Being Invisible & cards for Mandrake

My questions are two fold one isn't related to the other.

1: I have been playing around with my network settings and such. I
was wondering if it was possible to connect to a WAP without the router
seeing your computer name, MAC address or IP address. Basically being
"invisible" to the AP, but without changing settings on the router
itself. All done from the laptop. Any suggestions?

2: Dual boot XP/Mandrake 10.1, trying to phase out XP. Card d-link
card (DWL-G630) has no linux drivers (bummer). Any decent cards that
will work with both OS's?

Thanks,
Blake



Cajman

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:28:35 -0700, Cajman wrote:

> My questions are two fold one isn't related to the other.
>
> 1: I have been playing around with my network settings and such. I
> was wondering if it was possible to connect to a WAP without the router
> seeing your computer name, MAC address or IP address. Basically being
> "invisible" to the AP, but without changing settings on the router
> itself. All done from the laptop. Any suggestions?
>
> 2: Dual boot XP/Mandrake 10.1, trying to phase out XP. Card d-link
> card (DWL-G630) has no linux drivers (bummer). Any decent cards that
> will work with both OS's?
>
> Thanks,
> Blake

The DLINK should work with Linux using ndiswrapper
(ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net) that uses the XP drivers. ndiswrapper has
WPA support also.

> 1: I have been playing around with my network settings and such. I
> was wondering if it was possible to connect to a WAP without the router
> seeing your computer name, MAC address or IP address. Basically being
> "invisible" to the AP, but without changing settings on the router
> itself. All done from the laptop. Any suggestions?

Why would you want to do that?

In short, no unless you can rewrite both the spec for the ethernet
protocols otherwise you're going to have a bit of a job if you want to
communicate with the AP since your MAC address must be known by the AP.

You're also confusing the terminology, a WAP (you mean an Access Point
presumably?) isn't a router.

An AP isn't interested in layer 3 protocols anyway so doesn't even know
about your IP address. The router on the other hand by definition is a
layer 3 device so *must* know about your IP address.

If you're trying to download kiddie porn or send spam, just drive to the
nearest open AP and don't spend too long connected.

Kiddie porn? If I wanted that I would use proxie servers and not care
about the wireless router
Spam? Why not just use nmap to find open ports (25) and find the
easiest one to hack, then send my spam.

Dude, you go me so wrong. I'll come clean though. Sneario: College
undergrad, Internet been down for a long time and not getting fixed for
a long time.

I'm using my neighbors bandwith to do my online homeworks (and post to
usnet groups) without their knowledge of course.

That's why I wanted to know if it was possible. I had figured that the
AP *had* to know my mac and IP address. How would it know which
machine the packets belonged to????

Just try not making premature judgements on my character w/o proper
information, it's ludacris. Anyways, thanks for the info, I thought
*all* protocols were 7 layers like TCP/IP and UDP (correct me if I'm
wrong).

Thanks, Blake

thanks johnny, I'll give that a shot

Blake

On 24 Aug 2005 19:28:35 -0700, "Cajman" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>1: I have been playing around with my network settings and such. I
>was wondering if it was possible to connect to a WAP without the router
>seeing your computer name, MAC address or IP address.

Nope. You have to be in the routers ARP table in order to use the
router. You could easily hide the computer name by turning off all
server broadcasts and block NETBIOS ports. However, the MAC address
will be in all wireless packets (bridging) between you and the
wireless access point. The IP addresses will be encapsulated inside
the 802.11 packets. Fire up Ethereal and see for yourself.

>Basically being
>"invisible" to the AP, but without changing settings on the router
>itself. All done from the laptop. Any suggestions?

A program like AirSnare:
http://home.comcast.net/~jay.deboer/airsnare/
will see you instantly.

>2: Dual boot XP/Mandrake 10.1, trying to phase out XP.

Good plan. I'm partial to Novell/Suse 9.3 this week.

>Card d-link
>card (DWL-G630) has no linux drivers (bummer). Any decent cards that
>will work with both OS's?

As others have suggested, NDISWrapper should work. Hmmm... not listed
in the chipset directory:
http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz

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> Just try not making premature judgements on my character w/o proper
> information, it's ludacris. Anyways, thanks for the info, I thought

I chose two examples, what you're doing is still illegal.

> *all* protocols were 7 layers like TCP/IP and UDP (correct me if I'm
> wrong).

TCP/IP is a 4 layer model.

David.

> That's why I wanted to know if it was possible. I had figured that the
> AP *had* to know my mac and IP address. How would it know which
> machine the packets belonged to????

The only thing that you *can* do is clone the MAC address of your
neighbours client machine.

David.

David Taylor wrote:

>> Just try not making premature judgements on my character w/o proper
>> information, it's ludacris. Anyways, thanks for the info, I thought
>
> I chose two examples, what you're doing is still illegal.
>
>> *all* protocols were 7 layers like TCP/IP and UDP (correct me if I'm
>> wrong).
>
> TCP/IP is a 4 layer model.
>
Hey, he's still in college - he hasn't got that far yet :-)
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derek

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:05:17 GMT, David Taylor <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>> Just try not making premature judgements on my character w/o proper
>> information, it's ludacris. Anyways, thanks for the info, I thought
>
>I chose two examples, what you're doing is still illegal.
>
>> *all* protocols were 7 layers like TCP/IP and UDP (correct me if I'm
>> wrong).
>
>TCP/IP is a 4 layer model.

5 layer:
http://www.et.put.poznan.pl/tcpip/ar...chi_layers.htm

However, there are additional layers not shown. The missing layers
are "user", "money", "politics", and "religion". The user layer is
responsible for reducing the reliability sufficiently to justify my
profession. The money layer is designed to restrict growth and
reliability in a controlled manner. The political and religous layers
are responsible for generating broadcast storms and usenet
discussions, which are uniquely identified by their lack of payload or
content.


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