found AP

hi all.

i have just downloaded netstumbler. and it has found a new AP. ( not mine )

how would i go about connecting to this?

it is protected by WEP.

any ideas?




Peter Taylor

In article <%iGKb.18978$(E-Mail Removed)>,
Peter Taylor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
:hi all.

:i have just downloaded netstumbler. and it has found a new AP. ( not mine )

:how would i go about connecting to this?

:it is protected by WEP.

:any ideas?

Step 1: Use RF location techniques to figure out where the signal
is coming from.

Step 2: Buy a case of Guinness, box of bickies, or other desirable
substance according to the preveiling tastes of the area;

Step 3: Knock on the door and offer to exchange commodity from
step #2 in return for access to the AP.


Your ISP appears to be in the UK. If you are located in the UK,
then using someone's network without permission would probably
be contrary to the law. And if you are in the USA instead,
we're still arguing about the legal status if the network were
unprotected, but bypassing known protections would be contrary
to US Federal law [unless said computer was never used to
contact systems in another state; if it's all within one state,
then it would be up to state law.]
--
Oh, to be a Blobel!

"Walter Roberson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:btffnk$nff$(E-Mail Removed)...
> In article <%iGKb.18978$(E-Mail Removed)>,
> Peter Taylor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> :hi all.
>
> :i have just downloaded netstumbler. and it has found a new AP. ( not
mine )
>
> :how would i go about connecting to this?
>
> :it is protected by WEP.
>
> :any ideas?
>
> Step 1: Use RF location techniques to figure out where the signal
> is coming from.
>
> Step 2: Buy a case of Guinness, box of bickies, or other desirable
> substance according to the preveiling tastes of the area;
>
> Step 3: Knock on the door and offer to exchange commodity from
> step #2 in return for access to the AP.
>
>
> Your ISP appears to be in the UK. If you are located in the UK,
> then using someone's network without permission would probably
> be contrary to the law. And if you are in the USA instead,
> we're still arguing about the legal status if the network were
> unprotected, but bypassing known protections would be contrary
> to US Federal law [unless said computer was never used to
> contact systems in another state; if it's all within one state,
> then it would be up to state law.]
> --> Oh, to be a Blobel!

LOL same old debate

ok, good reply. signal is at 40% so i'm guessing its not that far away.

has anyone actually proved that it is against UK law? does it specifically
coved WiFi?


"Trai' La Trash" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:btft5j$6il22$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Walter Roberson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:btffnk$nff$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > In article <%iGKb.18978$(E-Mail Removed)>,
> > Peter Taylor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > :hi all.
> >
> > :i have just downloaded netstumbler. and it has found a new AP. ( not
> mine )
> >
> > :how would i go about connecting to this?
> >
> > :it is protected by WEP.
> >
> > :any ideas?
> >
> > Step 1: Use RF location techniques to figure out where the signal
> > is coming from.
> >
> > Step 2: Buy a case of Guinness, box of bickies, or other desirable
> > substance according to the preveiling tastes of the area;
> >
> > Step 3: Knock on the door and offer to exchange commodity from
> > step #2 in return for access to the AP.
> >
> >
> > Your ISP appears to be in the UK. If you are located in the UK,
> > then using someone's network without permission would probably
> > be contrary to the law. And if you are in the USA instead,
> > we're still arguing about the legal status if the network were
> > unprotected, but bypassing known protections would be contrary
> > to US Federal law [unless said computer was never used to
> > contact systems in another state; if it's all within one state,
> > then it would be up to state law.]
> > --> Oh, to be a Blobel!
>
> LOL same old debate
>
>

Peter Taylor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> ok, good reply. signal is at 40% so i'm guessing its not that far away.
>
> has anyone actually proved that it is against UK law? does it specifically
> coved WiFi?

Computer Misuse Act.
http://www.ja.net/CERT/JANET_CERT/law/cma.html

It's an offence to knowingly without authorisation alter or read
information on a computer. (to summarise an offence under part 1)

When you use a AP, you are modifying the data stored in it as your packets
go through.

The fact that WEP is in use would mean that it would be very hard for
you to argue that you thought the owner intended for you to use it.
And your post even harder.

I think there is also legislation that would make the act of cracking the
WEP code a seperate offence, but my brain is not cooperating.

