Router Bandwidth Sharing ?

I have a D-Link DI-604 Ethernet Broadband Router connected to my 1MB
Broadband Modem. The router is also connected to two PCs, call them PC1 and
PC2. When PC2 is downloading music / video and playing on-line games, PC1's
net performance is pretty poor. Also if PC1 sends an e-mail with a big
attachment (2Mb), then PC2's net performance degrades. I thought that
routers gave equal bandwidth to each user, but my experience is not the
case. Is there any settings on the router or the PCs which could result in
a fairer split of resources. By the way, PC1 uses Norton Anti Virus and
Norton Internet Security and PC2 uses NAV and Zone Alarm.

TIA

Ian




Wolfy

"Wolfy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:PqrBb.2401$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have a D-Link DI-604 Ethernet Broadband Router connected to my 1MB
> Broadband Modem. The router is also connected to two PCs, call them PC1
and
> PC2. When PC2 is downloading music / video and playing on-line games,
PC1's
> net performance is pretty poor. Also if PC1 sends an e-mail with a big
> attachment (2Mb), then PC2's net performance degrades. I thought that
> routers gave equal bandwidth to each user, but my experience is not the
> case. Is there any settings on the router or the PCs which could result
in
> a fairer split of resources. By the way, PC1 uses Norton Anti Virus and
> Norton Internet Security and PC2 uses NAV and Zone Alarm.
>
> TIA
>
> Ian
>

No. Not unless it has QoS or traffic shaping in it.

What you might want to do is download NetLimiter from www.netlimiter.com.
With Netlimiter, you can set programs bandwidth allowance as they are used.

So for example, I could open up OE and Netlimiter will automatically detect
it. I could then set the maximum upload or download to whatever I want...
e.g. 50k.sec down and say 10k/sec up

It's not the most versatile but it works a treat
>

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:48:18 +0000, Wolfy wrote:

> I have a D-Link DI-604 Ethernet Broadband Router connected to my 1MB
> Broadband Modem. The router is also connected to two PCs, call them PC1
> and PC2. When PC2 is downloading music / video and playing on-line games,
> PC1's net performance is pretty poor. Also if PC1 sends an e-mail with a
> big attachment (2Mb), then PC2's net performance degrades. I thought that
> routers gave equal bandwidth to each user, but my experience is not the
> case. Is there any settings on the router or the PCs which could result
> in a fairer split of resources. By the way, PC1 uses Norton Anti Virus
> and Norton Internet Security and PC2 uses NAV and Zone Alarm.
>
> TIA
>
> Ian

Are both PC1 and PC2 using the router directly. You haven't got ICS
(Internet Connection Sharing) enabled on PC1. The default gateway setting
on both PC's needs to be set to the router's IP address.

The router should roughly share available bandwidth equally, Try
downloading a large file to both PC's from the same location at the same
time. It should arrive at both PC's more or less simultaneously.

Graham

"Graham" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:48:18 +0000, Wolfy wrote:
>
> > I have a D-Link DI-604 Ethernet Broadband Router connected to my 1MB
> > Broadband Modem. The router is also connected to two PCs, call them PC1
> > and PC2. When PC2 is downloading music / video and playing on-line
games,
> > PC1's net performance is pretty poor. Also if PC1 sends an e-mail with
a
> > big attachment (2Mb), then PC2's net performance degrades. I thought
that
> > routers gave equal bandwidth to each user, but my experience is not the
> > case. Is there any settings on the router or the PCs which could result
> > in a fairer split of resources. By the way, PC1 uses Norton Anti Virus
> > and Norton Internet Security and PC2 uses NAV and Zone Alarm.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Ian
>
> Are both PC1 and PC2 using the router directly. You haven't got ICS
> (Internet Connection Sharing) enabled on PC1. The default gateway setting
> on both PC's needs to be set to the router's IP address.
>
> The router should roughly share available bandwidth equally, Try
> downloading a large file to both PC's from the same location at the same
> time. It should arrive at both PC's more or less simultaneously.
>
> Graham
>
>
>
Graham:
I am not sure which addresses to put where in the properties of the NIC on
my PCs. Below is a cut from the WAN status page of the router, and below
that is the LAN status page.

