Speedtouch 510 v4 Vs Draytek Vigor 2600 (firewall)

I am considering purchasing one of these two routers. I wondered whether the
2600 was worth the extra cost (rougly £40) just for the extra firewall
features.... I'm hoping for an in one box solution which will rid my system
of the need for a firewall.

The 2600 appears to have better support than the 510 v4 in terms of F/W
updates and the forum etc, although any questions I posted at Draytek's
forums asking whether people were happy resulted in my post being pulled
along with the account. Weird as this implies to me the 2600 is either crap
or they don't want to sell it...

Any opinions on either of the two would be greatly appreciated. I feel I
haven't seen enough information about either of the two. I understand that
the 510 v4 needs firewall rules to be input at the CLI (or hand typed into
the config files) but that Thompson supposedly intend to alter this in the
future with a f/w update (which apparently is long overdue). I'm also aware
that the 2600 has a web interface for the firewall and also has SPI to block
packets which don't meet certain specs an also DDos/DoS protection (which I
guess really isn't needed for a home ADSL user.)

I'm starting to come to the conclusion that the only solution is a s/w
firewall and that a h/w firewall can't really replace a s/w one...

Any thoughts would be helpful...

TIA

tHatDudeUK

tHatDudeUK wrote:
> I am considering purchasing one of these two routers. I wondered
> whether the 2600 was worth the extra cost (rougly £40) just for the
> extra firewall features.... I'm hoping for an in one box solution
> which will rid my system of the need for a firewall.
>
> The 2600 appears to have better support than the 510 v4 in terms of
> F/W updates and the forum etc, although any questions I posted at
> Draytek's forums asking whether people were happy resulted in my
> post being pulled along with the account. Weird as this implies to
> me the 2600 is either crap or they don't want to sell it...
>
> Any opinions on either of the two would be greatly appreciated. I
> feel I haven't seen enough information about either of the two. I
> understand that the 510 v4 needs firewall rules to be input at the
> CLI (or hand typed into the config files) but that Thompson
> supposedly intend to alter this in the future with a f/w update
> (which apparently is long overdue). I'm also aware that the 2600
> has a web interface for the firewall and also has SPI to block
> packets which don't meet certain specs an also DDos/DoS protection
> (which I guess really isn't needed for a home ADSL user.)

I can't give you any information about the kit but you are in error
about your thinking about protection from DDOS & DOS attacks as these
can & are experienced byt private individuals as well as businesses,
all you need to do is upset a script kiddy & away they go trying to
prove their masculinity/experience/knowledge or whatever by anymeans
they know how & DOS is just one of them.

Yes it has happened to me, they tried to mailbomb me as well, morphing
from account to account, still managed to get the account killed, only
problem is that it looks like he's back & sending HTML coded emails
with some type of payload encoded in them. Never mind if he's
concentrationg on me he's leaving everybody else alone & it helps keep
me on my toes.

You can never have to much security...

By the way I run a Netgear R0318 security router & have software
firewalls on all machines (just to control the out going)...




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Deal with it!!

Kraftee wrote:
> tHatDudeUK wrote:
>
>>I am considering purchasing one of these two routers. I wondered
>>whether the 2600 was worth the extra cost (rougly £40) just for the
>>extra firewall features.... I'm hoping for an in one box solution
>>which will rid my system of the need for a firewall.
>>
>>The 2600 appears to have better support than the 510 v4 in terms of
>>F/W updates and the forum etc, although any questions I posted at
>>Draytek's forums asking whether people were happy resulted in my
>>post being pulled along with the account. Weird as this implies to
>>me the 2600 is either crap or they don't want to sell it...
>>
>>Any opinions on either of the two would be greatly appreciated. I
>>feel I haven't seen enough information about either of the two. I
>>understand that the 510 v4 needs firewall rules to be input at the
>>CLI (or hand typed into the config files) but that Thompson
>>supposedly intend to alter this in the future with a f/w update
>>(which apparently is long overdue). I'm also aware that the 2600
>>has a web interface for the firewall and also has SPI to block
>>packets which don't meet certain specs an also DDos/DoS protection
>>(which I guess really isn't needed for a home ADSL user.)
>
>
> I can't give you any information about the kit but you are in error
> about your thinking about protection from DDOS & DOS attacks as these
> can & are experienced byt private individuals as well as businesses,
> all you need to do is upset a script kiddy & away they go trying to
> prove their masculinity/experience/knowledge or whatever by anymeans
> they know how & DOS is just one of them.
>
> Yes it has happened to me, they tried to mailbomb me as well, morphing
> from account to account, still managed to get the account killed, only
> problem is that it looks like he's back & sending HTML coded emails
> with some type of payload encoded in them. Never mind if he's
> concentrationg on me he's leaving everybody else alone & it helps keep
> me on my toes.
>
> You can never have to much security...
>
> By the way I run a Netgear R0318 security router & have software
> firewalls on all machines (just to control the out going)...
>
>
>
>

