MN-700 WITH XBOX DMZ

I have the Microsoft MN-700 wireless router and the MN-740
game adapter. I have everything configured as outlined in
the manuals. My problem is that Rainbow six 3 and Counter
Strike play fine but when I try to play Project Gotham
Racing 2, I get to the lobby and then I get disconnected
from the host. When I try to return it says "game session
no longer active." I've tried port forwarding 88 and
3074....no luck. Then I tried giving the xbox a static IP
and running a DMZ...no luck. I do have a question...when
setting up the xbox in DMZ with the MN-740 do I use the IP
of the xbox or the MN-740? The reason I ask this is
because I never see the IP of my xbox listed in my router
menu screen, just the IP of the MN-740. Any other
suggestions would be greatly appreciated my wife has had
it with me spending 4 days non-stop on this...lol Thanks


Ric

Ric, I run the same hardware, but have not placed anything in a DMZ (highly
recommend you don't because it opens your system to the Internet), and am
not using port forwarding. I just works without trying to overthink it.
Take a look at the Xbox Live! information:
http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq which in part says, ". . .
no port forwarding is required for Xbox Live to work . . . Port forwarding
is required only if you are running a proxy server or true firewall instead
of or in addition to a NAT." The MN-700 doesn't do the latter, so no
forwarding or DMZ is necessary.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

"Ric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:4c4001c3e463$44e06e00$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have the Microsoft MN-700 wireless router and the MN-740
> game adapter. I have everything configured as outlined in
> the manuals. My problem is that Rainbow six 3 and Counter
> Strike play fine but when I try to play Project Gotham
> Racing 2, I get to the lobby and then I get disconnected
> from the host. When I try to return it says "game session
> no longer active." I've tried port forwarding 88 and
> 3074....no luck. Then I tried giving the xbox a static IP
> and running a DMZ...no luck. I do have a question...when
> setting up the xbox in DMZ with the MN-740 do I use the IP
> of the xbox or the MN-740? The reason I ask this is
> because I never see the IP of my xbox listed in my router
> menu screen, just the IP of the MN-740. Any other
> suggestions would be greatly appreciated my wife has had
> it with me spending 4 days non-stop on this...lol Thanks

Chris,
Thanks for the reply. I agree that it is unwise to put
anything into a DMZ mode. However unlike your setup mine
doesn't "just work." I cannot connect to Project Gotham
Racing 2. I can however connect to my other games, with
those it does "Just Work." I wish I didn't have to even
think about it. In the past week I have learned more than
I ever wanted to know about networking and routers...LOL
Also just for your info the following post is quoted quite
frequently in other forums:

Microsoft is intentionally sending a spurious ICMP packet
to your router when it runs XBox Live Network - as a
warning about a problem that might happen later. This
(correctly) causes the some routers to terminate the
session. The ICMP packet was Microsoft's attempt to solve
another problem that routers from various companies were
having with their service and ICMP. Instead, it caused a
different problem.

Both problems may be fixed in the future, in the meantime,
you can try these steps to get routers that use filter
rules to connect to XBox Live Network.

Note that blocking ICMP - as recommended - in limited
situations may cause your router to intermittently
disconnect from the Internet. Also note that if you are
already using filters, you'll need to add the new filters
so that the existing ones continue working properly.
Support staff will not know how to solve this problem.

Upgrade to the latest router firmware.
Open ports 88 and 3074. Microsoft sources will say this is
unnecessary, however it is.)
This seems to be happening to me on this particular game.
By the way do you have this game? Does it work for you?
Maybe my router is defective.
Thanks,
Ric
>-----Original Message-----
>Ric, I run the same hardware, but have not placed
anything in a DMZ (highly
>recommend you don't because it opens your system to the
Internet), and am
>not using port forwarding. I just works without trying
to overthink it.
>Take a look at the Xbox Live! information:
>http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq which in
part says, ". . .
>no port forwarding is required for Xbox Live to
work . . . Port forwarding
>is required only if you are running a proxy server or
true firewall instead
>of or in addition to a NAT." The MN-700 doesn't do the
latter, so no
>forwarding or DMZ is necessary.
>--
>Chris H.
>Microsoft Windows MVP
>Associate Expert
>Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>"Ric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message
>news:4c4001c3e463$44e06e00$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I have the Microsoft MN-700 wireless router and the MN-
740
>> game adapter. I have everything configured as outlined
in
>> the manuals. My problem is that Rainbow six 3 and
Counter
>> Strike play fine but when I try to play Project Gotham
>> Racing 2, I get to the lobby and then I get disconnected
>> from the host. When I try to return it says "game
session
>> no longer active." I've tried port forwarding 88 and
>> 3074....no luck. Then I tried giving the xbox a static
IP
>> and running a DMZ...no luck. I do have a question...when
>> setting up the xbox in DMZ with the MN-740 do I use the
IP
>> of the xbox or the MN-740? The reason I ask this is
>> because I never see the IP of my xbox listed in my
router
>> menu screen, just the IP of the MN-740. Any other
>> suggestions would be greatly appreciated my wife has had
>> it with me spending 4 days non-stop on this...lol Thanks
>
>
>.
>

