years...
>The place: the USA under a Zionist/Communist/Fascist state...

Ahem. I'm Jewish and somewhat of a Zionist. Is there a problem?

>The situation: America has fallen. The Internet is dead, Internet2 is
>up.

Not a problem. I'm sure you'll just love being under Arab domination.

>If there is one thing I've learned: a lack of
>communication/information can KILL you.

Yep. Data is usually free, but you have to work for information. I
kinda prefer to get data and grind out my own "information". When I
deal with the medical profession, the lack of accurate information can
really get me killed.

>Disclaimer: Techniqually speaking war driving/stealing bandwidth is
>illeagal, but honestly, when the darkness comes, breaking the law will
>be the LEAST of my worries.

Right. The end of civilization, as you apparently enjoy it, is
coming. Everything you do or think will be a crime. Law enforcement
will be randomized. Your money will be worthless. The US will
balkanize into hundreds of fortified city states. Those not part of a
gang will become chronic victims.

Just one problem... I've heard it all before. In the 40's it was the
totalitarian dictators that were going to drag us back to barbarism.
In the 50's it was the Red Scare. In the early 60's, it was mutually
assured destruction and the atomic bomb. In the late 60's and early
70's, it was ecological disaster and resource exhaustion. In the late
70's and early 80's, it was inflation and global financial meltdown.
In the 90's, it was Y2K. These days, it's global warming and illegal
immigrants. Take a number and wait your turn for doomsday.

>I got a Dell X200 (800Mhz, 640MB, 40GB, running Windows 2000) cheap..

Nice.

>I added a ORiNOCO 8470-WD 801.11b/g card. NetStumbler works fine. I
>was trying to use something like AirSnort. Never could get it to work.

Any particular Windoze application? Wepcrack perhaps? AirSnort is
currently for Linux only.

> But no matter what I tried, I had to uninstall the ORiNOCO utilities.

Yep. For Orinoco, Netstubler 0.4 talks directly to the card. The
driver gets in the way. Netstumbler does a nice job of disarming the
NDIS drivers (and disarming XP Wireless Zero Config service), but
other applications aren't so graceful. I think (not sure) you can
just stop the Proxim/Orinoco config program sitting in the system tray
or stop whatever service it's running, and get the same effect without
uninstallation. I don't have an easy way to test it here.

>Ok, so I could break the encryption... then what??? Would I have to
>reinstall the ORiNOCO software to do the actual connection???

Try disabling the driver and/or services and see if that helps.

>Questions: I want to stay within Win2000. I don't care for Linux
>(can't find anyone smart enough to help me with Linux).

I'm smart, Jewish, and helpful. What you want is a Linux "LiveCD"
that you boot on your Dell x200. See:
http://www.remote-exploit.org/index.php/BackTrack
BackTrack (and Security Auditor) have all the tools you ever wanted to
attack a wireless access point.

>I'm too cheap to buy XP.

You don't need XP. W2K is good enough. It's not as artistic as XP
and doesn't have any of the recovery tools, but it's fairly close to
being identical to XP.

>Is there anyway for me to do this??? What software would
>allow me to hack WEP/WPA encryption within Win2000???

Wepcrack:
http://wepcrack.sourceforge.net/
http://www.wirelessdefence.org/Conte...PCrackMain.htm
CoWPAtty:

http://www.churchofwifi.org/default....lay.asp?PID=95
http://www.wirelessdefence.org/Conte...WPAttyMain.htm
Need more?

>Is there anyway
>to run the ORiNOCO 8470-WD without the ORiNOCO software??? I know XP
>has wifi built in, but is there anyway to add this to Win2000???

XP has Wireless Zero Config built in, plus its collection of drivers.
That will certainly simplify installations, but is not a guarantee
that your card will work. The problem is that some programs want to
talk directly to the card and not the driver. The programs ability to
start and stop the driver is your problem. You'll have the same
problem with XP.

>Thanks in advance,
>GOD HELP US ALL.

