Powerline ethernet adapters any good? Difference in powerline speed over direct connect Wireless?

I have a Range Extender (Linksys) downstairs in my home but signal is
still weak no matter where I place it. Can connect but want a better
and stronger connection.

Upstairs-have a Linksys with Speedbooster router with (WRT54GS) 2 third
party 12 db replacement antennas. Tried placing router and antennas
everywhere. I really need a stronger signal.

I want to either run Cat5 downstairs and then connect to a another
wireless router (WAP)

OR use some Powerline modules via outlets and connect to another WAP
wireless router..

My question: How much signal loss is there via Powerline adapters to a
WAP -over- using my Cat5 to WAP??

I have one circuit breaker box in home. Home is 5 years old.


Thank you very much for this nebulous and perhaps oft asked question.

I could perhaps use 3rd party firmware on my router (WRT) but hate to
make a brick out of it which I have done once b4 using SVEAsoft. Rather
keep firmware intact.

Sincerely
Patty



pattyjamas@hotmail.com

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> I have a Range Extender (Linksys) downstairs in my home but signal is
> still weak no matter where I place it. Can connect but want a better
> and stronger connection.
>
> Upstairs-have a Linksys with Speedbooster router with (WRT54GS) 2
> third party 12 db replacement antennas. Tried placing router and
> antennas everywhere. I really need a stronger signal.
>
> I want to either run Cat5 downstairs and then connect to a another
> wireless router (WAP)
>
> OR use some Powerline modules via outlets and connect to another WAP
> wireless router..
>
> My question: How much signal loss is there via Powerline adapters to a
> WAP -over- using my Cat5 to WAP??
>
> I have one circuit breaker box in home. Home is 5 years old.
>
>
> Thank you very much for this nebulous and perhaps oft asked question.
>
> I could perhaps use 3rd party firmware on my router (WRT) but hate to
> make a brick out of it which I have done once b4 using SVEAsoft.
> Rather keep firmware intact.
>
> Sincerely
> Patty

Two things.. Powerline networking is REALLY cool, and way way faster than
wireless, ones from netdisk are up to 54Mbps/85 Mbps/200Mbps (used to only
be 14Mbps, they have come a long way), and do NOT have to be on the same
breaker at all
see
<http://www.netgear.com/Products/BridgesAccessPointsandExtenders/PowerlineWallPluggedExtenders/HDX101.aspx>
and
<http://www.netgear.com/Products/BridgesAccessPointsandExtenders/PowerlineWallPluggedExtenders/HDXB101.aspx>
and
http://www.netgear.com/Products/Brid...Specifications

Be aware, that while they work great for computers/gaming stuff/etc, they do
NOT work for extending wireless from one router to the wan input of another

Wanted to extend from one wap/router to another and increase the hot area
size, but it didn't want to work from output of one to input of another...
Then I realized, there are power plugs in almost every room (and the
sunroom/garage/etc.. why almost? none in the sauna - can't cook my body and
be on the net at the same time - just an aside a radio won't even work in
there, so saunas must be rf shielded)
At any rate, was simple enuf to use it as a hardwire to nearest plug.. Have
all 6 laptops and the PDA working, sharing files and printers, on the same
network..

Ps, you can use the powerline stuff to create a separate subnet, but I
wanted them all to be on the same and it won't do that....

Thanks!!


Interesting. I thought I read that Powerline even though rated at up to
85Mbps do not ever reach those rates, perhaps up to 30Mbps and even
then it depends on wiring of course.

****Was not aware that hooking from Powerline to another router (WAP)
could be a problem.

**Anyone else share these same sentiments as "Peter Pan's" reply b4 I
try Powerline and a WAP Router as opposed to Ethernet from my router to
another remote WAP router.