And that information may just be incorrect, Ric. I would again suggest you
run through the information here:
http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq and if that doesn't help
you, then call the support line. I'll dig through some more stuff, too, and
post back if I find anything else enlightening that is valid.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:51f501c3e4e6$1cd92630$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Chris,
> Thanks for the reply. I agree that it is unwise to put
> anything into a DMZ mode. However unlike your setup mine
> doesn't "just work." I cannot connect to Project Gotham
> Racing 2. I can however connect to my other games, with
> those it does "Just Work." I wish I didn't have to even
> think about it. In the past week I have learned more than
> I ever wanted to know about networking and routers...LOL
> Also just for your info the following post is quoted quite
> frequently in other forums:
>
> Microsoft is intentionally sending a spurious ICMP packet
> to your router when it runs XBox Live Network - as a
> warning about a problem that might happen later. This
> (correctly) causes the some routers to terminate the
> session. The ICMP packet was Microsoft's attempt to solve
> another problem that routers from various companies were
> having with their service and ICMP. Instead, it caused a
> different problem.
>
> Both problems may be fixed in the future, in the meantime,
> you can try these steps to get routers that use filter
> rules to connect to XBox Live Network.
>
> Note that blocking ICMP - as recommended - in limited
> situations may cause your router to intermittently
> disconnect from the Internet. Also note that if you are
> already using filters, you'll need to add the new filters
> so that the existing ones continue working properly.
> Support staff will not know how to solve this problem.
>
> Upgrade to the latest router firmware.
> Open ports 88 and 3074. Microsoft sources will say this is
> unnecessary, however it is.)
> This seems to be happening to me on this particular game.
> By the way do you have this game? Does it work for you?
> Maybe my router is defective.
> Thanks,
> Ric
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Ric, I run the same hardware, but have not placed
> anything in a DMZ (highly
> >recommend you don't because it opens your system to the
> Internet), and am
> >not using port forwarding. I just works without trying
> to overthink it.
> >Take a look at the Xbox Live! information:
> >http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq which in
> part says, ". . .
> >no port forwarding is required for Xbox Live to
> work . . . Port forwarding
> >is required only if you are running a proxy server or
> true firewall instead
> >of or in addition to a NAT." The MN-700 doesn't do the
> latter, so no
> >forwarding or DMZ is necessary.
> >--
> >Chris H.
> >Microsoft Windows MVP
> >Associate Expert
> >Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >
> >"Ric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message
> >news:4c4001c3e463$44e06e00$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> I have the Microsoft MN-700 wireless router and the MN-
> 740
> >> game adapter. I have everything configured as outlined
> in
> >> the manuals. My problem is that Rainbow six 3 and
> Counter
> >> Strike play fine but when I try to play Project Gotham
> >> Racing 2, I get to the lobby and then I get disconnected
> >> from the host. When I try to return it says "game
> session
> >> no longer active." I've tried port forwarding 88 and
> >> 3074....no luck. Then I tried giving the xbox a static
> IP
> >> and running a DMZ...no luck. I do have a question...when
> >> setting up the xbox in DMZ with the MN-740 do I use the
> IP
> >> of the xbox or the MN-740? The reason I ask this is
> >> because I never see the IP of my xbox listed in my
> router
> >> menu screen, just the IP of the MN-740. Any other
> >> suggestions would be greatly appreciated my wife has had
> >> it with me spending 4 days non-stop on this...lol Thanks
> >
> >
> >.
> >

