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Old 01-31-2005, 09:51 PM
Default Two switch routers...



I have run out of ports on my switch router - a linksys BEFSR41

I am with Blueyonder. The switchrouter works a treat. I have a spare
BEFSR41 switch router.

If I could daisy chain this off the existing switch, that would be
fab. Ideally I want all PCs to be able to share files and resources.

Is it just a case of disabling NAT on the daisychained switch. Would
this allow PCs connected to the daisychained switch to get there DHCP
address from the parent switch?

If I don't disable NAT on the child switch, would PCs connected to the
child be able to see the parent and vice versa?


Schematic below (for those with fixed width fonts)

CM---- SwitchRouter 1 ------------ Switchrouter 2 ----------- PC
! !
------ PC --------------------- PC
! !
------ PC --------------------- PC
! !
------ PC --------------------- PC



Hints, tips and advice welcomed.

Thanks

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Old 01-31-2005, 11:58 PM
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:51:14 +0000, Nozza
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>Hints, tips and advice welcomed.
>

Turn off DHCP on 2nd router, connect one of the LAN ports on the 1st
router to one of the LAN ports on the 2nd router.

Sorted.

Alternatively, buy a cheap 100Mbps hub from ebuyer or somesuch place.
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Old 02-01-2005, 01:17 AM
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"Lurch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:51:14 +0000, Nozza
> <(E-Mail Removed)> strung together this:
>
> >Hints, tips and advice welcomed.

>
> Turn off DHCP on 2nd router, connect one of the LAN ports on the 1st
> router to one of the LAN ports on the 2nd router.
>
> Sorted.


Almost sorted. The OP also needs to configure the routers with different LAN
addresses. It would be a good idea to configure the 1st router's DHCP server
to have a DHCP range that excludes the address of the 2nd router, although
it's unlikely to be necessary.

To connect the routers together, the OP might need to use a cross-over
cable.

Alex


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Old 02-01-2005, 11:44 AM
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 01:17:38 -0000, "Alex Fraser" <(E-Mail Removed)>
strung together this:

>Almost sorted. The OP also needs to configure the routers with different LAN
>addresses. It would be a good idea to configure the 1st router's DHCP server
>to have a DHCP range that excludes the address of the 2nd router, although
>it's unlikely to be necessary.
>

Pardon? If the OP is using the 2nd router as a simple hub\switch then
there's no need to do anything other than plug it in.
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Old 02-01-2005, 12:50 PM
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In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "Lurch"
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> On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 01:17:38 -0000, "Alex Fraser" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> strung together this:
>
> >Almost sorted. The OP also needs to configure the routers with different LAN
> >addresses. It would be a good idea to configure the 1st router's DHCP server
> >to have a DHCP range that excludes the address of the 2nd router, although
> >it's unlikely to be necessary.
> >

> Pardon? If the OP is using the 2nd router as a simple hub\switch then
> there's no need to do anything other than plug it in.
>

But a router has an address on the LAN, and many routers will by
default have the same address.
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Old 02-01-2005, 01:16 PM
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:50:38 -0000, Rob Morley <(E-Mail Removed)>
strung together this:

>But a router has an address on the LAN, and many routers will by
>default have the same address.


Gotchya, feeling a bit under the weather today, hence I'm being a bit
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Old 02-01-2005, 01:26 PM
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"Rob Morley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "Lurch"
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> > On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 01:17:38 -0000, "Alex Fraser" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> > strung together this:
> >
> > >Almost sorted. The OP also needs to configure the routers with
> > >different LAN addresses.

[snip]
> > Pardon? If the OP is using the 2nd router as a simple hub\switch then
> > there's no need to do anything other than plug it in.

>
> But a router has an address on the LAN, and many routers will by
> default have the same address.


Plus the OP said the routers were both the same model, which virtually
guarantees they will have the same default address.

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Old 02-01-2005, 03:09 PM
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> > But a router has an address on the LAN, and many routers will by
> > default have the same address.

>
> Plus the OP said the routers were both the same model, which virtually
> guarantees they will have the same default address.
>
> Alex
>

Are you sure? I thought routers could be configured to get their own
address from the upstream DHCP server? Can you not disable DHCP
independently for the upstream (i.e. get this router an address) and the
downstream (this router gives out addresses for the computers connected to
it).

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Old 02-01-2005, 03:16 PM
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Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Tue, 1 Feb
2005 15:09:25 -0000, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.comp.home-networking, yawatina tan reek esk "Paul D.Smith"
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>Are you sure? I thought routers could be configured to get their own
>address from the upstream DHCP server?


Yes, but that is only on the WAN side. The routers have two IPs - the
internal LAN one (192.168.1.1, typically) and the upstream DHCP assigned WAN
one. You would have to manually change one of the routers to have a LAN IP of
something other than 192.168.1.1, ideally something not in the DHCP range of
the other router.

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Old 02-01-2005, 05:18 PM
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I'm appreciating all the feedback - please carry on!

Specially interested to know whether all pcs would be able to see each
other if they have different "subnets".

Ciao for now

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