sync loss

I keep losing sync on my connection, the only way to get it back is to
pick up my phone and dial any number. It does not work if i just pick up
the phone and put it back down I have to dial a number.

I have connected to the master socket with just my modem, used a 2nd modem
and replaced the internal wiring but still the same thing happens.

Thanks for your help.

Gavin wrote:
> I keep losing sync on my connection, the only way to get it back is to
> pick up my phone and dial any number. It does not work if i just pick
> up the phone and put it back down I have to dial a number.
>
> I have connected to the master socket with just my modem, used a 2nd
> modem and replaced the internal wiring but still the same thing happens.
>
> Thanks for your help.

Have you tried connecting to the master socket with ALL extensions
(hardwires and plug-in-the front) removed? The normal beast for this is
faulty equipment, but it can also manifest itself if the bell wire
(terminal 3) is connected up. You may find that sync will be there until
you plug a phone in, then it drops out inside of a few seconds, pick up
the phone and away it goes. Are you 100% all extensions are diss'ed off
(disconnected) and it is still droping out? If so then it becomes a line
issue. Try a crude test at www.bt.com/faults. Feed it with bullshit and
let it test your line. If it finds anything external it will create a
job to fix it. If it does not it will warn you of possible charges and
ask you to confirm before making a job. In the later instance it is
usually the customers kit or wiring, but not always.

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:33:27 -0000, Daniel Richardson
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Gavin wrote:
>> I keep losing sync on my connection, the only way to get it back is to
>> pick up my phone and dial any number. It does not work if i just pick
>> up the phone and put it back down I have to dial a number.
>> I have connected to the master socket with just my modem, used a 2nd
>> modem and replaced the internal wiring but still the same thing
>> happens.
>> Thanks for your help.
>
> Have you tried connecting to the master socket with ALL extensions
> (hardwires and plug-in-the front) removed? The normal beast for this is
> faulty equipment, but it can also manifest itself if the bell wire
> (terminal 3) is connected up. You may find that sync will be there until
> you plug a phone in, then it drops out inside of a few seconds, pick up
> the phone and away it goes. Are you 100% all extensions are diss'ed off
> (disconnected) and it is still droping out? If so then it becomes a line
> issue. Try a crude test at www.bt.com/faults. Feed it with bullshit and
> let it test your line. If it finds anything external it will create a
> job to fix it. If it does not it will warn you of possible charges and
> ask you to confirm before making a job. In the later instance it is
> usually the customers kit or wiring, but not always.


I have taken out all internal wires back to where the bt line comes
through the wall and used the modem into the master socket with nothing
but that connected and no sync at all then.
If i have a phone on the line with the modem then it will only find sync
if i have dialed a number on the phone or if i am on a call. Its like the
phone call makes a connection. as soon as i am off the phone the sync will
be lost.

Gavin wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:33:27 -0000, Daniel Richardson
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Gavin wrote:
>>
>>> I keep losing sync on my connection, the only way to get it back is
>>> to pick up my phone and dial any number. It does not work if i just
>>> pick up the phone and put it back down I have to dial a number.
>>> I have connected to the master socket with just my modem, used a
>>> 2nd modem and replaced the internal wiring but still the same
>>> thing happens.
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>>
>> Have you tried connecting to the master socket with ALL extensions
>> (hardwires and plug-in-the front) removed? The normal beast for this
>> is faulty equipment, but it can also manifest itself if the bell
>> wire (terminal 3) is connected up. You may find that sync will be
>> there until you plug a phone in, then it drops out inside of a few
>> seconds, pick up the phone and away it goes. Are you 100% all
>> extensions are diss'ed off (disconnected) and it is still droping
>> out? If so then it becomes a line issue. Try a crude test at
>> www.bt.com/faults. Feed it with bullshit and let it test your line.
>> If it finds anything external it will create a job to fix it. If it
>> does not it will warn you of possible charges and ask you to confirm
>> before making a job. In the later instance it is usually the
>> customers kit or wiring, but not always.
>
>
>
> I have taken out all internal wires back to where the bt line comes
> through the wall and used the modem into the master socket with nothing
> but that connected and no sync at all then.
> If i have a phone on the line with the modem then it will only find
> sync if i have dialed a number on the phone or if i am on a call. Its
> like the phone call makes a connection. as soon as i am off the phone
> the sync will be lost.

If it won't sync in the master with jackshit else connected then either
the filter, modem or line has a fault in that order. Do you get any
crackling or noise on the line in normal use, any overhearing? Has the
broadband ever worked stabily at your address?

