DNS enable seems to cause problems

Win98SE
Using proxy server at Port 8080
HOSTS file active
Network Options>TCP/IP Dial-up set to "enable DNS checking"
I am on a Dial-up system.


I enabled DNS checking in Network, host set to "localhost", DNS search order
has the single entry of 127.0.0.1, I set these Options in order to bolster
the effect of the HOSTS file to block popups.

It certainly appeared to do so.

The problem is that after a cold boot, common URLs come up "page not found."
IOW, it appears that no DNS is getting out of 127.0.0.1. However.....this
problem is intermittent. This morning it came up in a cold boot, i
connected, and instead of calling a completely external DNS, I initially
started IE and called a common page through my ISP, after which purely
external calls worked just fine.

****************
The excruciatingly obvious solution is to go back into Network Options and
disable DNS checking, which was the default on my installation. HOWEVER,
to do so does not address the problem.
****************

WINS in Network Settings only has "Use DHCP for WINS resolution checked.
IP Address is set to "obtain an IP address automatically".

The workaround solution, which - which still does not address any problem
-- is to do a warm reboot after a cold reboot -- at which time every thing
is fine insofar as external DNS resolutions.

At no time is my email client or NNTP affected. In the account settings,
neither shows an IP, just a Domain name (and prefix, and secondaries)

Any other answers necessary to get an actual answer that addresses
this problem can probably be provided.

I have a feeling that I may have enabled DNS checking to use the HOSTS file
exclusively, but since no positive external addresses exist there, it seems
that if that were truly the case then the problem should be constant and not
intermittent nor "fixable" by a warm boot.

My question is what is occurring and why.

(And apologies for any incorrect terminology)

Thanks,

FACE




FACE

Don't everybody go replying all at once now -- makes it hard to keep
up.......

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:15:31 -0500, FACE <(E-Mail Removed)> in
microsoft.public.win98.networking wrote:

>Win98SE
>Using proxy server at Port 8080
>HOSTS file active
>Network Options>TCP/IP Dial-up set to "enable DNS checking"
>I am on a Dial-up system.
>
>
>I enabled DNS checking in Network, host set to "localhost", DNS search order
>has the single entry of 127.0.0.1, I set these Options in order to bolster
>the effect of the HOSTS file to block popups.
>
>It certainly appeared to do so.
>
>The problem is that after a cold boot, common URLs come up "page not found."
>IOW, it appears that no DNS is getting out of 127.0.0.1. However.....this
>problem is intermittent. This morning it came up in a cold boot, i
>connected, and instead of calling a completely external DNS, I initially
>started IE and called a common page through my ISP, after which purely
>external calls worked just fine.
>
>****************
>The excruciatingly obvious solution is to go back into Network Options and
>disable DNS checking, which was the default on my installation. HOWEVER,
>to do so does not address the problem.
>****************
>
>WINS in Network Settings only has "Use DHCP for WINS resolution checked.
>IP Address is set to "obtain an IP address automatically".
>
>The workaround solution, which - which still does not address any problem
>-- is to do a warm reboot after a cold reboot -- at which time every thing
>is fine insofar as external DNS resolutions.
>
>At no time is my email client or NNTP affected. In the account settings,
>neither shows an IP, just a Domain name (and prefix, and secondaries)
>
>Any other answers necessary to get an actual answer that addresses
>this problem can probably be provided.
>
>I have a feeling that I may have enabled DNS checking to use the HOSTS file
>exclusively, but since no positive external addresses exist there, it seems
>that if that were truly the case then the problem should be constant and not
>intermittent nor "fixable" by a warm boot.
>
>My question is what is occurring and why.
>
>(And apologies for any incorrect terminology)
>
>Thanks,
>
>FACE
>

