Standard ISA/PCI and BNC/RJ45

Can a standard ISA network card operate with BNC and RJ45
connection on the same card at the same time.
Also a standard PCI network card operate with BNC and RJ45
connection on the same card at the same time.
These have dual RJ45 and BNC connectors on them.
Or will I need an additional card on each PC to use both BNC/RJ45
if this is possible.

I have five PC's all connected via BNC cable and work fine, but I now
have a fast ethernet switch (Netgear FS105) so a gradual change over
to RJ45 is the goal if possible, what speed increase, if any, can I expect.

Running W95,W98SE plus a dual-boot W98SE/Linux, though
I have not managed to connected the Linux machine yet, which
is why I am trying the RJ45, Though it could be the old network
card, around 1995/6.

Den

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 19:37:28 +0000, Den wrote:

> Can a standard ISA network card operate with BNC and RJ45
> connection on the same card at the same time.
> Also a standard PCI network card operate with BNC and RJ45
> connection on the same card at the same time.
> These have dual RJ45 and BNC connectors on them.
> Or will I need an additional card on each PC to use both BNC/RJ45
> if this is possible.

No You can only use one or the other. Most cards will auto detect which
interface is in use, thet should favour the RJ45 over the BNC interface.
Older cards may need the interface to be changed using a software utility.
Even older cards may have a strap or switch on them.

> I have five PC's all connected via BNC cable and work fine, but I now
> have a fast ethernet switch (Netgear FS105) so a gradual change over
> to RJ45 is the goal if possible, what speed increase, if any, can I expect.

You will see only a slight speed increase because these old combo cards
will be 10 Meg only, and may not be able to work in full duplex mode.
New 100 meg ethernet cards are very cheap. If you shop round you should
get them for about 5 UK pound each. These will give you around a ten fold
increase in network speed, if the PC's are up to the job.

> Running W95,W98SE plus a dual-boot W98SE/Linux, though
> I have not managed to connected the Linux machine yet, which
> is why I am trying the RJ45, Though it could be the old network
> card, around 1995/6.
>
> Den

Don't let this put you off it is well worth upgrading your network. RJ45
and Cat5 cable is a much better technology than the old co-ax ethernet.

Geaham

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:37:28 -0000, "Den"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Can a standard ISA network card operate with BNC and RJ45
>connection on the same card at the same time.
>Also a standard PCI network card operate with BNC and RJ45
>connection on the same card at the same time.
>These have dual RJ45 and BNC connectors on them.

No.

>Or will I need an additional card on each PC to use both BNC/RJ45
>if this is possible.
>
The dual cards will only be 10Mbps anyway so you will need to buy new
LAN cards anyway to get up to 100Mbps. New PCI cards should be better
than the old ISA ones anyway.

>I have five PC's all connected via BNC cable and work fine, but I now
>have a fast ethernet switch (Netgear FS105) so a gradual change over
>to RJ45 is the goal if possible, what speed increase, if any, can I expect.
>
For Internet connections not really any but for moving large files
across the network there will be a noticable increase, but for basic
file sharing you probably won't notice a difference. I used to run a
100Mbps network when all the PC's I had were in one room but now they
have spread across the house I have used 10Mbps hubs as I had a few
lying around and I haven't noticed a difference.

>Running W95,W98SE plus a dual-boot W98SE/Linux, though
>I have not managed to connected the Linux machine yet, which
>is why I am trying the RJ45, Though it could be the old network
>card, around 1995/6.

Linux and ISA cards don't mix that well, putting in a PCI one would
improve this complication!
...

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd.

Thanks both I tried a Realtek RTL8139/10X and a fair
increase in speed compared to the BNC.

One major problem is the older dual cards, one at least will not
work on the RJ45 but is there an easy way to ID which drivers came
came with what cards, a mix of compatables,Realtek, NE2000, etc

Only two of the PC's will benefit from the higher speeds at the moment
but I would like to find some way to test and find the correct drivers.

one is a PCI card and a labeled disk as Ethernet PCI Bus Adapter,
But does not appear to work properly, intermittent though it was working in other
PC, a Realtek RTL8029AS under BNC.
I did notice using the utility (if correct one)a reference to different
ROM sizes (3 choices) and yet there is no ROM on the board.

