Structure of name, userid, address of whatever you call it

Newbie needs advice on name to choose for "fresh start" - unclear on
conventions.

Broadband availability approaching here, and it's crunch time on choice
of ISP, because self and wife currently using Virgin, Cix, Demon dial-up
access and likely to use one of Virgin, Demon, PlusNet or other, with
shared access, of course.

Just concerned at the moment to have a suitable, unique name (say FRED)
ready for sign-up to whichever ISP we decide to use.

I guess that for Demon we would be (E-Mail Removed) and
her.indoors @FRED.demon.co.uk - not had to deal with that situation
before.

Is my supposition correct? Do all ISPs (or at least those I mentioned)
treat names this way?
--
Michael J Kingston - Researching Family History
News of surname DIGWEED always welcomed
< Remove my initials from the "To:" address field when replying >

Mike Kingston <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Newbie needs advice on name to choose for "fresh start" - unclear on
> conventions.
>
> Broadband availability approaching here, and it's crunch time on choice
> of ISP, because self and wife currently using Virgin, Cix, Demon dial-up
> access and likely to use one of Virgin, Demon, PlusNet or other, with
> shared access, of course.
>
> Just concerned at the moment to have a suitable, unique name (say FRED)
> ready for sign-up to whichever ISP we decide to use.
>
> I guess that for Demon we would be (E-Mail Removed) and
> her.indoors @FRED.demon.co.uk - not had to deal with that situation
> before.
> treat names this way?

I believe (I have not used this service) that if you buy a domain
from plusnet (1 quid extra a month (though IIRC there is a quite high
fee to move the domain away from plusnet), that you can use
(E-Mail Removed), (E-Mail Removed).

Plusnet and demon provide unlimited email addresses, so you could just
use the basic whatever.plus.com, and you can make up as many email addresses
as you like.

It can be quite handy to give out email addresses to companies in
the form order-(E-Mail Removed) (for example), so that it's
trivial to track if anyone gives out your address.

This has the slight problem that you can download each others email
accidentally (or on purpose of course).

You can of course buy a .com/.uk/... domain from other providers, and
use completely seperate mail servers, not to mention using yahoo, google,
or any of the many other mail providers.
This approach is good, because if your main provider goes down, or you
decide not to subscribe any more, you can keep the same email address.

> Newbie needs advice on name to choose for "fresh start" - unclear on
> conventions.
>
> Broadband availability approaching here, and it's crunch time on choice
> of ISP, because self and wife currently using Virgin, Cix, Demon dial-up
> access and likely to use one of Virgin, Demon, PlusNet or other, with
> shared access, of course.
>
> Just concerned at the moment to have a suitable, unique name (say FRED)
> ready for sign-up to whichever ISP we decide to use.
>
> I guess that for Demon we would be (E-Mail Removed) and
> her.indoors @FRED.demon.co.uk - not had to deal with that situation
> before.
>
> Is my supposition correct? Do all ISPs (or at least those I mentioned)
> treat names this way?


I have used the same Freeserve email address since I started to use the
Internet five years ago.
During that time I have lost count of the number of ISP's I have used.

I always advise people NOT to use the email address their ISP gives them as
their main address unless it is also associated with a PAYG dialup service.

People are often loyal to their existing ISP because they don't want to
change their email, and it is not necessary to get into that situation.
Whatever people tell you, you CAN use an email on another ISP's service.

Of course my strategy doesn't always work, at the office we had a xxx@talk21
xxx being the 3 initials of the firm. When BT-Yahoo took over talk21 they
made you pay for pop3 email (bastards)

It was only a token amount per month but I wouldn't pay on principle

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

Graham wrote:
>
> People are often loyal to their existing ISP because they don't want to
> change their email, and it is not necessary to get into that situation.
> Whatever people tell you, you CAN use an email on another ISP's service.
>

I have found that receiving depends on the ISP. Brightview group
(Freenetname / Myisp etc) can only be accessed for receipt from their
own network.
Tesco, Eidos, freeserve (but not always ?) can be received from off-network.

Sending of course is quite different. Use any address through the
server of the ISP you are connected to, but again there have been some
blocks out there IIRC

Bill

On 16 Nov 2004 in uk.telecom.broadband, Ian Stirling wrote:

>This approach is good, because if your main provider goes down, or you
>decide not to subscribe any more, you can keep the same email address.