Thanks so much.
Patty
_____
Peter Pan wrote:
> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> > I have a Range Extender (Linksys) downstairs in my home but signal is
> > still weak no matter where I place it. Can connect but want a better
> > and stronger connection.
> >
> > Upstairs-have a Linksys with Speedbooster router with (WRT54GS) 2
> > third party 12 db replacement antennas. Tried placing router and
> > antennas everywhere. I really need a stronger signal.
> >
> > I want to either run Cat5 downstairs and then connect to a another
> > wireless router (WAP)
> >
> > OR use some Powerline modules via outlets and connect to another WAP
> > wireless router..
> >
> > My question: How much signal loss is there via Powerline adapters to a
> > WAP -over- using my Cat5 to WAP??
> >
> > I have one circuit breaker box in home. Home is 5 years old.
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much for this nebulous and perhaps oft asked question.
> >
> > I could perhaps use 3rd party firmware on my router (WRT) but hate to
> > make a brick out of it which I have done once b4 using SVEAsoft.
> > Rather keep firmware intact.
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Patty
>
> Two things.. Powerline networking is REALLY cool, and way way faster than
> wireless, ones from netdisk are up to 54Mbps/85 Mbps/200Mbps (used to only
> be 14Mbps, they have come a long way), and do NOT have to be on the same
> breaker at all
> see
> <http://www.netgear.com/Products/BridgesAccessPointsandExtenders/PowerlineWallPluggedExtenders/HDX101.aspx>
> and
> <http://www.netgear.com/Products/BridgesAccessPointsandExtenders/PowerlineWallPluggedExtenders/HDXB101.aspx>
> and
> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Brid...Specifications
>
> Be aware, that while they work great for computers/gaming stuff/etc, they do
> NOT work for extending wireless from one router to the wan input of another
>
> Wanted to extend from one wap/router to another and increase the hot area
> size, but it didn't want to work from output of one to input of another...
> Then I realized, there are power plugs in almost every room (and the
> sunroom/garage/etc.. why almost? none in the sauna - can't cook my body and
> be on the net at the same time - just an aside a radio won't even work in
> there, so saunas must be rf shielded)
> At any rate, was simple enuf to use it as a hardwire to nearest plug.. Have
> all 6 laptops and the PDA working, sharing files and printers, on the same
> network..
>
> Ps, you can use the powerline stuff to create a separate subnet, but I
> wanted them all to be on the same and it won't do that....

Peter,
You wrote in a different posting that the Powerline's were fine from
Router to WAP Router. Are you saying they do not work now?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.i...bf62bca6a552fb

"FWIW I have and use the XE103's and they work great with a wap/router
on
each end (same ssid so I have a large hotspot at my house), the 101's
have
only been out for a few months and I haven't used the newer models so
can't
say if there will be any probs with them (none so far with the 103's) "

Perhaps I misunderstood this other posting.
Thanks for any clarification.

Patty

_______________
Peter Pan wrote:
> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> > I have a Range Extender (Linksys) downstairs in my home but signal is
> > still weak no matter where I place it. Can connect but want a better
> > and stronger connection.
> >
> > Upstairs-have a Linksys with Speedbooster router with (WRT54GS) 2
> > third party 12 db replacement antennas. Tried placing router and
> > antennas everywhere. I really need a stronger signal.
> >
> > I want to either run Cat5 downstairs and then connect to a another
> > wireless router (WAP)
> >
> > OR use some Powerline modules via outlets and connect to another WAP
> > wireless router..
> >
> > My question: How much signal loss is there via Powerline adapters to a
> > WAP -over- using my Cat5 to WAP??
> >
> > I have one circuit breaker box in home. Home is 5 years old.
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much for this nebulous and perhaps oft asked question.
> >
> > I could perhaps use 3rd party firmware on my router (WRT) but hate to
> > make a brick out of it which I have done once b4 using SVEAsoft.
> > Rather keep firmware intact.
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Patty
>
> Two things.. Powerline networking is REALLY cool, and way way faster than
> wireless, ones from netdisk are up to 54Mbps/85 Mbps/200Mbps (used to only
> be 14Mbps, they have come a long way), and do NOT have to be on the same
> breaker at all
> see
> <http://www.netgear.com/Products/BridgesAccessPointsandExtenders/PowerlineWallPluggedExtenders/HDX101.aspx>
> and
> <http://www.netgear.com/Products/BridgesAccessPointsandExtenders/PowerlineWallPluggedExtenders/HDXB101.aspx>
> and
> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Brid...Specifications
>
> Be aware, that while they work great for computers/gaming stuff/etc, they do
> NOT work for extending wireless from one router to the wan input of another
>
> Wanted to extend from one wap/router to another and increase the hot area
> size, but it didn't want to work from output of one to input of another...
> Then I realized, there are power plugs in almost every room (and the
> sunroom/garage/etc.. why almost? none in the sauna - can't cook my body and
> be on the net at the same time - just an aside a radio won't even work in
> there, so saunas must be rf shielded)
> At any rate, was simple enuf to use it as a hardwire to nearest plug.. Have
> all 6 laptops and the PDA working, sharing files and printers, on the same
> network..
>
> Ps, you can use the powerline stuff to create a separate subnet, but I
> wanted them all to be on the same and it won't do that....