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:36:16 -0000, "Den"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Thanks both I tried a Realtek RTL8139/10X and a fair
>increase in speed compared to the BNC.
>
>One major problem is the older dual cards, one at least will not
>work on the RJ45 but is there an easy way to ID which drivers came
>came with what cards, a mix of compatables,Realtek, NE2000, etc
>
>Only two of the PC's will benefit from the higher speeds at the moment
>but I would like to find some way to test and find the correct drivers.
>
>one is a PCI card and a labeled disk as Ethernet PCI Bus Adapter,
>But does not appear to work properly, intermittent though it was working in other
>PC, a Realtek RTL8029AS under BNC.
>I did notice using the utility (if correct one)a reference to different
>ROM sizes (3 choices) and yet there is no ROM on the board.
>
It could quite well be the cards that are shot, not neccesarilly the
drivers causing the problems. For what PCI 100Mbps network cards cost,
(from well under a tenner), it might be as well to stick new ones in.
...

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd.

"Lurch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> It could quite well be the cards that are shot, not neccesarilly the
> drivers causing the problems. For what PCI 100Mbps network cards cost,
> (from well under a tenner), it might be as well to stick new ones in.
> ..
I take your point regarding the card costs, but see sig, ;-) though the RTL8029
(PCI) has been a card that when it works it is good, when its bad it is bad.
Including just recently while swapping around cards I tried on a number of
times to change the resource settings but this card would not allow it until
I ended up with this card on MB along with an ISA RTL8019, of course I
then ended up with W98 failing to boot except with safe mode.
"Invalid dymamic link from VSDATA95(01)
+ 0000EC8 to device "0028", service 800A"
This took quite a few attempts before windows would boot even without
any Lan cards installed.

So I have had to revert to the ISA 8019 card on its own.
PS
I have now found the box, an AGAMA Lan family and the models listed
this one marked as a 10Mbps so that explains a lot !

Den
--
if it works and does the job why upgrade it,
think of the landfill sites
Though still kicking myself after only buying ONE RTL8139/10X for 4.99
a couple of weeks ago !

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:20:56 -0000, "Den"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>"Lurch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> It could quite well be the cards that are shot, not neccesarilly the
>> drivers causing the problems. For what PCI 100Mbps network cards cost,
>> (from well under a tenner), it might be as well to stick new ones in.
>> ..
>I take your point regarding the card costs, but see sig, ;-) though the RTL8029
>(PCI) has been a card that when it works it is good, when its bad it is bad.
>Including just recently while swapping around cards I tried on a number of
>times to change the resource settings but this card would not allow it until
>I ended up with this card on MB along with an ISA RTL8019, of course I
>then ended up with W98 failing to boot except with safe mode.
>"Invalid dymamic link from VSDATA95(01)
>+ 0000EC8 to device "0028", service 800A"
>This took quite a few attempts before windows would boot even without
>any Lan cards installed.
>
>So I have had to revert to the ISA 8019 card on its own.
>PS
>I have now found the box, an AGAMA Lan family and the models listed
>this one marked as a 10Mbps so that explains a lot !
>
>Den
>--
>if it works and does the job why upgrade it,
>think of the landfill sites
>Though still kicking myself after only buying ONE RTL8139/10X for 4.99
>a couple of weeks ago !
>
I tend to think along the lines of 'if it takes too much effort to get
the old one going, get a new one'. I suppose it depends how much spare
time you have!
I always find it handy to have spares kicking around, (mostly second
hand but working), if one works and one doesn't, it gives an
indication of what might be the problem if all else fails.
...

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd.

"Lurch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I tend to think along the lines of 'if it takes too much effort to get
> the old one going, get a new one'. I suppose it depends how much spare
> time you have!
> I always find it handy to have spares kicking around, (mostly second
> hand but working), if one works and one doesn't, it gives an
> indication of what might be the problem if all else fails.
>
Is it possible to have an RJ45 network and a BNC one on same PC,
as this will save me upgrading the two older PC's or will this get complicated.

Den

In article <c1l6fr$jt0$(E-Mail Removed)>, "Den"
(E-Mail Removed) says...
>
> Is it possible to have an RJ45 network and a BNC one on same PC,

Yes

> as this will save me upgrading the two older PC's or will this get complicated.
>
I can't see your original post so I don't know what you're trying to do.

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:25:06 -0000, "Den"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>"Lurch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I tend to think along the lines of 'if it takes too much effort to get
>> the old one going, get a new one'. I suppose it depends how much spare
>> time you have!
>> I always find it handy to have spares kicking around, (mostly second
>> hand but working), if one works and one doesn't, it gives an
>> indication of what might be the problem if all else fails.
>>
>Is it possible to have an RJ45 network and a BNC one on same PC,
>as this will save me upgrading the two older PC's or will this get complicated.
>
With two different cards, yes. I can't see why you need to do this
though.
...

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd.