IT Staff Size

I was wondering if anyone could give some input on something. I am looking
to see what the average size of an IT Department is for 80 - 100 Users. If
anyone could give me some insight or even a good website to retrieve this
information from I would appreciate it.

Thanks, Jeff

We fall exactly into the 80-100. Our IT staff is one,...Me. There is a
Webmaster that takes care of the website's content that also "covers" for me
when I am on vacation.

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Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com


"p3jeff" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:FE9063C6-C267-43BC-A330-(E-Mail Removed)...
> I was wondering if anyone could give some input on something. I am
looking
> to see what the average size of an IT Department is for 80 - 100 Users.
If
> anyone could give me some insight or even a good website to retrieve this
> information from I would appreciate it.
>
> Thanks, Jeff

We too fall into this catagory. I am also the only IT person, and I have a
total of 5 warehouses in 3 different states I take care of. Unliuke Phillip
I also am the webmaster, luckily my CFO knows a lot about computers, so I do
have someone to cover for me.

I can also tell you my last job was at a college campus, and there were 3 of
us in the IT department that serviced over a 1000 students, around 17
buildings, and about a 100 faculty and staff. It was a realativly small
campus compared to some.

Hope this gives you some insight.

Eric

"p3jeff" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:FE9063C6-C267-43BC-A330-(E-Mail Removed)...
> I was wondering if anyone could give some input on something. I am
looking
> to see what the average size of an IT Department is for 80 - 100 Users.
If
> anyone could give me some insight or even a good website to retrieve this
> information from I would appreciate it.
>
> Thanks, Jeff

In other words,..we are slaves! They just let us were shoes and our shirts
aren't torn.. :-)

--

Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com

"Eric Graham" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> We too fall into this catagory. I am also the only IT person, and I have
a
> total of 5 warehouses in 3 different states I take care of. Unliuke
Phillip
> I also am the webmaster, luckily my CFO knows a lot about computers, so I
do
> have someone to cover for me.
>
> I can also tell you my last job was at a college campus, and there were 3
of
> us in the IT department that serviced over a 1000 students, around 17
> buildings, and about a 100 faculty and staff. It was a realativly small
> campus compared to some.
>
> Hope this gives you some insight.
>
> Eric
>
> "p3jeff" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:FE9063C6-C267-43BC-A330-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I was wondering if anyone could give some input on something. I am
> looking
> > to see what the average size of an IT Department is for 80 - 100 Users.
> If
> > anyone could give me some insight or even a good website to retrieve
this
> > information from I would appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks, Jeff
>
>

Being the only IT guy has it's benefits, though. Like...TOTAL job security.
"Nobody else here knows how to do this stuff. Gimme a raise!"

"Phillip Windell" wrote:

> In other words,..we are slaves! They just let us were shoes and our shirts
> aren't torn.. :-)
>
> --
>
> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> www.wandtv.com
>
> "Eric Graham" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > We too fall into this catagory. I am also the only IT person, and I have
> a
> > total of 5 warehouses in 3 different states I take care of. Unliuke
> Phillip
> > I also am the webmaster, luckily my CFO knows a lot about computers, so I
> do
> > have someone to cover for me.
> >
> > I can also tell you my last job was at a college campus, and there were 3
> of
> > us in the IT department that serviced over a 1000 students, around 17
> > buildings, and about a 100 faculty and staff. It was a realativly small
> > campus compared to some.
> >
> > Hope this gives you some insight.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > "p3jeff" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:FE9063C6-C267-43BC-A330-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I was wondering if anyone could give some input on something. I am
> > looking
> > > to see what the average size of an IT Department is for 80 - 100 Users.
> > If
> > > anyone could give me some insight or even a good website to retrieve
> this
> > > information from I would appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Jeff
> >
> >
>
>
>

Yah, except most the time "Gimme a raise" gets you as far as the stack of
resumes on HR's desk, file cabinet, and email inbox....