God helps those that help themselves. Learn a little about what
you're dealing with (wireless, Linux, politics) and you won't need a
god to bail you out.

>Scott

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Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:

>Wepcrack:
> http://wepcrack.sourceforge.net/
> http://www.wirelessdefence.org/Conte...PCrackMain.htm
>CoWPAtty:
>
>http://www.churchofwifi.org/default....lay.asp?PID=95
> http://www.wirelessdefence.org/Conte...WPAttyMain.htm
>Need more?

One more.
Aircrack-ng:
http://www.wirelessdefence.org/Conte...ng_WinMain.htm
http://www.aircrack-ng.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:43:48 -0700, RangerScott wrote:

> The time: the future within 3-5 years...
> The place: the USA under a Zionist/Communist/Fascist state...
> The situation: America has fallen. The Internet is dead, Internet2 is
> up.
>
> If there is one thing I've learned: a lack of
> communication/information can KILL you.
>
> Disclaimer: Techniqually speaking war driving

No, war driving is not illegal. AFAIK, there's no law against looking for
open WiFi ports. There may be some grey area when it comes to USING said
ports, but just locating them is not a crime.


<snip>

>
> Thanks in advance,
> GOD HELP US ALL.

I'll do my best.

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kp

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:26:21 GMT, Big Bad Bob
<BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>RangerScott wrote:
>> The time: the future within 3-5 years...
>> The place: the USA under a Zionist/Communist/Fascist state...
>> The situation: America has fallen. The Internet is dead, Internet2 is
>> up.
>
>this sounds like a sci fi short story. "20 seconds into the future" or
>something like that. MmmmmmAx .... Head..room.
>
>> I got a Dell X200 (800Mhz, 640MB, 40GB, running Windows 2000) cheap..
>> I added a ORiNOCO 8470-WD 801.11b/g card. NetStumbler works fine. I
>> was trying to use something like AirSnort. Never could get it to work.
>
>some chip sets won't work with tools like this under Windows.
>Airlink101 with an Atheros radio normally supports promiscuous modes
>needed for packet captures and works *EXTREMELY* well in FreeBSD.
>
>> But no matter what I tried, I had to uninstall the ORiNOCO utilities.
>
>yeah, 3rd party "network for you" stuff on windows typically sucks worse
>than the "let windows manage my connection" built-in (which
>interestingly enough works moderately well in XP, not sure about 2k).
>The most appalling one so far is the Linksys "helper" app that you HAVE
>to use if you want speedboost. Maybe it's ok if you only ever connect
>to ONE network but how many people with laptops don't connect to SEVERAL
>of them ALL of the time?
>
>> Questions: I want to stay within Win2000.
>
>why?
>
>> I don't care for Linux (can't find anyone smart enough to help me
>> with Linux).
>
>maybe you need to evolve from larval stage and learn something about
>FreeBSD - it's *MUCH* better than Linux at WiFi. I'm using a FreeBSD
>box as a wifi access point at the moment (and getting >25Mbits of REAL
>throughput). FBSD's atheros driver kicks some serious ass. And my
>laptop has FBSD on it also (I use it for $work all the time - FBSD and
>open source tools run circles around equivalent windows tools for
>networking and wifi stuff).
>
>> I'm too cheap to buy XP.
>
>understandable. FreeBSD is FREE, though. You could always dual boot it
>if you have an extra partition to format as UFS.

Yeah and now that Linux *finally* supports Flash 9 it isn't
~completely~ worthless as a desktop environment!