They work, but as different subnets... (you can share internet access, but a
computer on one subnet won't see ones on the other subnet, in actuality it
did finally work on the same subnet but it took a lot of messing around, and
I sure wouldn't recommend it or remember how the heck I finally did it..
When the router died in the garage, I went with plan B and just did the
hardwire)

In my situation, I was trying to put another wap/router in the garage
(Northern Idaho/5 Acres, about 800 ft away from the house, but powered from
the house, via underground power cable).. I could use the laptops on the
wap/router in the garage and see the internet, but not the puters in the
house... I went with just powerline networking to a hardwire to/on a laptop
in the garage. Same transmitter lets me use the power plug for network
access on the barn (about 1/4 mile back), and in the guest cabin (about a
mile back) both with electric power from the house.

No matter how fast something is it only gets the speed of your internet
connection... dial up 56k, DSL 3Mb, Cable 6Mb, sat 15Mb... so if you have
something over those numbers, you are only gonna be able to access the
internet at the slowest parts speed anyway... Powerline and wireless are
faster than any internet input source, so you will always run faster than
the internet input anyway...




(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> Peter,
> You wrote in a different posting that the Powerline's were fine from
> Router to WAP Router. Are you saying they do not work now?
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.i...bf62bca6a552fb
>
> "FWIW I have and use the XE103's and they work great with a wap/router
> on
> each end (same ssid so I have a large hotspot at my house), the 101's
> have
> only been out for a few months and I haven't used the newer models so
> can't
> say if there will be any probs with them (none so far with the 103's)
> "
>
> Perhaps I misunderstood this other posting.
> Thanks for any clarification.
>
> Patty
>
> _______________
> Peter Pan wrote:
>> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>>> I have a Range Extender (Linksys) downstairs in my home but signal
>>> is still weak no matter where I place it. Can connect but want a
>>> better and stronger connection.
>>>
>>> Upstairs-have a Linksys with Speedbooster router with (WRT54GS) 2
>>> third party 12 db replacement antennas. Tried placing router and
>>> antennas everywhere. I really need a stronger signal.
>>>
>>> I want to either run Cat5 downstairs and then connect to a another
>>> wireless router (WAP)
>>>
>>> OR use some Powerline modules via outlets and connect to another WAP
>>> wireless router..
>>>
>>> My question: How much signal loss is there via Powerline adapters
>>> to a WAP -over- using my Cat5 to WAP??
>>>
>>> I have one circuit breaker box in home. Home is 5 years old.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for this nebulous and perhaps oft asked
>>> question.
>>>
>>> I could perhaps use 3rd party firmware on my router (WRT) but hate
>>> to make a brick out of it which I have done once b4 using SVEAsoft.
>>> Rather keep firmware intact.
>>>
>>> Sincerely
>>> Patty
>>
>> Two things.. Powerline networking is REALLY cool, and way way faster
>> than wireless, ones from netdisk are up to 54Mbps/85 Mbps/200Mbps
>> (used to only be 14Mbps, they have come a long way), and do NOT have
>> to be on the same breaker at all
>> see
>> <http://www.netgear.com/Products/BridgesAccessPointsandExtenders/PowerlineWallPluggedExtenders/HDX101.aspx>
>> and
>> <http://www.netgear.com/Products/BridgesAccessPointsandExtenders/PowerlineWallPluggedExtenders/HDXB101.aspx>
>> and
>> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Brid...Specifications
>>
>> Be aware, that while they work great for computers/gaming stuff/etc,
>> they do NOT work for extending wireless from one router to the wan
>> input of another
>>
>> Wanted to extend from one wap/router to another and increase the hot
>> area size, but it didn't want to work from output of one to input of
>> another... Then I realized, there are power plugs in almost every
>> room (and the sunroom/garage/etc.. why almost? none in the sauna -
>> can't cook my body and be on the net at the same time - just an
>> aside a radio won't even work in there, so saunas must be rf
>> shielded)
>> At any rate, was simple enuf to use it as a hardwire to nearest
>> plug.. Have all 6 laptops and the PDA working, sharing files and
>> printers, on the same network..
>>
>> Ps, you can use the powerline stuff to create a separate subnet, but
>> I wanted them all to be on the same and it won't do that....

