Tiscali BB with Static IP

"Frederick Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Any sensible suggestions would be welcome

Get a proper ISP.
Then they might just answer the phone when you call them.






John

"Frederick Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi there.... has anyone had any problems connecting to a Tiscali service
> with a static IP using a DLink router ?
>
> The information provided is a bit flakey - for example I had to phone tech
> support and ask for the IP address - and they dont seem to want to answer
> the phone at all this evening !
>
> Basically, I dont know if I need a completely different set of router
> settings because I am not a DHCP client, ( I am using a brand new
> DSL-G-624T ) but I also suspect that the IP address provided may not be
> entirely correct - if I ping it from another machine with a internet
> connection, it just goes 3 hops in to the network and then dies. Could
> somebody try a traceroute on 80.45.11.147 and see what they think ?

It doesn't usually make any difference to the router if the IP address
issued by the ISP is static. The router uses the same DHCP technique to get
its IP address, it's just that the ISP always gives out the the same one.

It surprises me that Tiscali gives static IP addresses - but others may
confirm that the are available.

When you connect, what IP address does the router show for the ADSL
connection? Do you get a sensible connection to the outside world?

I'm not familiar with the D-Link router, but some routers will not reply to
pings from the outside unless the facility is explicitly enabled - even
then, there may be an access control list which determines from which IP
addresses such requests will be honoured.

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Graham

Hi there.... has anyone had any problems connecting to a Tiscali service
with a static IP using a DLink router ?

The information provided is a bit flakey - for example I had to phone tech
support and ask for the IP address - and they dont seem to want to answer
the phone at all this evening !

Basically, I dont know if I need a completely different set of router
settings because I am not a DHCP client, ( I am using a brand new
DSL-G-624T ) but I also suspect that the IP address provided may not be
entirely correct - if I ping it from another machine with a internet
connection, it just goes 3 hops in to the network and then dies. Could
somebody try a traceroute on 80.45.11.147 and see what they think ?


Any sensible suggestions would be welcome



Frederick

"John" <blimey-mi-old-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
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> "Frederick Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> Any sensible suggestions would be welcome
>
> Get a proper ISP.
> Then they might just answer the phone when you call them.
>
>
That won't be BT broadband then. Been waiting for 6 days for an email back
from them with an enquiry before setting up an account with their option 3
and only get the automated replies.. Looks like the special offer may have
finished before they reply with the required information.
Mick

On 18 Oct 2006, "Graham" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>It doesn't usually make any difference to the router if the IP address
>issued by the ISP is static. The router uses the same DHCP technique to get
>its IP address, it's just that the ISP always gives out the the same one.

Indeed, and it might also not work if one puts the static IP into a router
(at least from what I've read), leave it at 0.0.0.0 (even if there is a
static IP, in case the ISP decides to change it from one month to another
or switches you to dynamic for some reason). With my ISP I can alter that
from login session to login session (dynamic/static - clearly if I went to
dynamic and back to static, it would likely be a 'new' static address, not
the one previously used, but it is handy to have either option, for free,
and the ability to switch under user control, too)

>It surprises me that Tiscali gives static IP addresses - but others may
>confirm that the are available.

It was a surprise to me, too. Some ISPs charge a monthly fee for allowing
a user to have static IP(s)... seems a rip-off to me, given the number of
ISPs which provide static by default (though not being able to change IP
is sometimes a bit of a drag - eg if hosting service locks you out for
a period of time for a wrong password...)

>I'm not familiar with the D-Link router, but some routers will not reply to
>pings from the outside unless the facility is explicitly enabled -

Agreed, plenty have pings disabled for (limited?) security.

"NoNeedToKnow" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On 18 Oct 2006, "Graham" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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>>It doesn't usually make any difference to the router if the IP address
>>issued by the ISP is static. The router uses the same DHCP technique to
>>get
>>its IP address, it's just that the ISP always gives out the the same one.
>
> Indeed, and it might also not work if one puts the static IP into a router
> (at least from what I've read), leave it at 0.0.0.0 (even if there is a
> static IP, in case the ISP decides to change it from one month to another
> or switches you to dynamic for some reason). With my ISP I can alter that
> from login session to login session (dynamic/static - clearly if I went to
> dynamic and back to static, it would likely be a 'new' static address, not
> the one previously used, but it is handy to have either option, for free,
> and the ability to switch under user control, too)

I think you misunderstand the concept of "static". The ISP agrees (possibly
for a fee) to ensure that the address you have is the same every time you
connect. This is so that you can tell third parties your IP address, and
they will be able to use it at will. Thus it *never* changes. Though I
suppose if your ISP gets taken over by somebody else there might be a
planned program of change - I would expect them to give you good warning !

>>It surprises me that Tiscali gives static IP addresses - but others may
>>confirm that the are available.
>
> It was a surprise to me, too. Some ISPs charge a monthly fee for allowing
> a user to have static IP(s)... seems a rip-off to me, given the number of
> ISPs which provide static by default (though not being able to change IP
> is sometimes a bit of a drag - eg if hosting service locks you out for
> a period of time for a wrong password...)
>
>>I'm not familiar with the D-Link router, but some routers will not reply
>>to
>>pings from the outside unless the facility is explicitly enabled -
>
> Agreed, plenty have pings disabled for (limited?) security.

Also, some ISPs block ping as a security measure. However, if you publish a
service via the router, you should be able to connect to it from the
internet.

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Graham

On 19 Oct 2006, "Graham" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I think you misunderstand the concept of "static". The ISP agrees (possibly
>for a fee) to ensure that the address you have is the same every time you
>connect. This is so that you can tell third parties your IP address, and
>they will be able to use it at will. Thus it *never* changes. Though I
>suppose if your ISP gets taken over by somebody else there might be a
>planned program of change - I would expect them to give you good warning !

