SSID shows up

Even with the SSID turned off on my AP it shows up on Net Stumbler. It
does not show up on any of the other AP viewers I have. What is
broadcast that Net Stumbler see that the others do not?

Thanks


Frank

"... -.-" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Even with the SSID turned off on my AP it shows up on Net Stumbler. It
> does not show up on any of the other AP viewers I have. What is
> broadcast that Net Stumbler see that the others do not?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Frank

Might be a defect with NS. I changed from WEP to WPA last
night and it still shows WEP encryption, despite other apps saying
otherwise......

73 de -.- --. ----- .-- -..-

> Even with the SSID turned off on my AP it shows up on Net Stumbler. It
> does not show up on any of the other AP viewers I have. What is
> broadcast that Net Stumbler see that the others do not?

You've just learned why turning off SSID broadcast is a pointless
exercise and has no security value. It only makes it slightly harder
for other newbies to avoid the channel that you're using.

David.

David Taylor wrote:
>>Even with the SSID turned off on my AP it shows up on Net Stumbler. It
>>does not show up on any of the other AP viewers I have. What is
>>broadcast that Net Stumbler see that the others do not?
>
>
> You've just learned why turning off SSID broadcast is a pointless
> exercise and has no security value. It only makes it slightly harder
> for other newbies to avoid the channel that you're using.
>
> David.
I understand that but still what is broadcast that allows the detection
of the actual SSID when its turned off?

.... -.- wrote:
> David Taylor wrote:
>>> Even with the SSID turned off on my AP it shows up on Net Stumbler. It
>>> does not show up on any of the other AP viewers I have. What is
>>> broadcast that Net Stumbler see that the others do not?
>>
>>
>> You've just learned why turning off SSID broadcast is a pointless
>> exercise and has no security value. It only makes it slightly harder
>> for other newbies to avoid the channel that you're using.
>>
>> David.
> I understand that but still what is broadcast that allows the detection
> of the actual SSID when its turned off?

Your computer running Netstumbler already knew the SSID of your wireless
network. Try removing your network completely from your computer so your
computer does not see your wireless network at all and can not connect. Then run
Netstumbler again. My guess is that it will not see your hidden SSID.

"DanR" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
>
> ... -.- wrote:
>> David Taylor wrote:
>>>> Even with the SSID turned off on my AP it shows up on Net Stumbler. It
>>>> does not show up on any of the other AP viewers I have. What is
>>>> broadcast that Net Stumbler see that the others do not?
>>>
>>>
>>> You've just learned why turning off SSID broadcast is a pointless
>>> exercise and has no security value. It only makes it slightly harder
>>> for other newbies to avoid the channel that you're using.
>>>
>>> David.
>> I understand that but still what is broadcast that allows the detection
>> of the actual SSID when its turned off?
>
> Your computer running Netstumbler already knew the SSID of your wireless
> network. Try removing your network completely from your computer so your
> computer does not see your wireless network at all and can not connect.
> Then run
> Netstumbler again. My guess is that it will not see your hidden SSID.
>
>
Mine shows the SSID of a neighbour's system and he has SSID broadcast turned
off. NetStumbler shows it. Switching off SSID does stop the local idiots
attempting connections.

That's because netstumbler has seen the SSID associated to the mac address
before or because you are connected to this network and netstumbler gets
the info from your WLAN administration program (win or specific WLAN card
application).

Don't panic! There's no mystery, no magic, no deus ex machina, no
malfunction... It's only networking tech.

VA (SK)



.... -.- wrote:

> Even with the SSID turned off on my AP it shows up on Net Stumbler. It
> does not show up on any of the other AP viewers I have. What is
> broadcast that Net Stumbler see that the others do not?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Frank

> Mine shows the SSID of a neighbour's system and he has SSID broadcast turned
> off. NetStumbler shows it. Switching off SSID does stop the local idiots
> attempting connections.

Kismet shows it too but Kismet detects the SSID from traffic.

There's no point turning off SSID broadcast. If you want to prevent the
locals making connections, just configure *any* security, as I said,
turning off SSID broadcast is more likely to result in neighbours using
the same channel because they can't see yours and thus won't avoid it.

David.

On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 23:53:42 GMT, in alt.internet.wireless , "DanR"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>> I understand that but still what is broadcast that allows the detection
>> of the actual SSID when its turned off?
>
>Your computer running Netstumbler already knew the SSID of your wireless
>network.

Possibly true. However, AFAIK the SSID is required in conversations
and is so within any exchanged packets, even with SSID broadcast
disabled. All that disabling broadcast does is stop the router
shouting it out.
Mark McIntyre
--

Is there an SDK or software (free) that I can use to authenticate users
prior to accessing the network via wireless?

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> "DanR" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> ... -.- wrote:
>>> David Taylor wrote:
>>>>> Even with the SSID turned off on my AP it shows up on Net Stumbler. It
>>>>> does not show up on any of the other AP viewers I have. What is
>>>>> broadcast that Net Stumbler see that the others do not?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You've just learned why turning off SSID broadcast is a pointless
>>>> exercise and has no security value. It only makes it slightly harder
>>>> for other newbies to avoid the channel that you're using.
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>> I understand that but still what is broadcast that allows the detection
>>> of the actual SSID when its turned off?
>>
>> Your computer running Netstumbler already knew the SSID of your wireless
>> network. Try removing your network completely from your computer so your
>> computer does not see your wireless network at all and can not connect.
>> Then run
>> Netstumbler again. My guess is that it will not see your hidden SSID.
>>
>>
> Mine shows the SSID of a neighbour's system and he has SSID broadcast
> turned off. NetStumbler shows it. Switching off SSID does stop the local
> idiots attempting connections.
>
>