Peter Pan wrote:

> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>> I have a Range Extender (Linksys) downstairs in my home but signal is
>> still weak no matter where I place it. Can connect but want a better
>> and stronger connection.
>>
>> Upstairs-have a Linksys with Speedbooster router with (WRT54GS) 2
>> third party 12 db replacement antennas. Tried placing router and
>> antennas everywhere. I really need a stronger signal.
>>
>> I want to either run Cat5 downstairs and then connect to a another
>> wireless router (WAP)
>>
>> OR use some Powerline modules via outlets and connect to another WAP
>> wireless router..
>>
>> My question: How much signal loss is there via Powerline adapters to a
>> WAP -over- using my Cat5 to WAP??
>>
>> I have one circuit breaker box in home. Home is 5 years old.
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much for this nebulous and perhaps oft asked question.
>>
>> I could perhaps use 3rd party firmware on my router (WRT) but hate to
>> make a brick out of it which I have done once b4 using SVEAsoft.
>> Rather keep firmware intact.
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Patty
>
> Two things.. Powerline networking is REALLY cool, and way way faster than
> wireless, ones from netdisk are up to 54Mbps/85 Mbps/200Mbps (used to only
> be 14Mbps, they have come a long way), and do NOT have to be on the same
> breaker at all
> see
>
<http://www.netgear.com/Products/BridgesAccessPointsandExtenders/PowerlineWallPluggedExtenders/HDX101.aspx>
> and
>
<http://www.netgear.com/Products/BridgesAccessPointsandExtenders/PowerlineWallPluggedExtenders/HDXB101.aspx>
> and
>
http://www.netgear.com/Products/Brid...Specifications
>
> Be aware, that while they work great for computers/gaming stuff/etc, they
> do NOT work for extending wireless from one router to the wan input of
> another
>
> Wanted to extend from one wap/router to another and increase the hot area
> size, but it didn't want to work from output of one to input of another...
> Then I realized, there are power plugs in almost every room (and the
> sunroom/garage/etc.. why almost? none in the sauna - can't cook my body
> and be on the net at the same time - just an aside a radio won't even work
> in there, so saunas must be rf shielded)
> At any rate, was simple enuf to use it as a hardwire to nearest plug..
> Have all 6 laptops and the PDA working, sharing files and printers, on the
> same network..
>
> Ps, you can use the powerline stuff to create a separate subnet, but I
> wanted them all to be on the same and it won't do that....

Long (very long) ago, I had a pair of "wireless" intercoms that communicated
over the powerlines. They worked only when both were on the same phase of
the AC line ... not necessarily on the same breaker. More recently, I
played with X10 remote control modules that also work only when connected
to the same phase. As (my) luck would have it, the most convenient outlet
pairs are sometimes not on the same phase, and so no talkie.

Do the powerline nics have the same problem?

Roby wrote:
>
> Long (very long) ago, I had a pair of "wireless" intercoms that
> communicated over the powerlines. They worked only when both were on
> the same phase of the AC line ... not necessarily on the same
> breaker. More recently, I played with X10 remote control modules
> that also work only when connected to the same phase. As (my) luck
> would have it, the most convenient outlet pairs are sometimes not on
> the same phase, and so no talkie.
>
> Do the powerline nics have the same problem?

Never ran into multiples phases in a house, did run into a problem on a ship
with two generators, and the network didn't feed thru to the other
generators power lines.. In that instance, we just used two in the AC plugs
for each in the power room (one on each line, and jumped em with a cat 5
cable so they would work as one).. Suppose you could do that in a
home/business/etc too with multiple phases (circuits?).. Units are about $50
each, and you can have as many as you want...

Sounds like the network might work for anybody on the same power pole
transformer, even at different residences. Possible?

Peter Pan wrote:
> Roby wrote:
>> Long (very long) ago, I had a pair of "wireless" intercoms that
>> communicated over the powerlines. They worked only when both were on
>> the same phase of the AC line ... not necessarily on the same
>> breaker. More recently, I played with X10 remote control modules
>> that also work only when connected to the same phase. As (my) luck
>> would have it, the most convenient outlet pairs are sometimes not on
>> the same phase, and so no talkie.
>>
>> Do the powerline nics have the same problem?
>
> Never ran into multiples phases in a house, did run into a problem on a ship
> with two generators, and the network didn't feed thru to the other
> generators power lines.. In that instance, we just used two in the AC plugs
> for each in the power room (one on each line, and jumped em with a cat 5
> cable so they would work as one).. Suppose you could do that in a
> home/business/etc too with multiple phases (circuits?).. Units are about $50
> each, and you can have as many as you want...
>
>