youre just being paranoid about the sobig virus

Mark&Lisa wrote:
> Kraftee wrote:
>> tHatDudeUK wrote:
>>
>>> I am considering purchasing one of these two routers. I wondered
>>> whether the 2600 was worth the extra cost (rougly £40) just for
>>> the extra firewall features.... I'm hoping for an in one box
>>> solution which will rid my system of the need for a firewall.
>>>
>>> The 2600 appears to have better support than the 510 v4 in terms
>>> of F/W updates and the forum etc, although any questions I posted
>>> at Draytek's forums asking whether people were happy resulted in
>>> my post being pulled along with the account. Weird as this
>>> implies to me the 2600 is either crap or they don't want to sell
>>> it...
>>>
>>> Any opinions on either of the two would be greatly appreciated. I
>>> feel I haven't seen enough information about either of the two. I
>>> understand that the 510 v4 needs firewall rules to be input at the
>>> CLI (or hand typed into the config files) but that Thompson
>>> supposedly intend to alter this in the future with a f/w update
>>> (which apparently is long overdue). I'm also aware that the 2600
>>> has a web interface for the firewall and also has SPI to block
>>> packets which don't meet certain specs an also DDos/DoS protection
>>> (which I guess really isn't needed for a home ADSL user.)
>>
>>
>> I can't give you any information about the kit but you are in error
>> about your thinking about protection from DDOS & DOS attacks as
>> these can & are experienced byt private individuals as well as
>> businesses, all you need to do is upset a script kiddy & away they
>> go trying to prove their masculinity/experience/knowledge or
>> whatever by anymeans they know how & DOS is just one of them.
>>
>> Yes it has happened to me, they tried to mailbomb me as well,
>> morphing from account to account, still managed to get the account
>> killed, only problem is that it looks like he's back & sending
>> HTML coded emails with some type of payload encoded in them.
>> Never mind if he's concentrationg on me he's leaving everybody
>> else alone & it helps keep me on my toes.
>>
>> You can never have to much security...
>>
>> By the way I run a Netgear R0318 security router & have software
>> firewalls on all machines (just to control the out going)...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> youre just being paranoid about the sobig virus

But it's not paranoia if it's actually happened or is happening, I've
got the logs & the emails sent to BTOpenworld (well it just had to be
that ISP, didn't it)...

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"Kraftee" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> But it's not paranoia if it's actually happened or is happening, I've
> got the logs & the emails sent to BTOpenworld (well it just had to be
> that ISP, didn't it)...

Lol, yep, sorry to say I think you wasted ur time... :-S

Tonybro wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been using the Vigor 2200USB with my Alcatel Speedtouch for
> nearly two years and not a sniff of a problem! Use the hardware
> firewall mainly to block incoming and s/w firewalls to check on
> anything suspicious from e-mails.
>
> Can't recommend the 2200 highly enough...
>

I would have agreed until my 18 month old 2200 USB fried itself last
week :-(. It's being sorted under warranty but in the meantime I've had
to replace it so went with a D-link 604+ "All in one" router/modem/WAP.
Throughput is considerably improved over the old 2200USB/Alcatel frog combo

Patrick

Roderick Stewart wrote:

> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Tonybro wrote:
>
>>I have been using the Vigor 2200USB with my Alcatel Speedtouch for
>>nearly two years and not a sniff of a problem! Use the hardware
>>firewall mainly to block incoming and s/w firewalls to check on
>>anything suspicious from e-mails.
>>
>>Can't recommend the 2200 highly enough...
>
>
> That's good to hear. I got one of these for 20 quid at a computer fair
> on Saturday. I don't think the bloke selling it can have realised what
> it was.
>
> Ironically, I've only recently bought a 2600 at full price (120+VAT),
> but the 2200 was impossible to resist, so maybe my daughter can have it
> when she gets broadband, and if not it was probably worth the price
> just for a spare power supply - yes, it was included.
>
> So I'll need a USB modem to go with it. What research I've done so far
> suggests that I can't just use any USB modem. It has to be one of a
> select list. Can you shed any light on this? Or has anybody got a frog
> they don't want at a silly price?
>
> Rod.
>

I have a frog going for £20 inc P&P

Patrick

"Patrick Navin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I would have agreed until my 18 month old 2200 USB fried itself last
> week :-(. It's being sorted under warranty but in the meantime I've had
> to replace it so went with a D-link 604+ "All in one" router/modem/WAP.
> Throughput is considerably improved over the old 2200USB/Alcatel frog
combo

Does the 2200USB not have a proper ADSL modem integrated then? I'd have
thought it would. DOes the 2600 have an integrated ADSL modem? I don't want
to make that silly mistake :-)

In article <bie1md$884k7$(E-Mail Removed)>, THatDudeUK wrote:
> Does the 2200USB not have a proper ADSL modem integrated then? I'd have
> thought it would. DOes the 2600 have an integrated ADSL modem? I don't want
> to make that silly mistake :-)
>
The 2200USB is specifically designed to add the full functionality of a
router, firewall and ethernet switched hub to a USB modem. Some all-in-one
starter accounts with ISPs include a "free" modem which is usually a USB
type, the famous frog apparently being one of the most popular. If you've
already got one of these and don't want to throw it away you can simply add a
2200USB and end up with a full LAN system. Or so I hope.

The 2600 is more or less the same as a 2200USB, plus an ADSL modem, all in
the same box.

Rod.