Re: Cannot get TCP/IP to work

Bill Todd wrote:

> I have a new machine with Win98SE newly installed. I am trying to
> connect to a Win2k Pro SP3 machine over a TCP/IP network. I can ping
> the Win2k machine from the Win98 machine and I can ping the Win98
> machine from the Win2k machine.
>
> I cannot see the Win98 machine from the Win2k machine in Windows
> Exporer and I cannot see the Win2k machine from the Win98 machine in
> Explorer.
>
> If I install NetBEUI, the two machines see each other their respective
> shared drives just as they should.
>
> Why doesn't TCP/IP work?

It does. You said you could ping both ways. Windows insists on its
own proprietary protocol to "see" other machines in "Network
Neighborhood" (although it will do Netbios over TCP/IP if you check
that box). But stuff like ftp and Internet access will work without it.

>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
> --
> Bill

Also, I tried connecting to the Internet from the Win98 machine with
both TCP/IP and NetBEUI installed and cannot. The Win2k machines on
the network can connect to the Internet.

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 21:16:11 GMT, CJT <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Bill Todd wrote:
>
>> I have a new machine with Win98SE newly installed. I am trying to
>> connect to a Win2k Pro SP3 machine over a TCP/IP network. I can ping
>> the Win2k machine from the Win98 machine and I can ping the Win98
>> machine from the Win2k machine.
>>
>> I cannot see the Win98 machine from the Win2k machine in Windows
>> Exporer and I cannot see the Win2k machine from the Win98 machine in
>> Explorer.
>>
>> If I install NetBEUI, the two machines see each other their respective
>> shared drives just as they should.
>>
>> Why doesn't TCP/IP work?
>
>It does. You said you could ping both ways. Windows insists on its
>own proprietary protocol to "see" other machines in "Network
>Neighborhood" (although it will do Netbios over TCP/IP if you check
>that box). But stuff like ftp and Internet access will work without it.
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill
>> --
>> Bill

--
Bill

Does all 3 machines have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled?

"Bill Todd" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Thanks for responding. I am confused. I have another network with
> three Win2k machines and none of them have NetBEUI installed. All they
> have is TCP/IP and they can see each others shared folders.
>

The Win98 machine does. I do not know where to check that on the Win2k
machine. I will try to find out.

Thanks.

On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:24:42 +0800, "Kervin" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Does all 3 machines have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled?
>
>"Bill Todd" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> Thanks for responding. I am confused. I have another network with
>> three Win2k machines and none of them have NetBEUI installed. All they
>> have is TCP/IP and they can see each others shared folders.
>>
>

--
Bill

Yes. Both machines have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled. Any other
suggestions?

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Bill

It sounds like you have both TCP/IP and NetBEUI installed and working.
I have both installed but only NetBEUI works which is why I cannot get
an Internet connection.

In my case, TCP/IP does not work even if I uninstall NetBEUI on both
machines. I had this problem with a Win98 machine long ago and it took
months to find a solution. Unfortunately I do not remember what the
solution was.

If you have any other suggestions please let me know.

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Bill

Others here know way more about this than i do, specially on the w2k side.
this could take otherwise unnecessary detail for me to try to help.

you're connecting ea machine to a router / internet gateway?
do machines see themselves in NN even if they don't connect? when ping
works from ea side, does rite click on NN and "find computer" find other
machine by name, and if it finds other, rite click>open (explore) on the
name says what? there is more than i know to ask at this point, way easier
to do hands on. :/

first i would setup ea machine with only msclient and tcp/ip added, and
verify internet connect working on ea machine. if both working then add
file/printer sharing on ea, and go back and set up / verify settings
permissions etc for getting machines to connect . likely be rite back
here, but ??

-dj


"Bill Todd" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> It sounds like you have both TCP/IP and NetBEUI installed and working.
> I have both installed but only NetBEUI works which is why I cannot get
> an Internet connection.
>
> In my case, TCP/IP does not work even if I uninstall NetBEUI on both
> machines. I had this problem with a Win98 machine long ago and it took
> months to find a solution. Unfortunately I do not remember what the
> solution was.
>
> If you have any other suggestions please let me know.
>
> --
> Bill

are you using user logon at startup?
the problem you described happened to me when a user in my network hit
cancel at logon and then the user was not able to connect and see network
servers. it is a win95/win98 network and using only TCP/IP. the user had to
give a password and hit ok to access the network.
but you can define a user with a blank password so the next time you start
again no user and password is asked to logon and you can see network
machines. but first you have to enter to Control panel | network and select
Windows logon
maybe it can help you.
Carlos Serrano.


"Bill Todd" <(E-Mail Removed)> escribió en el mensaje
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> It sounds like you have both TCP/IP and NetBEUI installed and working.
> I have both installed but only NetBEUI works which is why I cannot get
> an Internet connection.
>
> In my case, TCP/IP does not work even if I uninstall NetBEUI on both
> machines. I had this problem with a Win98 machine long ago and it took
> months to find a solution. Unfortunately I do not remember what the
> solution was.
>
> If you have any other suggestions please let me know.
>
> --
> Bill