Chris,
Thanks for your reply. The info might be incorrect,
however it is what's happening. I have been to the xbox
site numerous times, I think I have it memorized.
Additionally I have called Microsoft Support and when I
can talk to someone who speaks ENGLISH, they are no help
whatsoever. I am way beyond "resetting modem, resetting MN-
700, resetting MN-740, etc." I have been moved up the
chain of communication with Xbox, nothing. I have talked
with Sprint DSL help...nothing. I have spoke with
Earthlink support...nothing. Everyone keeps blaming the
other, you know the routine. The part that is frustrating
is that this of course happens to be my favorite
game...LOL. The other part is that it ran fine on a direct
connect (modem to xbox) connection before. The distance
from xbox to MN-700 is only 30 feet. I just didn't want
the cables. I figured with everything being Microsoft it
would gell.
>-----Original Message-----
>And that information may just be incorrect, Ric. I would
again suggest you
>run through the information here:
>http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq and if
that doesn't help
>you, then call the support line. I'll dig through some
more stuff, too, and
>post back if I find anything else enlightening that is
valid.
>--
>Chris H.
>Microsoft Windows MVP
>Associate Expert
>Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:51f501c3e4e6$1cd92630$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Chris,
>> Thanks for the reply. I agree that it is unwise to put
>> anything into a DMZ mode. However unlike your setup mine
>> doesn't "just work." I cannot connect to Project Gotham
>> Racing 2. I can however connect to my other games, with
>> those it does "Just Work." I wish I didn't have to even
>> think about it. In the past week I have learned more
than
>> I ever wanted to know about networking and routers...LOL
>> Also just for your info the following post is quoted
quite
>> frequently in other forums:
>>
>> Microsoft is intentionally sending a spurious ICMP
packet
>> to your router when it runs XBox Live Network - as a
>> warning about a problem that might happen later. This
>> (correctly) causes the some routers to terminate the
>> session. The ICMP packet was Microsoft's attempt to
solve
>> another problem that routers from various companies were
>> having with their service and ICMP. Instead, it caused a
>> different problem.
>>
>> Both problems may be fixed in the future, in the
meantime,
>> you can try these steps to get routers that use filter
>> rules to connect to XBox Live Network.
>>
>> Note that blocking ICMP - as recommended - in limited
>> situations may cause your router to intermittently
>> disconnect from the Internet. Also note that if you are
>> already using filters, you'll need to add the new
filters
>> so that the existing ones continue working properly.
>> Support staff will not know how to solve this problem.
>>
>> Upgrade to the latest router firmware.
>> Open ports 88 and 3074. Microsoft sources will say this
is
>> unnecessary, however it is.)
>> This seems to be happening to me on this particular
game.
>> By the way do you have this game? Does it work for you?
>> Maybe my router is defective.
>> Thanks,
>> Ric
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Ric, I run the same hardware, but have not placed
>> anything in a DMZ (highly
>> >recommend you don't because it opens your system to the
>> Internet), and am
>> >not using port forwarding. I just works without trying
>> to overthink it.
>> >Take a look at the Xbox Live! information:
>> >http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq which
in
>> part says, ". . .
>> >no port forwarding is required for Xbox Live to
>> work . . . Port forwarding
>> >is required only if you are running a proxy server or
>> true firewall instead
>> >of or in addition to a NAT." The MN-700 doesn't do the
>> latter, so no
>> >forwarding or DMZ is necessary.
>> >--
>> >Chris H.
>> >Microsoft Windows MVP
>> >Associate Expert
>> >Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >
>> >"Ric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> message
>> >news:4c4001c3e463$44e06e00$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> I have the Microsoft MN-700 wireless router and the
MN-
>> 740
>> >> game adapter. I have everything configured as
outlined
>> in
>> >> the manuals. My problem is that Rainbow six 3 and
>> Counter
>> >> Strike play fine but when I try to play Project
Gotham
>> >> Racing 2, I get to the lobby and then I get
disconnected
>> >> from the host. When I try to return it says "game
>> session
>> >> no longer active." I've tried port forwarding 88 and
>> >> 3074....no luck. Then I tried giving the xbox a
static
>> IP
>> >> and running a DMZ...no luck. I do have a
question...when
>> >> setting up the xbox in DMZ with the MN-740 do I use
the
>> IP
>> >> of the xbox or the MN-740? The reason I ask this is
>> >> because I never see the IP of my xbox listed in my
>> router
>> >> menu screen, just the IP of the MN-740. Any other
>> >> suggestions would be greatly appreciated my wife has
had
>> >> it with me spending 4 days non-stop on this...lol
Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

I'm out of fresh ideas right at the moment, Ric, but have you tried the Xbox
Live! forums? Perhaps someone else has run into the issue you're seeing.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

"Ric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:53c101c3e4f9$90948cf0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Chris,
> Thanks for your reply. The info might be incorrect,
> however it is what's happening. I have been to the xbox
> site numerous times, I think I have it memorized.
> Additionally I have called Microsoft Support and when I
> can talk to someone who speaks ENGLISH, they are no help
> whatsoever. I am way beyond "resetting modem, resetting MN-
> 700, resetting MN-740, etc." I have been moved up the
> chain of communication with Xbox, nothing. I have talked
> with Sprint DSL help...nothing. I have spoke with
> Earthlink support...nothing. Everyone keeps blaming the
> other, you know the routine. The part that is frustrating
> is that this of course happens to be my favorite
> game...LOL. The other part is that it ran fine on a direct
> connect (modem to xbox) connection before. The distance
> from xbox to MN-700 is only 30 feet. I just didn't want
> the cables. I figured with everything being Microsoft it
> would gell.
> >-----Original Message-----
> >And that information may just be incorrect, Ric. I would
> again suggest you
> >run through the information here:
> >http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq and if
> that doesn't help
> >you, then call the support line. I'll dig through some
> more stuff, too, and
> >post back if I find anything else enlightening that is
> valid.
> >--
> >Chris H.
> >Microsoft Windows MVP
> >Associate Expert
> >Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >
> ><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >news:51f501c3e4e6$1cd92630$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> Chris,
> >> Thanks for the reply. I agree that it is unwise to put
> >> anything into a DMZ mode. However unlike your setup mine
> >> doesn't "just work." I cannot connect to Project Gotham
> >> Racing 2. I can however connect to my other games, with
> >> those it does "Just Work." I wish I didn't have to even
> >> think about it. In the past week I have learned more
> than
> >> I ever wanted to know about networking and routers...LOL
> >> Also just for your info the following post is quoted
> quite
> >> frequently in other forums:
> >>
> >> Microsoft is intentionally sending a spurious ICMP
> packet
> >> to your router when it runs XBox Live Network - as a
> >> warning about a problem that might happen later. This
> >> (correctly) causes the some routers to terminate the
> >> session. The ICMP packet was Microsoft's attempt to
> solve
> >> another problem that routers from various companies were
> >> having with their service and ICMP. Instead, it caused a
> >> different problem.
> >>
> >> Both problems may be fixed in the future, in the
> meantime,
> >> you can try these steps to get routers that use filter
> >> rules to connect to XBox Live Network.
> >>
> >> Note that blocking ICMP - as recommended - in limited
> >> situations may cause your router to intermittently
> >> disconnect from the Internet. Also note that if you are
> >> already using filters, you'll need to add the new
> filters
> >> so that the existing ones continue working properly.
> >> Support staff will not know how to solve this problem.
> >>
> >> Upgrade to the latest router firmware.
> >> Open ports 88 and 3074. Microsoft sources will say this
> is
> >> unnecessary, however it is.)
> >> This seems to be happening to me on this particular
> game.
> >> By the way do you have this game? Does it work for you?
> >> Maybe my router is defective.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Ric
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Ric, I run the same hardware, but have not placed
> >> anything in a DMZ (highly
> >> >recommend you don't because it opens your system to the
> >> Internet), and am
> >> >not using port forwarding. I just works without trying
> >> to overthink it.
> >> >Take a look at the Xbox Live! information:
> >> >http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq which
> in
> >> part says, ". . .
> >> >no port forwarding is required for Xbox Live to
> >> work . . . Port forwarding
> >> >is required only if you are running a proxy server or
> >> true firewall instead
> >> >of or in addition to a NAT." The MN-700 doesn't do the
> >> latter, so no
> >> >forwarding or DMZ is necessary.
> >> >--
> >> >Chris H.
> >> >Microsoft Windows MVP
> >> >Associate Expert
> >> >Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >> >
> >> >"Ric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> >> message
> >> >news:4c4001c3e463$44e06e00$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >> I have the Microsoft MN-700 wireless router and the
> MN-
> >> 740
> >> >> game adapter. I have everything configured as
> outlined
> >> in
> >> >> the manuals. My problem is that Rainbow six 3 and
> >> Counter
> >> >> Strike play fine but when I try to play Project
> Gotham
> >> >> Racing 2, I get to the lobby and then I get
> disconnected
> >> >> from the host. When I try to return it says "game
> >> session
> >> >> no longer active." I've tried port forwarding 88 and
> >> >> 3074....no luck. Then I tried giving the xbox a
> static
> >> IP
> >> >> and running a DMZ...no luck. I do have a
> question...when
> >> >> setting up the xbox in DMZ with the MN-740 do I use
> the
> >> IP
> >> >> of the xbox or the MN-740? The reason I ask this is
> >> >> because I never see the IP of my xbox listed in my
> >> router
> >> >> menu screen, just the IP of the MN-740. Any other
> >> >> suggestions would be greatly appreciated my wife has
> had
> >> >> it with me spending 4 days non-stop on this...lol
> Thanks
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

Ric,
I was having the same problem with PGR2 when I joined a
session. I now host almost all my sessions and don't
usually have an issue. I have however had a problem
hosting now and then and what happens is when I am hosting
almost everyone in an 8 player race gets booted a couple
times. Then all of a sudden it just stops. I haven't had
an issue since I upgraded the firmware on the MN-740...Did
you upgrade the firmware? I am alos using a Linksys
Wireless G Router. Don't know if this helps at all. I hope
you get your problem fixed. Add me as a friend!