Unfortunately, 1999 came and went.

--
HTH,
=d=


Dana Brash
MCSE, MCDBA, MCSA

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"Tim Bott" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:EA82BCE2-E03A-4BD6-94E5-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Being the only IT guy has it's benefits, though. Like...TOTAL job
> security.
> "Nobody else here knows how to do this stuff. Gimme a raise!"
>
> "Phillip Windell" wrote:
>
>> In other words,..we are slaves! They just let us were shoes and our
>> shirts
>> aren't torn.. :-)
>>
>> --
>>
>> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
>> www.wandtv.com
>>
>> "Eric Graham" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > We too fall into this catagory. I am also the only IT person, and I
>> > have
>> a
>> > total of 5 warehouses in 3 different states I take care of. Unliuke
>> Phillip
>> > I also am the webmaster, luckily my CFO knows a lot about computers, so
>> > I
>> do
>> > have someone to cover for me.
>> >
>> > I can also tell you my last job was at a college campus, and there were
>> > 3
>> of
>> > us in the IT department that serviced over a 1000 students, around 17
>> > buildings, and about a 100 faculty and staff. It was a realativly
>> > small
>> > campus compared to some.
>> >
>> > Hope this gives you some insight.
>> >
>> > Eric
>> >
>> > "p3jeff" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> > news:FE9063C6-C267-43BC-A330-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > > I was wondering if anyone could give some input on something. I am
>> > looking
>> > > to see what the average size of an IT Department is for 80 - 100
>> > > Users.
>> > If
>> > > anyone could give me some insight or even a good website to retrieve
>> this
>> > > information from I would appreciate it.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks, Jeff
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

"Dana Brash" wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
: Yah, except most the time "Gimme a raise" gets you as far as the stack of
: resumes on HR's desk, file cabinet, and email inbox....
:
: Unfortunately, 1999 came and went.

Yes and now the users wait, and wait, and wait for support, the equipment
gets outdated, projects cannot take place without outsourcing, preventative
maintenance suffers, and the CFO eventually ends up selling the company,
putting the whole IT [1 person] out of a job.

Show me a CFO in charge of an IT department [which you could hardly call
with one person] and I'll show you someone who skimps on hardware, software,
tools, training, maintenance and upgrades, not to mention pay for the IT
support guy/gal buried somewhere underneath a desk somewhere.

However, I'm still trying to get over the statement that the CFO is a
technical backup. So, how many CFOs does it take to fix a computer? Nobody
knows. It's never been done.

What you've given the OP is a false sense that one person can run a network
of 80-100 people and while that may be true for break fix, there is more to
break fix in supporting a network. Surely I'm preaching to the choir. And,
what happens tomorrow when that one person doesn't show up for work anymore,
for whatever reason? That's not how you run a business. That's how you run
a business into the ground.

The last CFO I worked for said, "We're not upgrading until the hardware and
software mature." We all knew upgrades would never happen until he did the
same.

--
Roland Hall
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Online Support for IT Professionals -
http://support.microsoft.com/service...p?fr=0&sd=tech
How-to: Windows 2000 DNS:
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;308201
FAQ W2K/2K3 DNS:
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;291382

Acctually my CFO knows what he is doing when it comes to computers, and I
didn't say he backs me up on everything when I'm gone. All I can say is
thank goodness for VPN.