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:15:54 UTC, Gavin
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I have taken out all internal wires back to where the bt line comes
> through the wall and used the modem into the master socket with nothing
> but that connected and no sync at all then.
> If i have a phone on the line with the modem then it will only find sync
> if i have dialed a number on the phone or if i am on a call. Its like the
> phone call makes a connection. as soon as i am off the phone the sync will
> be lost.

I stand to be corrected by Kraftee and his mates, but this sounds like a
bad connection on the line itself. The use of the line temporarily
lowers the resistance of the bad joint, allowing it to work for a while.
Does it vary with weather/temperature, I wonder?


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Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:15:54 UTC, Gavin
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>

> I stand to be corrected by Kraftee and his mates, but this bad connection on the line itself. The use of the line temporarily
> lowers the resistance of the bad joint, allowing it to work for a while. Does it vary with weather/temperature, I wonder?
>

Much that it pains me, I would mostly agree. The line probably has a
small high resistance break in it. At 50v no load it may be more
apparant than at 9V off hook load and thus full steam ahead. The fact
that it relies on making a call is probably nonsense and just the the
time it is taking to sync up. With juice it's more the norm to see a bad
connection give out under load, thus making things worse. With a phone
line that seems to hold less water.

The big problem will be getting it fixed if it is the case. The majority
of BT folk won't be aware of why it's happening, except for a few
expert engineers like crafty who would have more than a very good idea
from the fault report notes.

Daniel Richardson wrote:
> Bob Eager wrote:
>
<CORRECTION> like Kraftee who would have more than a very good idea
> from the fault report notes.

> The big problem will be getting it fixed if it is the case. The majority
> of BT folk won't be aware of why it's happening, except for a few expert
> engineers like crafty who would have more than a very good idea from the
> fault report notes.


Which is why this must be reported to your ISP who will, once convinced,
report it to BT openreach to send a broadband savvy engineer.

Fred

The Simpsons wrote:
>
> Which is why this must be reported to your ISP who will, once convinced,
> report it to BT openreach to send a broadband savvy engineer.
>
And let us hope that this is broadband savvy engineer with UG
skills..............

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:28:36 -0000, Daniel Richardson
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Gavin wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:33:27 -0000, Daniel Richardson
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> Gavin wrote:
>>>
>>>> I keep losing sync on my connection, the only way to get it back is
>>>> to pick up my phone and dial any number. It does not work if i just
>>>> pick up the phone and put it back down I have to dial a number.
>>>> I have connected to the master socket with just my modem, used a
>>>> 2nd modem and replaced the internal wiring but still the same
>>>> thing happens.
>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you tried connecting to the master socket with ALL extensions
>>> (hardwires and plug-in-the front) removed? The normal beast for this
>>> is faulty equipment, but it can also manifest itself if the bell
>>> wire (terminal 3) is connected up. You may find that sync will be
>>> there until you plug a phone in, then it drops out inside of a few
>>> seconds, pick up the phone and away it goes. Are you 100% all
>>> extensions are diss'ed off (disconnected) and it is still droping
>>> out? If so then it becomes a line issue. Try a crude test at
>>> www.bt.com/faults. Feed it with bullshit and let it test your line.
>>> If it finds anything external it will create a job to fix it. If it
>>> does not it will warn you of possible charges and ask you to confirm
>>> before making a job. In the later instance it is usually the
>>> customers kit or wiring, but not always.
>> I have taken out all internal wires back to where the bt line comes
>> through the wall and used the modem into the master socket with
>> nothing but that connected and no sync at all then.
>> If i have a phone on the line with the modem then it will only find
>> sync if i have dialed a number on the phone or if i am on a call. Its
>> like the phone call makes a connection. as soon as i am off the phone
>> the sync will be lost.
>
> If it won't sync in the master with jackshit else connected then either
> the filter, modem or line has a fault in that order. Do you get any
> crackling or noise on the line in normal use, any overhearing? Has the
> broadband ever worked stabily at your address?

Broadband has worked for over 2 yrs at this address. When i was with my
last ISP i had the same problem that could not fix and BT came out and
said there was nothing wrong with the line, I then changed ISP and when
the new connection was made I have had 2yrs of service with no problems
now this fault has come back to haunt me again.

I hope BT send a good guy out to fix it and can find this break in the
cable i have these stats from my line if that tells anyone anything:

ReceiveAttenuation_dB= 54
ReceiveMargin_dB= 24
RxOutputPower_dBm= 0
SendAttenuation_dB= 31
SendMargin_dB= 23


Thanks for your help.