LOL

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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:53:17 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>"RangerScott" <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:
>
>>The time: the future within 3-5 years...
>>The place: the USA under a Zionist/Communist/Fascist state...
>
>Ahem. I'm Jewish and somewhat of a Zionist. Is there a problem?
>
>>The situation: America has fallen. The Internet is dead, Internet2 is
>>up.
>
>Not a problem. I'm sure you'll just love being under Arab domination.
>
>>If there is one thing I've learned: a lack of
>>communication/information can KILL you.
>
>Yep. Data is usually free, but you have to work for information. I
>kinda prefer to get data and grind out my own "information". When I
>deal with the medical profession, the lack of accurate information can
>really get me killed.
>
>>Disclaimer: Techniqually speaking war driving/stealing bandwidth is
>>illeagal, but honestly, when the darkness comes, breaking the law will
>>be the LEAST of my worries.
>
>Right. The end of civilization, as you apparently enjoy it, is
>coming. Everything you do or think will be a crime. Law enforcement
>will be randomized. Your money will be worthless. The US will
>balkanize into hundreds of fortified city states. Those not part of a
>gang will become chronic victims.
>
>Just one problem... I've heard it all before. In the 40's it was the
>totalitarian dictators that were going to drag us back to barbarism.
>In the 50's it was the Red Scare. In the early 60's, it was mutually
>assured destruction and the atomic bomb. In the late 60's and early
>70's, it was ecological disaster and resource exhaustion. In the late
>70's and early 80's, it was inflation and global financial meltdown.
>In the 90's, it was Y2K. These days, it's global warming and illegal
>immigrants. Take a number and wait your turn for doomsday.


Eeegggxactly. "The darkness" should be the least of his worries... he
should be worrying about how to pay that shrink that he so desperately
needs. ;-)

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> Yeah and now that Linux *finally* supports Flash 9 it isn't
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Spoken as though Flash isn't one of the most worthless, bandwidth
hogging apps ever created...

Rainman

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PerfectReign <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:

>No, war driving is not illegal. AFAIK, there's no law against looking for
>open WiFi ports. There may be some grey area when it comes to USING said
>ports, but just locating them is not a crime.

Instant lawyer, just add Google.

Some laws refer to "accessing" instead of "using" which I believe
covers any form of connection including port scanning.

In Florida, accessing someone else's network without permission is a
"third degree felony".
| http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/ind...06.HTM&Title=-
There are other states with similar laws. The term "accessing"
apparently includes probing, password cracking, door rattling, and
scripted exploits. I'm not sure about sniffing. Probably not.

The Florida law has a 10 level felony scoring system:
| http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...29_rtf&invol=1
Third Degree Felony is punishable by a term of imprisonment
not to exceed 5 years and a fine not to exceed $5,000.00.
Court and attorney fees not included.

The OP is in Virginia. Yep, Virginia has such a law.
| http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3604/lib...ginia.law.html
| http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3604/lib...ginia.law.full
See section on:
s 18.2-152.4. COMPUTER trespass.
A person is "without authority" when he has no right or
permission of the owner to use a COMPUTER, or, he uses a
COMPUTER in a manner exceeding such right or permission.

I wonder how one would prove they have the owners permission. In the
courts, documentation is everything. I should start issueing wireless
access licenses for my neighborhood wireless network.

Realistically, no district attorney is going to waste the tax dollars
it would take to prosecute someone for wireless port scanning,
especially when the typical jury would find it difficult to understand
the nature of the "crime", and a conviction would be a crap shoot.

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Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> PerfectReign <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:
>

[Disclaimer: Techniqually speaking war driving/stealing bandwidth is
illeagal, but honestly, when the darkness comes, breaking the law will
be the LEAST of my worries.]

> >No, war driving is not illegal. AFAIK, there's no law against looking for
> >open WiFi ports. There may be some grey area when it comes to USING said
> >ports, but just locating them is not a crime.
>
> Instant lawyer, just add Google.
>
> Some laws refer to "accessing" instead of "using" which I believe
> covers any form of connection including port scanning.

<snip>

> The OP is in Virginia. Yep, Virginia has such a law.
> | http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3604/lib...ginia.law.html
> | http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3604/lib...ginia.law.full
> See section on:
> s 18.2-152.4. COMPUTER trespass.
> A person is "without authority" when he has no right or
> permission of the owner to use a COMPUTER, or, he uses a
> COMPUTER in a manner exceeding such right or permission.

You should note that this refers to using someone else's COMPUTER.