"Peter Taylor" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<BpNKb.19036$(E-Mail Removed)>.. .
> ok, good reply. signal is at 40% so i'm guessing its not that far away.
>
> has anyone actually proved that it is against UK law? does it specifically
> coved WiFi?
>
>
> "Trai' La Trash" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:btft5j$6il22$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > "Walter Roberson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:btffnk$nff$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > In article <%iGKb.18978$(E-Mail Removed)>,
> > > Peter Taylor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > > :hi all.
>
> > > :i have just downloaded netstumbler. and it has found a new AP. ( not
> mine )
>
> > > :how would i go about connecting to this?
>
> > > :it is protected by WEP.
>
> > > :any ideas?
> > >
> > > Step 1: Use RF location techniques to figure out where the signal
> > > is coming from.
> > >
> > > Step 2: Buy a case of Guinness, box of bickies, or other desirable
> > > substance according to the preveiling tastes of the area;
> > >
> > > Step 3: Knock on the door and offer to exchange commodity from
> > > step #2 in return for access to the AP.
> > >
> > >
> > > Your ISP appears to be in the UK. If you are located in the UK,
> > > then using someone's network without permission would probably
> > > be contrary to the law. And if you are in the USA instead,
> > > we're still arguing about the legal status if the network were
> > > unprotected, but bypassing known protections would be contrary
> > > to US Federal law [unless said computer was never used to
> > > contact systems in another state; if it's all within one state,
> > > then it would be up to state law.]
> > > --> Oh, to be a Blobel!
> >
> > LOL same old debate
> >
> >

I would be very surprised if a law has been passed in the UK yet
covering WiFi. I haven't heard of such a law. We usually lag well
behind the US on these sort of issues. Mind you, be careful using
someone else's AP for free, as this government is very quick to
introduce new stealth taxes and you would probably have to pay extra
tax for receiving "benefit-in-kind"!!!!!

Pete

Ian Stirling <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Peter Taylor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> ok, good reply. signal is at 40% so i'm guessing its not that far away.
>>
>> has anyone actually proved that it is against UK law? does it specifically
>> coved WiFi?
>
> Computer Misuse Act.
> http://www.ja.net/CERT/JANET_CERT/law/cma.html
>
> It's an offence to knowingly without authorisation alter or read
> information on a computer. (to summarise an offence under part 1)
>
> When you use a AP, you are modifying the data stored in it as your packets
> go through.
>
> The fact that WEP is in use would mean that it would be very hard for
> you to argue that you thought the owner intended for you to use it.
> And your post even harder.
>
> I think there is also legislation that would make the act of cracking the
> WEP code a seperate offence, but my brain is not cooperating.

I think I'm thinking of "Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act", which
allows various govermental agencies to snoop on networks if they have
completed the appropriate paperwork.
As you have not completed that paperwork, it's probably an offence.

i was thinking that aswel. i would have thought a new law like this would
have been well documented. and as an AP is not technically a computer would
it come under the computers misuse act?


"Pete Mainwaring" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> "Peter Taylor" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:<BpNKb.19036$(E-Mail Removed)>.. .
> > ok, good reply. signal is at 40% so i'm guessing its not that far away.
> >
> > has anyone actually proved that it is against UK law? does it
specifically
> > coved WiFi?
> >
> >
> > "Trai' La Trash" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:btft5j$6il22$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >
> > > "Walter Roberson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:btffnk$nff$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > In article <%iGKb.18978$(E-Mail Removed)>,
> > > > Peter Taylor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > > > :hi all.
> >
> > > > :i have just downloaded netstumbler. and it has found a new AP. (
not
> > mine )
> >
> > > > :how would i go about connecting to this?
> >
> > > > :it is protected by WEP.
> >
> > > > :any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Step 1: Use RF location techniques to figure out where the signal
> > > > is coming from.
> > > >
> > > > Step 2: Buy a case of Guinness, box of bickies, or other desirable
> > > > substance according to the preveiling tastes of the area;
> > > >
> > > > Step 3: Knock on the door and offer to exchange commodity from
> > > > step #2 in return for access to the AP.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your ISP appears to be in the UK. If you are located in the UK,
> > > > then using someone's network without permission would probably
> > > > be contrary to the law. And if you are in the USA instead,
> > > > we're still arguing about the legal status if the network were
> > > > unprotected, but bypassing known protections would be contrary
> > > > to US Federal law [unless said computer was never used to
> > > > contact systems in another state; if it's all within one state,
> > > > then it would be up to state law.]
> > > > --> Oh, to be a Blobel!
> > >
> > > LOL same old debate
> > >
> > >
>
> I would be very surprised if a law has been passed in the UK yet
> covering WiFi. I haven't heard of such a law. We usually lag well
> behind the US on these sort of issues. Mind you, be careful using
> someone else's AP for free, as this government is very quick to
> introduce new stealth taxes and you would probably have to pay extra
> tax for receiving "benefit-in-kind"!!!!!
>
> Pete

Peter Taylor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> i was thinking that aswel. i would have thought a new law like this would
> have been well documented. and as an AP is not technically a computer would
> it come under the computers misuse act?
>
<snip quoted message incorrectly placed at bottom>

It certainly is a computer, running a specialised program.
My Linksys WRT54G runs linux. (out of the box)

I can even compile and run programs of my own design on it.
It only differs from my laptop by being somewhat slower, and lacking
stuff like batteries and ports to connect stuff, and having lots less RAM.

I would have been overjoyed to get a computer of this speed back when I was
using a 486.

However, even if an AP is not a computer, you then move the offence one
link up the chain to the computers at the ISP.