I'd say it was not only good, but better... and don't be paying a high
fee for the domain name when there are firms offering them (.co.uk for
example) at 5 to 15 quid... cheaper to pay them direct than have 'free'
domain tied to an ISP and then find a 45 quid transfer fee if you leave
the ISP. FreeNetName charged 96 quid, I think...

123-reg.co.uk, ukreg.com are two of the cheaper ones. 1and1.com is a
bit cheaper, but not one I'd recommend personally. Peter Morgan.


--
com/org/info/biz domains as low as $8.00/year
com/org/info/biz transfers give 12 month extension

See <http://www.vfm-deals.com/> for .co.uk at under 7 quid !

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 in uk.telecom.broadband, Bill wrote:

>(Freenetname / Myisp etc) can only be accessed for receipt from their
>own network.

hmmm, the terms ages ago (before Brightview, I think) for FreeNetName
meant they could (a) introduce a monthly charge to use the account if
they wanted, and (b) if a user left, the free .co.uk domain was only
available for transfer at 96 quid. I don't think they introduced a
charge, but it seemed a particularly nasty set of terms, though fees
for .co.uk were probably much higher than today...


--
PlusNet <http://tinyurl.com/24ymz> - I recommend them and save some cash.

Peter M <us-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On 16 Nov 2004 in uk.telecom.broadband, Ian Stirling wrote:
>
>>This approach is good, because if your main provider goes down, or you
>>decide not to subscribe any more, you can keep the same email address.
>
> I'd say it was not only good, but better... and don't be paying a high
> fee for the domain name when there are firms offering them (.co.uk for
> example) at 5 to 15 quid... cheaper to pay them direct than have 'free'
> domain tied to an ISP and then find a 45 quid transfer fee if you leave
> the ISP. FreeNetName charged 96 quid, I think...

True, it depends on if you think of it as a permenant email address, or
just an extra mailbox.
For an extra completely seperate mailbox, 1 quid/month isn't too bad,
especially given that they handle all the fiddly stuff.

(I have not used the service, I assume it can be used as a completely
seperate mailbox, check before use)

A seperate domain is usually a good thing, but you have to admit, can
be tricky for the not completly net-literate.

On 17 Nov 2004 in uk.telecom.broadband, Ian Stirling wrote:

>A seperate domain is usually a good thing, but you have to admit, can
>be tricky for the not completly net-literate.

Sorry, no. With web and mail forwarding to allow anyone (even a non-
teenager I know) to manage domains, the only thing you need to do is
(a) have a way to pay (and some now accept PayPal, so selling odds
and ends on Ebay could allow a youngster to have 'working capital'
that can be spent in whatever way s/he wanted, with the opening of
the account under their parent's control and initial funding)... and
(b) be able to type the URL for your ISP webspace, and some suitable
e-mail address as the destination of forwarding.

I'd *NEVER* pay an ISP for the service, because you might then have a
costly fee to pay if you ever wanted to transfer away, and if you are
in dispute with the ISP, they have a degree of control over a domain
(or the web space it uses) and you are at a definite disadvantage!

The complexity, if ever there was one, might come in doing a transfer
from one registration firm to another... heck, getting the card number
into the web form might be hardest part !!

All much appreciated - thanks.
--
Michael J Kingston - Researching Family History
News of surname DIGWEED always welcomed
< Remove my initials from the "To:" address field when replying >

Peter M wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 in uk.telecom.broadband, Bill wrote:
>
>
>>(Freenetname / Myisp etc) can only be accessed for receipt from their
>>own network.
>
>
> hmmm, the terms ages ago (before Brightview, I think) for FreeNetName
> meant they could (a) introduce a monthly charge to use the account if
> they wanted, and (b) if a user left, the free .co.uk domain was only
> available for transfer at 96 quid. I don't think they introduced a
> charge, but it seemed a particularly nasty set of terms, though fees
> for .co.uk were probably much higher than today...
>
>

There is a charge now to keep the domain etc going if you do not dial in
often enough. This period turned out to be down to 30 days, and also
was not a 'network access' but 'dial our right number'. So me dialing
MyIsp and getting FNN mail off the server didn't count. Oops <g>.

However having got in that situation they then offered me a choice of
£25 to 'reset' or £25 to 'transfer domain', so I did the latter. As
they had registered it 4 years back, hosted it and also just renewed for
another 2 years I don't think I did too bad.

Bill