"FACE" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Don't everybody go replying all at once now -- makes it hard to keep
> up.......
>
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:15:31 -0500, FACE <(E-Mail Removed)>
> in
> microsoft.public.win98.networking wrote:
>
>>Win98SE
>>Using proxy server at Port 8080
>>HOSTS file active
>>Network Options>TCP/IP Dial-up set to "enable DNS checking"
>>I am on a Dial-up system.
>>
>>
>>I enabled DNS checking in Network, host set to "localhost", DNS search
>>order
>>has the single entry of 127.0.0.1, I set these Options in order to bolster
>>the effect of the HOSTS file to block popups.
>>
>>It certainly appeared to do so.
>>
>>The problem is that after a cold boot, common URLs come up "page not
>>found."
>>IOW, it appears that no DNS is getting out of 127.0.0.1. However.....this
>>problem is intermittent. This morning it came up in a cold boot, i
>>connected, and instead of calling a completely external DNS, I initially
>>started IE and called a common page through my ISP, after which purely
>>external calls worked just fine.
>>
>>****************
>>The excruciatingly obvious solution is to go back into Network Options and
>>disable DNS checking, which was the default on my installation. HOWEVER,
>>to do so does not address the problem.
>>****************
>>
>>WINS in Network Settings only has "Use DHCP for WINS resolution checked.
>>IP Address is set to "obtain an IP address automatically".
>>
>>The workaround solution, which - which still does not address any problem
>>-- is to do a warm reboot after a cold reboot -- at which time every thing
>>is fine insofar as external DNS resolutions.
>>
>>At no time is my email client or NNTP affected. In the account settings,
>>neither shows an IP, just a Domain name (and prefix, and secondaries)
>>
>>Any other answers necessary to get an actual answer that addresses
>>this problem can probably be provided.
>>
>>I have a feeling that I may have enabled DNS checking to use the HOSTS
>>file
>>exclusively, but since no positive external addresses exist there, it
>>seems
>>that if that were truly the case then the problem should be constant and
>>not
>>intermittent nor "fixable" by a warm boot.
>>
>>My question is what is occurring and why.
>>
>>(And apologies for any incorrect terminology)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>FACE
>>
>

not much traffic here sometimes....

can you specify and use your ISP's DNS servers ? netbios enabled ?

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:37:23 -0400, "Haggis"
<(E-Mail Removed)> in microsoft.public.win98.networking wrote:


>>
>
>not much traffic here sometimes....
>
>can you specify and use your ISP's DNS servers ? netbios enabled ?
>

Sure. (And I hope these are these answers you need, but others can be
provided <hopefully>)

ISP - Bellsouth

(Haggis, let me throw all of the below out, which is my complete connections
at this point. -- I believe the 7th TCP is my ISPs)

I am using localhost 127.0.0.1 for a dialup accelerator (and local DNS
host?) that is integrated with my ISP and using port 8080. There is also a
connection to a product called "Weatherbug"

[System Pane]

|Protocol| |State| |Loc Name| |Loc Port||Rem Name| |Rem Port|

Tcp LISTENING 0.0.0.0 1025
Tcp LISTENING 0.0.0.0 1160
Tcp LISTENING 0.0.0.0 1394
Tcp LISTENING localhost 137
Tcp LISTENING localhost 138
Tcp LISTENING localhost nbsession
Tcp ESTABLISHED localhost 1394 hsb03aec-pub.bellsouth.net
is at port: 7797 (I think this is the one)
Tcp ESTABLISHED localhost 1025 localhost is at port: 19999
Tcp LISTENING localhost 1037
Tcp LISTENING localhost 1117
Tcp LISTENING localhost 1159
Tcp ESTABLISHED localhost 1159 localhost 1160
Tcp ESTABLISHED localhost 1160 localhost 1159
Tcp LISTENING localhost 5180
Tcp LISTENING localhost 8080
Tcp TIME_WAIT localhost 8080
Tcp LISTENING localhost 8880
Tcp LISTENING localhost 19999
Tcp ESTABLISHED localhost 19999 localhost
1025
Tcp LISTENING localhost 137
Tcp LISTENING localhost 138
Tcp LISTENING localhost nbsession
Udp localhost nbname
Udp localhost nbdatagram
Udp localhost 1037
Udp localhost 1117
Udp localhost nbname
Udp localhost nbdatagram

I understand that there are two major on-net DNS servers, and i believe I am
using the one called "WIN" something. Could my ISP also have one local?

The reason i ask that last question is that for the last two cold boots, i
find that if I initially call a page like Yahoo through my ISP, then purely
external calls thereafter (like radio@netscape) go just fine.

Netbios support for TCP/IP applications is enabled and grayed out as such.
(under TCP/IP dial-up adapter under network options out of control panel)

(As before, I am unsure of my terminology here)