"Roland Hall" <nobody@nowhere> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> "Dana Brash" wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> : Yah, except most the time "Gimme a raise" gets you as far as the stack
of
> : resumes on HR's desk, file cabinet, and email inbox....
> :
> : Unfortunately, 1999 came and went.
>
> Yes and now the users wait, and wait, and wait for support, the equipment
> gets outdated, projects cannot take place without outsourcing,
preventative
> maintenance suffers, and the CFO eventually ends up selling the company,
> putting the whole IT [1 person] out of a job.
>
> Show me a CFO in charge of an IT department [which you could hardly call
> with one person] and I'll show you someone who skimps on hardware,
software,
> tools, training, maintenance and upgrades, not to mention pay for the IT
> support guy/gal buried somewhere underneath a desk somewhere.
>
> However, I'm still trying to get over the statement that the CFO is a
> technical backup. So, how many CFOs does it take to fix a computer?
Nobody
> knows. It's never been done.
>
> What you've given the OP is a false sense that one person can run a
network
> of 80-100 people and while that may be true for break fix, there is more
to
> break fix in supporting a network. Surely I'm preaching to the choir.
And,
> what happens tomorrow when that one person doesn't show up for work
anymore,
> for whatever reason? That's not how you run a business. That's how you
run
> a business into the ground.
>
> The last CFO I worked for said, "We're not upgrading until the hardware
and
> software mature." We all knew upgrades would never happen until he did
the
> same.
>
> --
> Roland Hall
> /* This information is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
> without any warranty; without even the implied warranty of merchantability
> or fitness for a particular purpose. */
> Online Support for IT Professionals -
> http://support.microsoft.com/service...p?fr=0&sd=tech
> How-to: Windows 2000 DNS:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;308201
> FAQ W2K/2K3 DNS:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;291382
>
>

> Yes and now the users wait, and wait, and wait for support, the equipment
> gets outdated, projects cannot take place without outsourcing,
> preventative
> maintenance suffers, and the CFO eventually ends up selling the company,
> putting the whole IT [1 person] out of a job.
>

Let alone properly testing updates and getting those rolled out in something
resembling adequate time, or managing the PII's they want us to install XP
on, with 64mb RAM ("My computer's too slow, XP sucks!"... yeah right!).
Problem is, if you're working in a sub 100 company (and even many larger
ones) they're busy making every penny count. Or so they think. I believe
the typical response is very 'penny wise, pound foolish'.

It's hard to sell the CFO on the benefit of a solid IT department. They
seem to lose track of "soft" costs such as lost opportunities due to
ineffective systems, missing emails, server downtimes, etc... and wait until
a problem truly bites them before realizing there's a problem. Of course,
then the problem is that the staff of one IT person didn't manage the
problem correctly. Did you ever notice how the C??'s inability to listen to
warnings translates into IT's lack of communication?

Instead of griping (which I've certainly been known to do) I wonder if we,
the smart ones, couldn't put our heads together and figure out a better way
to demonstrate the value that we bring to a company when we work together
with a properly sized team? It's really hard to point at ROI or something
that the people controlling the purse strings will understand, particularly
when they don't understand the technology. AND they certainly don't
understand the amount of time it takes to stay on top of the technology,
reading, testing, experimenting, etc. They must think we LIKE to work 16
hour days, and that if we only knew what we were doing we wouldn't have to.

I believe we all think better in groups, and are far more effective and
efficient that way. After all, isn't that why we're here (in the
newsgroups)? How do we convince the C??'s to bring us together in the
company? WE need to learn to prove that, by paying two, or three, or more
salaries, the company will realize larger ROI in the end. Then step up to
the plate and make the presentations.

EVERY project has a budget, whether you want to manage it or not: there is
ALWAYS a bottom line.

--
HTH,
=d=


Dana Brash
MCSE, MCDBA, MCSA

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"Dana Brash" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I believe we all think better in groups, and are far more effective and
> efficient that way. After all, isn't that why we're here (in the
> newsgroups)? How do we convince the C??'s to bring us together in the
> company?

That's why I like the MVP "gatherings" MS has a couple times a year.
Although, my employer has their problems,... many you've "nailed",...it
isn't the "end of the world in the next five minutes" either. When I go to
the MVP events they count it as a regular work day and don't count it
against my vacation time, so effectively I am getting paid to attend. I've
discovered that my attitude and outlook after I return from hanging out with
the other MVPs and MS Staff for the few days I attended is a little less
"dark & gloomy" than it usually is .

--

Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com