Roby <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Peter Pan wrote:
>
>> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>>> I have a Range Extender (Linksys) downstairs in my home but signal is
>>> still weak no matter where I place it. Can connect but want a better
>>> and stronger connection.
>>>
>>> Upstairs-have a Linksys with Speedbooster router with (WRT54GS) 2
>>> third party 12 db replacement antennas. Tried placing router and
>>> antennas everywhere. I really need a stronger signal.
>>>
>>> I want to either run Cat5 downstairs and then connect to a another
>>> wireless router (WAP)
>>>
>>> OR use some Powerline modules via outlets and connect to another WAP
>>> wireless router..
>>>
>>> My question: How much signal loss is there via Powerline adapters to a
>>> WAP -over- using my Cat5 to WAP??
>>>
>>> I have one circuit breaker box in home. Home is 5 years old.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for this nebulous and perhaps oft asked question.
>>>
>>> I could perhaps use 3rd party firmware on my router (WRT) but hate to
>>> make a brick out of it which I have done once b4 using SVEAsoft.
>>> Rather keep firmware intact.
>>>
>>> Sincerely
>>> Patty
>>
>> Two things.. Powerline networking is REALLY cool, and way way faster than
>> wireless, ones from netdisk are up to 54Mbps/85 Mbps/200Mbps (used to only
>> be 14Mbps, they have come a long way), and do NOT have to be on the same
>> breaker at all
>> see
>>
><http://www.netgear.com/Products/BridgesAccessPointsandExtenders/PowerlineWallPluggedExtenders/HDX101.aspx>
>> and
>>
><http://www.netgear.com/Products/BridgesAccessPointsandExtenders/PowerlineWallPluggedExtenders/HDXB101.aspx>
>> and
>>
>http://www.netgear.com/Products/Brid...Specifications
>>
>> Be aware, that while they work great for computers/gaming stuff/etc, they
>> do NOT work for extending wireless from one router to the wan input of
>> another
>>
>> Wanted to extend from one wap/router to another and increase the hot area
>> size, but it didn't want to work from output of one to input of another...
>> Then I realized, there are power plugs in almost every room (and the
>> sunroom/garage/etc.. why almost? none in the sauna - can't cook my body
>> and be on the net at the same time - just an aside a radio won't even work
>> in there, so saunas must be rf shielded)
>> At any rate, was simple enuf to use it as a hardwire to nearest plug..
>> Have all 6 laptops and the PDA working, sharing files and printers, on the
>> same network..
>>
>> Ps, you can use the powerline stuff to create a separate subnet, but I
>> wanted them all to be on the same and it won't do that....
>
>Long (very long) ago, I had a pair of "wireless" intercoms that communicated
>over the powerlines. They worked only when both were on the same phase of
>the AC line ... not necessarily on the same breaker. More recently, I
>played with X10 remote control modules that also work only when connected
>to the same phase. As (my) luck would have it, the most convenient outlet
>pairs are sometimes not on the same phase, and so no talkie.
>
>Do the powerline nics have the same problem?


For the x-10 you can get a capacitor that you put accross the
different phases.. If you do a search you might find something.

> Peter Pan wrote:
>> Roby wrote:
>>> Long (very long) ago, I had a pair of "wireless" intercoms that
>>> communicated over the powerlines. They worked only when both were
>>> on the same phase of the AC line ... not necessarily on the same
>>> breaker. More recently, I played with X10 remote control modules
>>> that also work only when connected to the same phase. As (my) luck
>>> would have it, the most convenient outlet pairs are sometimes not on
>>> the same phase, and so no talkie.
>>>
>>> Do the powerline nics have the same problem?
>>
>> Never ran into multiples phases in a house, did run into a problem
>> on a ship with two generators, and the network didn't feed thru to
>> the other generators power lines.. In that instance, we just used
>> two in the AC plugs for each in the power room (one on each line,
>> and jumped em with a cat 5 cable so they would work as one)..
>> Suppose you could do that in a home/business/etc too with multiple
>> phases (circuits?).. Units are about $50 each, and you can have as
>> many as you want...
Airman Thunderbird wrote:
> Sounds like the network might work for anybody on the same power pole
> transformer, even at different residences. Possible?
>

In my location (Rural area, 10 acre parcels), my neighbor to the north
(about 1/2 mile away, but on the same power transformer), and the 6
buildings on his property (various sons/daughters/in laws/etc), same to the
south, but only two houses (father and son), were all on the same network (I
had sat internet, no cable or dsl, and shared it with the neighbors..

Can't say it will work for anyone, but it worked fine for me in our
location..