System Status
Item WAN Status Sidenote
Remaining Lease Time 20:26:09
IP Address 82.32.30.156
Subnet Mask 255.255.248.0
Gateway 82.32.24.1
Domain Name Server 62.31.176.39, 194.117.134.19
Firmware version 1.62 build 2
MAC Address 00-90-27-D1-89-8E


LAN Settings
Item Setting
LAN IP Address
DHCP Server Enabled Disabled
IP Pool Starting Address
IP Pool Ending Address
Domain Name


The NIC Properties are currently set to 'automatically detect', but for
manual settings it needs the following for which I could guess at the
settings.

IP Address 192.168.0.1
Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
Defualt Gateway 82.32.24.1

Prefered DNS Server 62.31.176.39
Alternate DNS Server 194.117.134.19

Would these settings be correct ?

Ian

"Wolfy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Graham" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news(E-Mail Removed)...
> > On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:48:18 +0000, Wolfy wrote:
> >
> > > I have a D-Link DI-604 Ethernet Broadband Router connected to my 1MB
> > > Broadband Modem. The router is also connected to two PCs, call them
PC1
> > > and PC2. When PC2 is downloading music / video and playing on-line
> games,
> > > PC1's net performance is pretty poor. Also if PC1 sends an e-mail
with
> a
> > > big attachment (2Mb), then PC2's net performance degrades. I thought
> that
> > > routers gave equal bandwidth to each user, but my experience is not
the
> > > case. Is there any settings on the router or the PCs which could
result
> > > in a fairer split of resources. By the way, PC1 uses Norton Anti
Virus
> > > and Norton Internet Security and PC2 uses NAV and Zone Alarm.
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > Ian
> >
> > Are both PC1 and PC2 using the router directly. You haven't got ICS
> > (Internet Connection Sharing) enabled on PC1. The default gateway
setting
> > on both PC's needs to be set to the router's IP address.
> >
> > The router should roughly share available bandwidth equally, Try
> > downloading a large file to both PC's from the same location at the same
> > time. It should arrive at both PC's more or less simultaneously.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> >
> >
> Graham:
> I am not sure which addresses to put where in the properties of the NIC on
> my PCs. Below is a cut from the WAN status page of the router, and below
> that is the LAN status page.
>
> System Status
> Item WAN Status Sidenote
> Remaining Lease Time 20:26:09
> IP Address 82.32.30.156
> Subnet Mask 255.255.248.0
> Gateway 82.32.24.1
> Domain Name Server 62.31.176.39, 194.117.134.19
> Firmware version 1.62 build 2
> MAC Address 00-90-27-D1-89-8E
>
>
> LAN Settings
> Item Setting
> LAN IP Address
> DHCP Server Enabled Disabled
> IP Pool Starting Address
> IP Pool Ending Address
> Domain Name
>
>
> The NIC Properties are currently set to 'automatically detect', but for
> manual settings it needs the following for which I could guess at the
> settings.
>
> IP Address 192.168.0.1
> Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
> Defualt Gateway 82.32.24.1
>
> Prefered DNS Server 62.31.176.39
> Alternate DNS Server 194.117.134.19
>
> Would these settings be correct ?
>
> Ian
>
Sorry... The copy of the screen did not appear on the last post. The other
details are:
LAN IP Address 192.168.0.1

Ian

In article <PqrBb.2401$(E-Mail Removed)>, "Wolfy"
(E-Mail Removed) says...
> I have a D-Link DI-604 Ethernet Broadband Router connected to my 1MB
> Broadband Modem. The router is also connected to two PCs, call them PC1 and
> PC2. When PC2 is downloading music / video and playing on-line games, PC1's
> net performance is pretty poor. Also if PC1 sends an e-mail with a big
> attachment (2Mb), then PC2's net performance degrades. I thought that
> routers gave equal bandwidth to each user, but my experience is not the
> case.

The router doesn't really know about bandwidth. Basically it routes
each packet in turn, and when one machine is sending or receiving large
packets (e.g. a large FTP transfer) any small packets (e.g. telnet,
email, web browsing) to/from the other machine have to wait in line.

> Is there any settings on the router or the PCs which could result in
> a fairer split of resources.