No, I don't misunderstand. My ISP (Eclipse) allows customers to opt for a
static IP, or dynamic IP (and multiple static IPs, as well, but I've not
yet bothered). Whilst many ISPs offer one or other (depending on the
account type, perhaps), the facility is available to the customer for
them to switch from dynamic to static, at will. So assume I request a
static IP. For as long as I don't request any change, I will get that IP
any time my router connects. So for example assume I have IP aa.bb.cc.dd
throughout July. In August I might switch to dynamic IP, and then later,
in September, I switch from dynamic back to single static IP. Odds are
that I would not get aa.bb.cc.dd again, but some other address, within
the pool from Eclipse, so it is 'back' to static, but not the same one
as was being used during July. Hope that explains it more clearly!

Not sure about the "concept of static IP" argument ... if I set it up as a
DHCP client, it keeps rebooting ... not always getting the same address, and
the address is never the one that was issued to me.

There are "Static " settings for the router - I just wondered if anybody
knew anything about them.

Would I be right in thinking that a "traceroute" should make some serious
attempt at getting to the remote address, even if ping replies are disabled
?


Frederick


"Graham" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "NoNeedToKnow" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> On 18 Oct 2006, "Graham" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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>>>It doesn't usually make any difference to the router if the IP address
>>>issued by the ISP is static. The router uses the same DHCP technique to
>>>get
>>>its IP address, it's just that the ISP always gives out the the same one.
>>
>> Indeed, and it might also not work if one puts the static IP into a
>> router
>> (at least from what I've read), leave it at 0.0.0.0 (even if there is a
>> static IP, in case the ISP decides to change it from one month to another
>> or switches you to dynamic for some reason). With my ISP I can alter
>> that
>> from login session to login session (dynamic/static - clearly if I went
>> to
>> dynamic and back to static, it would likely be a 'new' static address,
>> not
>> the one previously used, but it is handy to have either option, for free,
>> and the ability to switch under user control, too)
>
> I think you misunderstand the concept of "static". The ISP agrees
> (possibly for a fee) to ensure that the address you have is the same every
> time you connect. This is so that you can tell third parties your IP
> address, and they will be able to use it at will. Thus it *never*
> changes. Though I suppose if your ISP gets taken over by somebody else
> there might be a planned program of change - I would expect them to give
> you good warning !
>
>>>It surprises me that Tiscali gives static IP addresses - but others may
>>>confirm that the are available.
>>
>> It was a surprise to me, too. Some ISPs charge a monthly fee for
>> allowing
>> a user to have static IP(s)... seems a rip-off to me, given the number
>> of
>> ISPs which provide static by default (though not being able to change IP
>> is sometimes a bit of a drag - eg if hosting service locks you out for
>> a period of time for a wrong password...)
>>
>>>I'm not familiar with the D-Link router, but some routers will not reply
>>>to
>>>pings from the outside unless the facility is explicitly enabled -
>>
>> Agreed, plenty have pings disabled for (limited?) security.
>
> Also, some ISPs block ping as a security measure. However, if you publish
> a service via the router, you should be able to connect to it from the
> internet.
>
> --
> Graham
>

"NoNeedToKnow" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On 19 Oct 2006, "Graham" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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>>I think you misunderstand the concept of "static". The ISP agrees
>>(possibly
>>for a fee) to ensure that the address you have is the same every time you
>>connect. This is so that you can tell third parties your IP address, and
>>they will be able to use it at will. Thus it *never* changes. Though I
>>suppose if your ISP gets taken over by somebody else there might be a
>>planned program of change - I would expect them to give you good warning !
>
> No, I don't misunderstand. My ISP (Eclipse) allows customers to opt for a
> static IP, or dynamic IP (and multiple static IPs, as well, but I've not
> yet bothered). Whilst many ISPs offer one or other (depending on the
> account type, perhaps), the facility is available to the customer for
> them to switch from dynamic to static, at will. So assume I request a
> static IP. For as long as I don't request any change, I will get that IP
> any time my router connects. So for example assume I have IP aa.bb.cc.dd
> throughout July. In August I might switch to dynamic IP, and then later,
> in September, I switch from dynamic back to single static IP. Odds are
> that I would not get aa.bb.cc.dd again, but some other address, within
> the pool from Eclipse, so it is 'back' to static, but not the same one
> as was being used during July. Hope that explains it more clearly!

I'vre not dealt with Eclipse but it seems to me that their arangement could
only be described as truly static if you were ALWAYS allocated aa.bb.cc.dd
whenever you requested "static". What you appear to have is dynamic with
infinite lease time.

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Graham

"Frederick Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Not sure about the "concept of static IP" argument ... if I set it up as
> a DHCP client, it keeps rebooting ... not always getting the same address,
> and the address is never the one that was issued to me.
>
> There are "Static " settings for the router - I just wondered if anybody
> knew anything about them.
>
> Would I be right in thinking that a "traceroute" should make some serious
> attempt at getting to the remote address, even if ping replies are
> disabled

If your router keeps rebooting when configured as a DHCP client there's
something curious about either the router or your ISP. What happens when
you try a different make of router?

Traceroute uses ping repeatedly, with TTL (Time To Live) incrementing with
each iteration. As the packet traveses a router the TTL is decremented. If
the router decrements the TTL to zero, it replies with its own address -
thus you see the route that the packet takes towards its destination. If
ping is blocked somewhere along the way there are no further replies.

So traceroute is making a serious attempt to get to your address.

What happens if you publish a service (e.g. a website) through your router?

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Graham