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Chad Richardson
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      10-22-2003, 04:33 AM
My neighbor has a stand alone home computer with Windows ME. He wants
to keep his daughter off of the computer entirely, via passwords as
opposed to his strict word. I went through many attempts at this which
I list below, but here is the net of what I am looking for (you will
see that I have listed what I think I need to do, so I am looking for
a validation as for one I am currently on the road and am trying to
research this as much as possible before I get back, and 2, its my
neighbor's computer, not mine, so I want to make sure I'm not going to
screw things up more!):

- at the very least, I cannot get rid of the Family Logon prompt. I
would like to get back to auto-logon (I have since seen Carey's
website and his links to MS KB articles to do this which I will try,
but if you see anything in the details below that would prevent this
from working, let me know)

- Ultimately I'd like to provide him with a solution to his original
problem, keep his daughter off...with no loop holes. I've read about
the 'MustBeValidated' registry setting, but I thought I read something
about this not working for a stand alone set up.


If you need to see what I've done so far, here it is, to the best of
my recallection:

- The initial config simply bypassed all logons and automatically
logged on the user
- I use the "Change Password" option to add a password
- then upon boot, I was prompted for user and password (user was
defaulted to "default")
- I realized daughter could simply hit "cancel" and still access
computer
- Thought maybe using Family logon could prevent this, so I added a
User, "Jim", via the control panel with a password.(prior to doing so,
it listed no users in the control panel "Users" option)
- I made Microsoft Family Logon the primary logon
- Upon boot, family logon displayed with one user, "Jim"
- I realized the daughter could still just hit "Cancel" upon receiving
the logon screen
- By then, I just wanted to get the computer back the way it was (and
after all, its not my computer) so I could go research my options
- I deleted user, "Jim" and rebooted and changed Primary logon as
Windows Logon (from Family).
- then upon boot still given the Family Logon, but there were no users
listed, so you had to hit "cancel" to logon (this was a little scary!)
- thought maybe I had to clear that password that I originally set in
the second step listed above, but could not since I "cancelled" my way
in
- I tried to add a user called "default" so I could see it in the list
of users from control panel>users from which I could then "Change
Password" (there were no users listed under control panel>users)
- got error message, User "default" already exists, but then it put me
back to the control panel>users listing which now listed "default" as
a user.
- I was now able to changed "default"s password to blank
- reboot, still prompts for password
- so I added back the password and upon reboot, you get the family
logon screen
- I just told my neighbor that I'd have to research this. In the
meantime, maybe this password prompt would throw his daughter off
until I can research this.

Thanks for any input you may have.

Chad
 
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Carey Holzman
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      10-22-2003, 07:57 AM
Why not just set a BIOS boot-up password?

Carey

"Chad Richardson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> My neighbor has a stand alone home computer with Windows ME. He wants
> to keep his daughter off of the computer entirely, via passwords as
> opposed to his strict word. I went through many attempts at this which
> I list below, but here is the net of what I am looking for (you will
> see that I have listed what I think I need to do, so I am looking for
> a validation as for one I am currently on the road and am trying to
> research this as much as possible before I get back, and 2, its my
> neighbor's computer, not mine, so I want to make sure I'm not going to
> screw things up more!):
>
> - at the very least, I cannot get rid of the Family Logon prompt. I
> would like to get back to auto-logon (I have since seen Carey's
> website and his links to MS KB articles to do this which I will try,
> but if you see anything in the details below that would prevent this
> from working, let me know)
>
> - Ultimately I'd like to provide him with a solution to his original
> problem, keep his daughter off...with no loop holes. I've read about
> the 'MustBeValidated' registry setting, but I thought I read something
> about this not working for a stand alone set up.
>
>
> If you need to see what I've done so far, here it is, to the best of
> my recallection:
>
> - The initial config simply bypassed all logons and automatically
> logged on the user
> - I use the "Change Password" option to add a password
> - then upon boot, I was prompted for user and password (user was
> defaulted to "default")
> - I realized daughter could simply hit "cancel" and still access
> computer
> - Thought maybe using Family logon could prevent this, so I added a
> User, "Jim", via the control panel with a password.(prior to doing so,
> it listed no users in the control panel "Users" option)
> - I made Microsoft Family Logon the primary logon
> - Upon boot, family logon displayed with one user, "Jim"
> - I realized the daughter could still just hit "Cancel" upon receiving
> the logon screen
> - By then, I just wanted to get the computer back the way it was (and
> after all, its not my computer) so I could go research my options
> - I deleted user, "Jim" and rebooted and changed Primary logon as
> Windows Logon (from Family).
> - then upon boot still given the Family Logon, but there were no users
> listed, so you had to hit "cancel" to logon (this was a little scary!)
> - thought maybe I had to clear that password that I originally set in
> the second step listed above, but could not since I "cancelled" my way
> in
> - I tried to add a user called "default" so I could see it in the list
> of users from control panel>users from which I could then "Change
> Password" (there were no users listed under control panel>users)
> - got error message, User "default" already exists, but then it put me
> back to the control panel>users listing which now listed "default" as
> a user.
> - I was now able to changed "default"s password to blank
> - reboot, still prompts for password
> - so I added back the password and upon reboot, you get the family
> logon screen
> - I just told my neighbor that I'd have to research this. In the
> meantime, maybe this password prompt would throw his daughter off
> until I can research this.
>
> Thanks for any input you may have.
>
> Chad



 
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Chad Richardson
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      10-22-2003, 09:32 PM
Oh...didn't know that was an option. So upon booting there should be
some F_ (F2 or F8) key to get into the BIOS then from there I should
see a boot password option? DO all BIOS have this? I will check it
out. Thanks for the suggestion.


"Carey Holzman" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<ekxO$(E-Mail Removed)>...
> Why not just set a BIOS boot-up password?
>
> Carey

 
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Carey Holzman
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      10-23-2003, 12:56 AM
Yes and Yes.

Let me know how it works for ya...

Carey

"Chad Richardson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> Oh...didn't know that was an option. So upon booting there should be
> some F_ (F2 or F8) key to get into the BIOS then from there I should
> see a boot password option? DO all BIOS have this? I will check it
> out. Thanks for the suggestion.
>
>
> "Carey Holzman" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message

news:<ekxO$(E-Mail Removed)>...
> > Why not just set a BIOS boot-up password?
> >
> > Carey



 
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