Wireless router Disconnecting

Hi all

Looking for some pointers with a problem I have started getting with my
Belkin Wireless ADSL Modem Router.

My setup has performed faultlessly for about 12 months then suddenly I
noticed the every morning when I turn my PC on the Router had lost its
connection over night, the only way to restore connection is to disconnect
the router from the mains for a couple of minutes.

I have changed nothing other than go from a 1 meg to 2 meg service and it
was fine on this for the first month.

Anyone got any pointers as to where I should start looking for the problem.

Thanks


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Paul

Paul wrote:

> I have changed nothing other than go from a 1 meg to 2 meg service and it
> was fine on this for the first month.
>
> Anyone got any pointers as to where I should start looking for the problem.
>

look at the SNR / Noise margin upstream and downstream, if this is a
small number it points to a marginal connection. Post those and the
attenuation stats.

http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/frogstats.htm (scroll down) will help find
the data, or post the model number for help.

Phil

Paul wrote:

> Looking for some pointers with a problem I have started getting with my
> Belkin Wireless ADSL Modem Router.
>
> My setup has performed faultlessly for about 12 months then suddenly I
> noticed the every morning when I turn my PC on the Router had lost its
> connection over night, the only way to restore connection is to disconnect
> the router from the mains for a couple of minutes.

Let's be 100% clear about this - is it your wireless connection thats
dropping, or your wireless routers' connection to the internet? Can you
ping your router when it drops?

> I have changed nothing other than go from a 1 meg to 2 meg service and it
> was fine on this for the first month.

You've changed nothing...apart from one of the most fundamental aspects of
your internet connection ;-)

> Anyone got any pointers as to where I should start looking for the
> problem.

Certainly. Looks like your line can only just support[1] 2M, and some straw
comes along every night and breaks your camel's back. DSL Max may help you,
as your line may be able to sync at just under 2M a lot more stably than at
2M.

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[1] Is it 'supporting' 2M

Paul wrote:

> Looking for some pointers with a problem I have started getting with my
> Belkin Wireless ADSL Modem Router.
>
> My setup has performed faultlessly for about 12 months then suddenly I
> noticed the every morning when I turn my PC on the Router had lost its
> connection over night, the only way to restore connection is to disconnect
> the router from the mains for a couple of minutes.

Let's be 100% clear about this - is it your wireless connection thats
dropping, or your wireless routers' connection to the internet? Can you
ping your router when it drops?

> I have changed nothing other than go from a 1 meg to 2 meg service and it
> was fine on this for the first month.

You've changed nothing...apart from one of the most fundamental aspects of
your internet connection ;-)

> Anyone got any pointers as to where I should start looking for the
> problem.

Certainly. Looks like your line can only just support[1] 2M, and some straw
comes along every night and breaks your camel's back. DSL Max may help you,
as your line may be able to sync at just under 2M a lot more stably than at
2M.

<http://ale.cx/> (AIM:troffasky) ((E-Mail Removed))
10:36:12 up 6 days, 19:24, 2 users, load average: 0.56, 0.55, 0.31
This is my BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMSTICK

[1] Could it really be said to be 'supporting' 2M if it ever drops?

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Paul <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Looking for some pointers with a problem I have started getting with
> my Belkin Wireless ADSL Modem Router.
>
> My setup has performed faultlessly for about 12 months then suddenly I
> noticed the every morning when I turn my PC on the Router had lost its
> connection over night, the only way to restore connection is to
> disconnect the router from the mains for a couple of minutes.
>
> I have changed nothing other than go from a 1 meg to 2 meg service
> and it was fine on this for the first month.
>
> Anyone got any pointers as to where I should start looking for the
> problem.
> Thanks
>
As others have asked, it *is* the internet connection and not the wireless
connection which has dropped, isn't it?

If so, isn't there a status page, which you can get to by pointing your
browser at your router's IP address, and which has a 'connect' button -
allowing you to re-connect without having to power the router off?

Better still, there should be parameters which you can set for idle timeout
and connect on demand - which should make the process automatic as soon as
you try to access the internet from a connected PC.

As to why it's dropping - who is your ISP, and what service are you buying
from them?Some ISP's (such as PlusNet on some services) have taken to
applying their own disconnections after an idle period. If your ISP is doing
this, the best way to prevent it is to make sure that you're never idle for
more than the relevant time - 30 minutes or whatever - which means something
like leaving a PC on, checking for emails at regular intervals.

But if you can fix it so that automatically re-connects, that fact that it
disconnects over night doesn't really matter.
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Cheers,
Roger
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>
> Let's be 100% clear about this - is it your wireless connection thats
> dropping, or your wireless routers' connection to the internet? Can you
> ping your router when it drops?

Its the router to the internet connection that is dropping, I can ping and
comunicate with the router when the connection is dropped and both machines
connected to the router can connect to each other.
>
>> I have changed nothing other than go from a 1 meg to 2 meg service and it
>> was fine on this for the first month.
>
> You've changed nothing...apart from one of the most fundamental aspects of
> your internet connection ;-)

Yes I do appreciate that but as it worked fine for the first month I thought
it may not be the problem.

It also always drops over night when the computers are turned off and almost
never during the day when they are in use.

>>
> As others have asked, it *is* the internet connection and not the wireless
> connection which has dropped, isn't it?

Yes its the Internet and not the wireless that is losing the connection.
>
> If so, isn't there a status page, which you can get to by pointing your
> browser at your router's IP address, and which has a 'connect' button -
> allowing you to re-connect without having to power the router off?

If I use the connect button or even the re start router option it will not
re-connect, I have to disconnect from the mains for a couple of minuits
>
> Better still, there should be parameters which you can set for idle
> timeout and connect on demand - which should make the process automatic as
> soon as you try to access the internet from a connected PC.

Idle timeout is set to 10 minuts with options of 0 to 99
>
> As to why it's dropping - who is your ISP, and what service are you buying
> from them?Some ISP's (such as PlusNet on some services) have taken to
> applying their own disconnections after an idle period. If your ISP is
> doing this, the best way to prevent it is to make sure that you're never
> idle for more than the relevant time - 30 minutes or whatever - which
> means something like leaving a PC on, checking for emails at regular
> intervals.

I am on Wonadoo 2meg.
>
> But if you can fix it so that automatically re-connects, that fact that it
> disconnects over night doesn't really matter.

I do not have an auto reconnect option, well not one I can find anyway


> --
> Cheers,
> Roger
> ______
> Please reply to newsgroup.
> Reply address IS valid, but not regularly monitored.
>

> Idle timeout is set to 10 minuts with options of 0 to 99

Try setting this to 0, that normally means no timeout.

Dave

>>
>
> look at the SNR / Noise margin upstream and downstream, if this is a
> small number it points to a marginal connection. Post those and the
> attenuation stats.
>
> http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/frogstats.htm (scroll down) will help find
> the data, or post the model number for help.
>
> Phil
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Not to sure what I am looking for so included all the data, anything look
obvious.

Thanks



DriverVersion = 1.61
APIVersion = GS_API_441
FirmwareVersion = Y.1.28.182
DspVersion = 0x000000c1
Connected = true
OperationalMode = G.Dmt
State = Showtime
Watchdog = 0x00000053
OperationProgress = 0x000000ad
LastFailed = 0x00000000
TxBitRate = 288000
RxBitRate = 2272000
TxCellRate = 679
RxCellRate = 5358
PhyTXCellCount = 10319
PhyRXCellCount = 138164
PhyCellDropCount = 0
OverallFailure = 0
LocalITUCountryCode = 0x0000b5ff
LocalSEF = 0
LocalEndLOS = 0
LocalSNRMargin = 29.0 dB
LocalLineAttn = 12.5 dB
RawAttn = 12.5 dB
LocalTxPower = 10.5 dB
LocalFastChannelRxRate = 2272000
LocalFastChannelTxRate = 288000
LocalFastChannelFEC = 0
LocalFastChannelCRC = 2
LocalFastChannelHEC = 0
LocalFastChannelNCD = 0
LocalFastChannelOCD = 0
LocalInterleavedChannelRxRate = 0
LocalInterleavedChannelTxRate = 0
LocalInterleavedChannelFEC = 0
LocalInterleavedChannelCRC = 0
LocalInterleavedChannelHEC = 0
LocalInterleavedChannelNCD = 0
LocalInterleavedChannelOCD = 0
RemoteSEF = 0
RemoteLOS = 0
RemoteLineAttn = 8.0 dB
RemoteSNRMargin = 30 dB
RemoteFastChannelFEC = 0
RemoteFastChannelCRC = 2
RemoteFastChannelHEC = 0
RemoteFastChannelNCD = 0
RemoteInterleavedChannelFEC = 0
RemoteInterleavedChannelCRC = 0
RemoteInterleavedChannelHEC = 0
RemoteInterleavedChannelNCD = 0
ActivateLine = None
HostControl = Enable
AutoStart = true
failsafe = false
ShowtimeLed = 2
Whip = Disable
WhipActive = Inactive
Action = Startup
Profile = MAIN
Standard = Multimode
UtopiaInterface = Level1
EcFdmMode = FDM
MaxBitsPerBin = 15
TxStartBin = 6
TxEndBin = 31
RxStartBin = 32
RxEndBin = 255
RxAutoBinAdjust = Disable
TxAttenuation = 0
BitSwap = Enable
BitSwapUp = Disable
NTRMode = Disable
CodeType = AnnexA
MaxDownRate = 4095
PhysicalPort = 0
Retrain = Enable
DetectNoise = Disable
Capability = Disable
CodingGain = auto
FramerType = Type3
FastRetrain = Enable
ClockType = Crystal
ACPilotTone = Enable
DyingGasp = Disable
Defaults = None
resetDefaults = false
portSnmpIfIndex = 0
portSnmpIfType = 0

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Paul wrote:

> Not to sure what I am looking for so included all the data, anything look
> obvious.

line is about 1 km, good for 8Mbits/s, virtually no errors reported.

Its not the line.

Phil