Gamertag: faustus


>-----Original Message-----
>I'm out of fresh ideas right at the moment, Ric, but have
you tried the Xbox
>Live! forums? Perhaps someone else has run into the
issue you're seeing.
>--
>Chris H.
>Microsoft Windows MVP
>Associate Expert
>Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>"Ric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message
>news:53c101c3e4f9$90948cf0$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Chris,
>> Thanks for your reply. The info might be incorrect,
>> however it is what's happening. I have been to the xbox
>> site numerous times, I think I have it memorized.
>> Additionally I have called Microsoft Support and when I
>> can talk to someone who speaks ENGLISH, they are no help
>> whatsoever. I am way beyond "resetting modem, resetting
MN-
>> 700, resetting MN-740, etc." I have been moved up the
>> chain of communication with Xbox, nothing. I have talked
>> with Sprint DSL help...nothing. I have spoke with
>> Earthlink support...nothing. Everyone keeps blaming the
>> other, you know the routine. The part that is
frustrating
>> is that this of course happens to be my favorite
>> game...LOL. The other part is that it ran fine on a
direct
>> connect (modem to xbox) connection before. The distance
>> from xbox to MN-700 is only 30 feet. I just didn't want
>> the cables. I figured with everything being Microsoft it
>> would gell.
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >And that information may just be incorrect, Ric. I
would
>> again suggest you
>> >run through the information here:
>> >http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq and
if
>> that doesn't help
>> >you, then call the support line. I'll dig through some
>> more stuff, too, and
>> >post back if I find anything else enlightening that is
>> valid.
>> >--
>> >Chris H.
>> >Microsoft Windows MVP
>> >Associate Expert
>> >Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >
>> ><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >news:51f501c3e4e6$1cd92630$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> Chris,
>> >> Thanks for the reply. I agree that it is unwise to
put
>> >> anything into a DMZ mode. However unlike your setup
mine
>> >> doesn't "just work." I cannot connect to Project
Gotham
>> >> Racing 2. I can however connect to my other games,
with
>> >> those it does "Just Work." I wish I didn't have to
even
>> >> think about it. In the past week I have learned more
>> than
>> >> I ever wanted to know about networking and
routers...LOL
>> >> Also just for your info the following post is quoted
>> quite
>> >> frequently in other forums:
>> >>
>> >> Microsoft is intentionally sending a spurious ICMP
>> packet
>> >> to your router when it runs XBox Live Network - as a
>> >> warning about a problem that might happen later. This
>> >> (correctly) causes the some routers to terminate the
>> >> session. The ICMP packet was Microsoft's attempt to
>> solve
>> >> another problem that routers from various companies
were
>> >> having with their service and ICMP. Instead, it
caused a
>> >> different problem.
>> >>
>> >> Both problems may be fixed in the future, in the
>> meantime,
>> >> you can try these steps to get routers that use
filter
>> >> rules to connect to XBox Live Network.
>> >>
>> >> Note that blocking ICMP - as recommended - in limited
>> >> situations may cause your router to intermittently
>> >> disconnect from the Internet. Also note that if you
are
>> >> already using filters, you'll need to add the new
>> filters
>> >> so that the existing ones continue working properly.
>> >> Support staff will not know how to solve this
problem.
>> >>
>> >> Upgrade to the latest router firmware.
>> >> Open ports 88 and 3074. Microsoft sources will say
this
>> is
>> >> unnecessary, however it is.)
>> >> This seems to be happening to me on this particular
>> game.
>> >> By the way do you have this game? Does it work for
you?
>> >> Maybe my router is defective.
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Ric
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >Ric, I run the same hardware, but have not placed
>> >> anything in a DMZ (highly
>> >> >recommend you don't because it opens your system to
the
>> >> Internet), and am
>> >> >not using port forwarding. I just works without
trying
>> >> to overthink it.
>> >> >Take a look at the Xbox Live! information:
>> >> >http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq
which
>> in
>> >> part says, ". . .
>> >> >no port forwarding is required for Xbox Live to
>> >> work . . . Port forwarding
>> >> >is required only if you are running a proxy server
or
>> >> true firewall instead
>> >> >of or in addition to a NAT." The MN-700 doesn't do
the
>> >> latter, so no
>> >> >forwarding or DMZ is necessary.
>> >> >--
>> >> >Chris H.
>> >> >Microsoft Windows MVP
>> >> >Associate Expert
>> >> >Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >> >
>> >> >"Ric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> >news:4c4001c3e463$44e06e00$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> I have the Microsoft MN-700 wireless router and
the
>> MN-
>> >> 740
>> >> >> game adapter. I have everything configured as
>> outlined
>> >> in
>> >> >> the manuals. My problem is that Rainbow six 3 and
>> >> Counter
>> >> >> Strike play fine but when I try to play Project
>> Gotham
>> >> >> Racing 2, I get to the lobby and then I get
>> disconnected
>> >> >> from the host. When I try to return it says "game
>> >> session
>> >> >> no longer active." I've tried port forwarding 88
and
>> >> >> 3074....no luck. Then I tried giving the xbox a
>> static
>> >> IP
>> >> >> and running a DMZ...no luck. I do have a
>> question...when
>> >> >> setting up the xbox in DMZ with the MN-740 do I
use
>> the
>> >> IP
>> >> >> of the xbox or the MN-740? The reason I ask this
is
>> >> >> because I never see the IP of my xbox listed in my
>> >> router
>> >> >> menu screen, just the IP of the MN-740. Any other
>> >> >> suggestions would be greatly appreciated my wife
has
>> had
>> >> >> it with me spending 4 days non-stop on this...lol
>> Thanks
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

I came here looking for a solution to my problem of
linking up the MN-740 to my LInksys BEFW11S4 v.2 router.
After browsing, I'm suspecting a problem based on the MN-
740 trying to use 802.1x authentication as the root cause
of my inability to connect/frequent and quick
disconnects. After struggling with a firmware upgrade to
the 740, (don't ask how I did it, I have no
clue....persistance and stupidity perhaps...) I still
have the issue of unreliable connection.

My question, and thought to all is this: Is there a way
to ensure that the MN-740 is NOT trying to use 802.1x
authentication when connecting to a Linksys router using
WEP?