What you need is a traffic-shaping facility - industrial-grade routers
from the likes of Cisco can do this, as can a Linux router (and probably
the BSDs too).

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:53:08 +0000, Wolfy wrote:

>
> "Wolfy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:Hh7Cb.28911$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> "Graham" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:48:18 +0000, Wolfy wrote:
>> >
>> > > I have a D-Link DI-604 Ethernet Broadband Router connected to my 1MB
>> > > Broadband Modem. The router is also connected to two PCs, call them
> PC1
>> > > and PC2. When PC2 is downloading music / video and playing on-line
>> games,
>> > > PC1's net performance is pretty poor. Also if PC1 sends an e-mail
> with
>> a
>> > > big attachment (2Mb), then PC2's net performance degrades. I
>> > > thought
>> that
>> > > routers gave equal bandwidth to each user, but my experience is not
> the
>> > > case. Is there any settings on the router or the PCs which could
> result
>> > > in a fairer split of resources. By the way, PC1 uses Norton Anti
> Virus
>> > > and Norton Internet Security and PC2 uses NAV and Zone Alarm.
>> > >
>> > > TIA
>> > >
>> > > Ian
>> >
>> > Are both PC1 and PC2 using the router directly. You haven't got ICS
>> > (Internet Connection Sharing) enabled on PC1. The default gateway
> setting
>> > on both PC's needs to be set to the router's IP address.
>> >
>> > The router should roughly share available bandwidth equally, Try
>> > downloading a large file to both PC's from the same location at the
>> > same time. It should arrive at both PC's more or less simultaneously.
>> >
>> > Graham
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Graham:
>> I am not sure which addresses to put where in the properties of the NIC
>> on my PCs. Below is a cut from the WAN status page of the router, and
>> below that is the LAN status page.
>>
>> System Status
>> Item WAN Status Sidenote
>> Remaining Lease Time 20:26:09
>> IP Address 82.32.30.156
>> Subnet Mask 255.255.248.0
>> Gateway 82.32.24.1
>> Domain Name Server 62.31.176.39, 194.117.134.19 Firmware version
>> 1.62 build 2
>> MAC Address 00-90-27-D1-89-8E
>>
>>
>> LAN Settings
>> Item Setting
>> LAN IP Address
>> DHCP Server Enabled Disabled
>> IP Pool Starting Address
>> IP Pool Ending Address
>> Domain Name
>>
>>
>> The NIC Properties are currently set to 'automatically detect', but for
>> manual settings it needs the following for which I could guess at the
>> settings.
>>
>> IP Address 192.168.0.1 Subnet Mask
>> 255.255.255.0 Defualt Gateway 82.32.24.1
>>
>> Prefered DNS Server 62.31.176.39 Alternate DNS Server
>> 194.117.134.19
>>
>> Would these settings be correct ?
>>
>> Ian
>>
> Sorry... The copy of the screen did not appear on the last post. The
> other details are:
> LAN IP Address 192.168.0.1
>
> Ian

All looks fine there. You need to look at PC2's network settings and make
sure the default gateway is set to 192.168.0.1. That means it is
connecting directly to the router for internet access and not via PC1.

Graham

Hi Ian,

I am also looking at this problems to limit my son's downloading of
'knitting patterns'. One thing I am looking at is the Linksys BEFSR81
router which has some quality of service prioritisation features - might be
worth a look at. What modem are you using with the Router as I am also
looking for a stand-alone modem unit?

Kind regards, Mike


"Wolfy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:PqrBb.2401$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have a D-Link DI-604 Ethernet Broadband Router connected to my 1MB
> Broadband Modem. The router is also connected to two PCs, call them PC1
and
> PC2. When PC2 is downloading music / video and playing on-line games,
PC1's
> net performance is pretty poor. Also if PC1 sends an e-mail with a big
> attachment (2Mb), then PC2's net performance degrades. I thought that
> routers gave equal bandwidth to each user, but my experience is not the
> case. Is there any settings on the router or the PCs which could result
in
> a fairer split of resources. By the way, PC1 uses Norton Anti Virus and
> Norton Internet Security and PC2 uses NAV and Zone Alarm.
>
> TIA
>
> Ian
>
>