Thanks for the response,

FACE

"FACE" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:37:23 -0400, "Haggis"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> in microsoft.public.win98.networking
> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>
>>not much traffic here sometimes....
>>
>>can you specify and use your ISP's DNS servers ? netbios enabled ?
>>
>
> Sure. (And I hope these are these answers you need, but others can be
> provided <hopefully>)
>
> ISP - Bellsouth
>
> (Haggis, let me throw all of the below out, which is my complete
> connections
> at this point. -- I believe the 7th TCP is my ISPs)
>
> I am using localhost 127.0.0.1 for a dialup accelerator (and local DNS
> host?) that is integrated with my ISP and using port 8080. There is also
> a
> connection to a product called "Weatherbug"
>
> [System Pane]
>
> |Protocol| |State| |Loc Name| |Loc Port||Rem Name|
> |Rem Port|
>
> Tcp LISTENING 0.0.0.0 1025
> Tcp LISTENING 0.0.0.0 1160
> Tcp LISTENING 0.0.0.0 1394
> Tcp LISTENING localhost 137
> Tcp LISTENING localhost 138
> Tcp LISTENING localhost nbsession
> Tcp ESTABLISHED localhost 1394 hsb03aec-pub.bellsouth.net
> is at port: 7797 (I think this is the one)
> Tcp ESTABLISHED localhost 1025 localhost is at port: 19999
> Tcp LISTENING localhost 1037
> Tcp LISTENING localhost 1117
> Tcp LISTENING localhost 1159
> Tcp ESTABLISHED localhost 1159 localhost 1160
> Tcp ESTABLISHED localhost 1160 localhost 1159
> Tcp LISTENING localhost 5180
> Tcp LISTENING localhost 8080
> Tcp TIME_WAIT localhost 8080
> Tcp LISTENING localhost 8880
> Tcp LISTENING localhost 19999
> Tcp ESTABLISHED localhost 19999 localhost
> 1025
> Tcp LISTENING localhost 137
> Tcp LISTENING localhost 138
> Tcp LISTENING localhost nbsession
> Udp localhost nbname
> Udp localhost nbdatagram
> Udp localhost 1037
> Udp localhost 1117
> Udp localhost nbname
> Udp localhost nbdatagram
>
> I understand that there are two major on-net DNS servers, and i believe I
> am
> using the one called "WIN" something. Could my ISP also have one local?
>
> The reason i ask that last question is that for the last two cold boots, i
> find that if I initially call a page like Yahoo through my ISP, then
> purely
> external calls thereafter (like radio@netscape) go just fine.
>
> Netbios support for TCP/IP applications is enabled and grayed out as such.
> (under TCP/IP dial-up adapter under network options out of control panel)
>
> (As before, I am unsure of my terminology here)
>
>
> Thanks for the response,
>
> FACE
>
>
hiya,

you say your DNS is servedup on port 8080 from your ISP ? and things seem to
work after making an intial connection...

this line indicates to me that there is some sort of timeout/delay
connecting for DNS

Tcp LISTENING localhost 8080
Tcp TIME_WAIT localhost 8080

but once connected it is working ....maybe you should contact your ISP in
regards to a connection/authorization type delay.

"weatherbug" is a little program that serves up climate conditions in your
area (usually sitting on the tskbar somewhere)

if you want to do a little reading on the topic (you may find something
missed :> )

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...7/wrkappf.mspx

watch out the link doesn't wrap on you

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:11:11 -0400, "Haggis"
<(E-Mail Removed)> in microsoft.public.win98.networking wrote:

>
>"FACE" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .

>
>you say your DNS is servedup on port 8080 from your ISP ? and things seem to
>work after making an intial connection...
>
True, with my own local HOSTS file being the first line DNS for resolution.
But I do not use my local HOSTS file for positive DNS resolution on internet
sites, only for the negative resolution of known adserver domain names for
redirection to local. <I really hope that last sentence is coherent <G>>

>this line indicates to me that there is some sort of timeout/delay
>connecting for DNS
>
>Tcp LISTENING localhost 8080
>Tcp TIME_WAIT localhost 8080
>
>but once connected it is working ....maybe you should contact your ISP in
>regards to a connection/authorization type delay.
>

OK, that is something else for me to go on. I had seen the TIME_WAIT
connections before I ever made the DNS enable changes in Network Options.
I know that my ISP polls the lines and will drop line if inactivity is
detected for a given amount of time -- they admitted that. Perhaps they
have a local (actually on my machine) timer sending info.

>"weatherbug" is a little program that serves up climate conditions in your
>area (usually sitting on the tskbar somewhere)
>

Yes. It is reading 39 degrees right now, i was unsure if it would be common
though, so I generic-ized it's description. <G>

>if you want to do a little reading on the topic (you may find something
>missed :> )
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...7/wrkappf.mspx
>
>watch out the link doesn't wrap on you
>
Thanks. Got it in full. Sometimes it's a good idea to leave wordwrap off in
the newsreader.

I originally enabled DNS checking in Network Options partially on the basis
of that article. I have had a feeling for several days that i might have
misinterpreted the following paragraph from that article:

"Important To use the HOSTS file for name resolution, the Enable DNS
option must be selected. To do this, use the DNS Configuration tab in TCP/IP
properties in the Network option in Control Panel. "

[Commentary -- this all started because i wanted to block advertising
pop-ups by address but did not want to block all pop-ups since some
informational boxes act as pop-ups.]

In any event, I do appreciate your input on this strangely intermittent
problem. (I just hate intermittent computer problems! -- they are hard to
track down.)

Cheers,

FACE