Bo
GT: Bo Cephus


>-----Original Message-----
>Ric,
>I was having the same problem with PGR2 when I joined a
>session. I now host almost all my sessions and don't
>usually have an issue. I have however had a problem
>hosting now and then and what happens is when I am
hosting
>almost everyone in an 8 player race gets booted a couple
>times. Then all of a sudden it just stops. I haven't had
>an issue since I upgraded the firmware on the MN-
740...Did
>you upgrade the firmware? I am alos using a Linksys
>Wireless G Router. Don't know if this helps at all. I
hope
>you get your problem fixed. Add me as a friend!
>
>Gamertag: faustus
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>I'm out of fresh ideas right at the moment, Ric, but
have
>you tried the Xbox
>>Live! forums? Perhaps someone else has run into the
>issue you're seeing.
>>--
>>Chris H.
>>Microsoft Windows MVP
>>Associate Expert
>>Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>>"Ric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>message
>>news:53c101c3e4f9$90948cf0$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Chris,
>>> Thanks for your reply. The info might be incorrect,
>>> however it is what's happening. I have been to the
xbox
>>> site numerous times, I think I have it memorized.
>>> Additionally I have called Microsoft Support and when
I
>>> can talk to someone who speaks ENGLISH, they are no
help
>>> whatsoever. I am way beyond "resetting modem,
resetting
>MN-
>>> 700, resetting MN-740, etc." I have been moved up the
>>> chain of communication with Xbox, nothing. I have
talked
>>> with Sprint DSL help...nothing. I have spoke with
>>> Earthlink support...nothing. Everyone keeps blaming
the
>>> other, you know the routine. The part that is
>frustrating
>>> is that this of course happens to be my favorite
>>> game...LOL. The other part is that it ran fine on a
>direct
>>> connect (modem to xbox) connection before. The
distance
>>> from xbox to MN-700 is only 30 feet. I just didn't
want
>>> the cables. I figured with everything being Microsoft
it
>>> would gell.
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >And that information may just be incorrect, Ric. I
>would
>>> again suggest you
>>> >run through the information here:
>>> >http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq
and
>if
>>> that doesn't help
>>> >you, then call the support line. I'll dig through
some
>>> more stuff, too, and
>>> >post back if I find anything else enlightening that
is
>>> valid.
>>> >--
>>> >Chris H.
>>> >Microsoft Windows MVP
>>> >Associate Expert
>>> >Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>> >
>>> ><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message
>>> >news:51f501c3e4e6$1cd92630$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> >> Chris,
>>> >> Thanks for the reply. I agree that it is unwise to
>put
>>> >> anything into a DMZ mode. However unlike your
setup
>mine
>>> >> doesn't "just work." I cannot connect to Project
>Gotham
>>> >> Racing 2. I can however connect to my other games,
>with
>>> >> those it does "Just Work." I wish I didn't have to
>even
>>> >> think about it. In the past week I have learned
more
>>> than
>>> >> I ever wanted to know about networking and
>routers...LOL
>>> >> Also just for your info the following post is
quoted
>>> quite
>>> >> frequently in other forums:
>>> >>
>>> >> Microsoft is intentionally sending a spurious ICMP
>>> packet
>>> >> to your router when it runs XBox Live Network - as
a
>>> >> warning about a problem that might happen later.
This
>>> >> (correctly) causes the some routers to terminate
the
>>> >> session. The ICMP packet was Microsoft's attempt to
>>> solve
>>> >> another problem that routers from various
companies
>were
>>> >> having with their service and ICMP. Instead, it
>caused a
>>> >> different problem.
>>> >>
>>> >> Both problems may be fixed in the future, in the
>>> meantime,
>>> >> you can try these steps to get routers that use
>filter
>>> >> rules to connect to XBox Live Network.
>>> >>
>>> >> Note that blocking ICMP - as recommended - in
limited
>>> >> situations may cause your router to intermittently
>>> >> disconnect from the Internet. Also note that if
you
>are
>>> >> already using filters, you'll need to add the new
>>> filters
>>> >> so that the existing ones continue working
properly.
>>> >> Support staff will not know how to solve this
>problem.
>>> >>
>>> >> Upgrade to the latest router firmware.
>>> >> Open ports 88 and 3074. Microsoft sources will say
>this
>>> is
>>> >> unnecessary, however it is.)
>>> >> This seems to be happening to me on this particular
>>> game.
>>> >> By the way do you have this game? Does it work for
>you?
>>> >> Maybe my router is defective.
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Ric
>>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >> >Ric, I run the same hardware, but have not placed
>>> >> anything in a DMZ (highly
>>> >> >recommend you don't because it opens your system
to
>the
>>> >> Internet), and am
>>> >> >not using port forwarding. I just works without
>trying
>>> >> to overthink it.
>>> >> >Take a look at the Xbox Live! information:
>>> >> >http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq
>which
>>> in
>>> >> part says, ". . .
>>> >> >no port forwarding is required for Xbox Live to
>>> >> work . . . Port forwarding
>>> >> >is required only if you are running a proxy
server
>or
>>> >> true firewall instead
>>> >> >of or in addition to a NAT." The MN-700 doesn't
do
>the
>>> >> latter, so no
>>> >> >forwarding or DMZ is necessary.
>>> >> >--
>>> >> >Chris H.
>>> >> >Microsoft Windows MVP
>>> >> >Associate Expert
>>> >> >Expert Zone -
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Ric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
in
>>> >> message
>>> >> >news:4c4001c3e463$44e06e00$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> >> >> I have the Microsoft MN-700 wireless router and
>the
>>> MN-
>>> >> 740
>>> >> >> game adapter. I have everything configured as
>>> outlined
>>> >> in
>>> >> >> the manuals. My problem is that Rainbow six 3
and
>>> >> Counter
>>> >> >> Strike play fine but when I try to play Project
>>> Gotham
>>> >> >> Racing 2, I get to the lobby and then I get
>>> disconnected
>>> >> >> from the host. When I try to return it
says "game
>>> >> session
>>> >> >> no longer active." I've tried port forwarding
88
>and
>>> >> >> 3074....no luck. Then I tried giving the xbox a
>>> static
>>> >> IP
>>> >> >> and running a DMZ...no luck. I do have a
>>> question...when
>>> >> >> setting up the xbox in DMZ with the MN-740 do I
>use
>>> the
>>> >> IP
>>> >> >> of the xbox or the MN-740? The reason I ask
this
>is
>>> >> >> because I never see the IP of my xbox listed in
my
>>> >> router
>>> >> >> menu screen, just the IP of the MN-740. Any
other
>>> >> >> suggestions would be greatly appreciated my
wife
>has
>>> had
>>> >> >> it with me spending 4 days non-stop on
this...lol
>>> Thanks
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >.
>>> >> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >.
>>> >
>>
>>
>>.
>>
>.
>

Bo,

The MN-740 does not do 802.1x so it shouldn't be trying to use it when
authenticating.

--
Dave Puhrmann [MSFT]
This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Bo Cephus" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:003401c3e52d$4ddaf4b0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I came here looking for a solution to my problem of
> linking up the MN-740 to my LInksys BEFW11S4 v.2 router.
> After browsing, I'm suspecting a problem based on the MN-
> 740 trying to use 802.1x authentication as the root cause
> of my inability to connect/frequent and quick
> disconnects. After struggling with a firmware upgrade to
> the 740, (don't ask how I did it, I have no
> clue....persistance and stupidity perhaps...) I still
> have the issue of unreliable connection.
>
> My question, and thought to all is this: Is there a way
> to ensure that the MN-740 is NOT trying to use 802.1x
> authentication when connecting to a Linksys router using
> WEP?
>
> Bo
> GT: Bo Cephus
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Ric,
> >I was having the same problem with PGR2 when I joined a
> >session. I now host almost all my sessions and don't
> >usually have an issue. I have however had a problem
> >hosting now and then and what happens is when I am
> hosting
> >almost everyone in an 8 player race gets booted a couple
> >times. Then all of a sudden it just stops. I haven't had
> >an issue since I upgraded the firmware on the MN-
> 740...Did
> >you upgrade the firmware? I am alos using a Linksys
> >Wireless G Router. Don't know if this helps at all. I
> hope
> >you get your problem fixed. Add me as a friend!
> >
> >Gamertag: faustus
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>I'm out of fresh ideas right at the moment, Ric, but
> have
> >you tried the Xbox
> >>Live! forums? Perhaps someone else has run into the
> >issue you're seeing.
> >>--
> >>Chris H.
> >>Microsoft Windows MVP
> >>Associate Expert
> >>Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >>
> >>"Ric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> >message
> >>news:53c101c3e4f9$90948cf0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>> Chris,
> >>> Thanks for your reply. The info might be incorrect,
> >>> however it is what's happening. I have been to the
> xbox
> >>> site numerous times, I think I have it memorized.
> >>> Additionally I have called Microsoft Support and when
> I
> >>> can talk to someone who speaks ENGLISH, they are no
> help
> >>> whatsoever. I am way beyond "resetting modem,
> resetting
> >MN-
> >>> 700, resetting MN-740, etc." I have been moved up the
> >>> chain of communication with Xbox, nothing. I have
> talked
> >>> with Sprint DSL help...nothing. I have spoke with
> >>> Earthlink support...nothing. Everyone keeps blaming
> the
> >>> other, you know the routine. The part that is
> >frustrating
> >>> is that this of course happens to be my favorite
> >>> game...LOL. The other part is that it ran fine on a
> >direct
> >>> connect (modem to xbox) connection before. The
> distance
> >>> from xbox to MN-700 is only 30 feet. I just didn't
> want
> >>> the cables. I figured with everything being Microsoft
> it
> >>> would gell.
> >>> >-----Original Message-----
> >>> >And that information may just be incorrect, Ric. I
> >would
> >>> again suggest you
> >>> >run through the information here:
> >>> >http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq
> and
> >if
> >>> that doesn't help
> >>> >you, then call the support line. I'll dig through
> some
> >>> more stuff, too, and
> >>> >post back if I find anything else enlightening that
> is
> >>> valid.
> >>> >--
> >>> >Chris H.
> >>> >Microsoft Windows MVP
> >>> >Associate Expert
> >>> >Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >>> >
> >>> ><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message
> >>> >news:51f501c3e4e6$1cd92630$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>> >> Chris,
> >>> >> Thanks for the reply. I agree that it is unwise to
> >put
> >>> >> anything into a DMZ mode. However unlike your
> setup
> >mine
> >>> >> doesn't "just work." I cannot connect to Project
> >Gotham
> >>> >> Racing 2. I can however connect to my other games,
> >with
> >>> >> those it does "Just Work." I wish I didn't have to
> >even
> >>> >> think about it. In the past week I have learned
> more
> >>> than
> >>> >> I ever wanted to know about networking and
> >routers...LOL
> >>> >> Also just for your info the following post is
> quoted
> >>> quite
> >>> >> frequently in other forums:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Microsoft is intentionally sending a spurious ICMP
> >>> packet
> >>> >> to your router when it runs XBox Live Network - as
> a
> >>> >> warning about a problem that might happen later.
> This
> >>> >> (correctly) causes the some routers to terminate
> the
> >>> >> session. The ICMP packet was Microsoft's attempt to
> >>> solve
> >>> >> another problem that routers from various
> companies
> >were
> >>> >> having with their service and ICMP. Instead, it
> >caused a
> >>> >> different problem.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Both problems may be fixed in the future, in the
> >>> meantime,
> >>> >> you can try these steps to get routers that use
> >filter
> >>> >> rules to connect to XBox Live Network.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Note that blocking ICMP - as recommended - in
> limited
> >>> >> situations may cause your router to intermittently
> >>> >> disconnect from the Internet. Also note that if
> you
> >are
> >>> >> already using filters, you'll need to add the new
> >>> filters
> >>> >> so that the existing ones continue working
> properly.
> >>> >> Support staff will not know how to solve this
> >problem.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Upgrade to the latest router firmware.
> >>> >> Open ports 88 and 3074. Microsoft sources will say
> >this
> >>> is
> >>> >> unnecessary, however it is.)
> >>> >> This seems to be happening to me on this particular
> >>> game.
> >>> >> By the way do you have this game? Does it work for
> >you?
> >>> >> Maybe my router is defective.
> >>> >> Thanks,
> >>> >> Ric
> >>> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >>> >> >Ric, I run the same hardware, but have not placed
> >>> >> anything in a DMZ (highly
> >>> >> >recommend you don't because it opens your system
> to
> >the
> >>> >> Internet), and am
> >>> >> >not using port forwarding. I just works without
> >trying
> >>> >> to overthink it.
> >>> >> >Take a look at the Xbox Live! information:
> >>> >> >http://www.xbox.com/en-NZ/live/start/connect/faq
> >which
> >>> in
> >>> >> part says, ". . .
> >>> >> >no port forwarding is required for Xbox Live to
> >>> >> work . . . Port forwarding
> >>> >> >is required only if you are running a proxy
> server
> >or
> >>> >> true firewall instead
> >>> >> >of or in addition to a NAT." The MN-700 doesn't
> do
> >the
> >>> >> latter, so no
> >>> >> >forwarding or DMZ is necessary.
> >>> >> >--
> >>> >> >Chris H.
> >>> >> >Microsoft Windows MVP
> >>> >> >Associate Expert
> >>> >> >Expert Zone -
> www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >"Ric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
> in
> >>> >> message
> >>> >> >news:4c4001c3e463$44e06e00$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>> >> >> I have the Microsoft MN-700 wireless router and
> >the
> >>> MN-
> >>> >> 740
> >>> >> >> game adapter. I have everything configured as
> >>> outlined
> >>> >> in
> >>> >> >> the manuals. My problem is that Rainbow six 3
> and
> >>> >> Counter
> >>> >> >> Strike play fine but when I try to play Project
> >>> Gotham
> >>> >> >> Racing 2, I get to the lobby and then I get
> >>> disconnected
> >>> >> >> from the host. When I try to return it
> says "game
> >>> >> session
> >>> >> >> no longer active." I've tried port forwarding
> 88
> >and
> >>> >> >> 3074....no luck. Then I tried giving the xbox a
> >>> static
> >>> >> IP
> >>> >> >> and running a DMZ...no luck. I do have a
> >>> question...when
> >>> >> >> setting up the xbox in DMZ with the MN-740 do I
> >use
> >>> the
> >>> >> IP
> >>> >> >> of the xbox or the MN-740? The reason I ask
> this
> >is
> >>> >> >> because I never see the IP of my xbox listed in
> my
> >>> >> router
> >>> >> >> menu screen, just the IP of the MN-740. Any
> other
> >>> >> >> suggestions would be greatly appreciated my
> wife
> >has
> >>> had
> >>> >> >> it with me spending 4 days non-stop on
> this...lol
> >>> Thanks
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >.
> >>> >
> >>
> >>
> >>.
> >>
> >.
> >