Speeding up MAX

Having just been enabled for ADSL Max, I was quite dissapointed to find that
the line was syncing at only 3.2m, when a couple of other neighbours are
syncing at 7.2+. I have noted that they have had new lines installed with
twisted pair dropfeed, but mine is a really sorry looking run of cable sort
of lightish grey colour with bits flaking off here and there. It really
looks a shoddy mess. If I pay BT to come out and replace this drop feed, is
it possible my sync speed may possibly increase? We are all fed from the
same telegraph pole, but I know little about what other things may be
restricting the speed.

James

What are your line stats ie: snr margin and attenuation? If you could
compare these stats with those of your neighbours as they will give a good
indication of the actual quality of their lines compared to yours. Are you
using a router or usb modem? Could be your internal wiring causing
difficulty with the adsl signal. In any case if your line has just been
enabled for max it may take up to 10 days to settle down.
Alan

"James Malonie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Having just been enabled for ADSL Max, I was quite dissapointed to find
> that
> the line was syncing at only 3.2m, when a couple of other neighbours are
> syncing at 7.2+. I have noted that they have had new lines installed with
> twisted pair dropfeed, but mine is a really sorry looking run of cable
> sort
> of lightish grey colour with bits flaking off here and there. It really
> looks a shoddy mess. If I pay BT to come out and replace this drop feed,
> is
> it possible my sync speed may possibly increase? We are all fed from the
> same telegraph pole, but I know little about what other things may be
> restricting the speed.
>
> James
>
>
>
>

"Alan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:44898b57$0$15930$(E-Mail Removed)...
> What are your line stats ie: snr margin and attenuation? If you could
> compare these stats with those of your neighbours as they will give a good
> indication of the actual quality of their lines compared to yours. Are you
> using a router or usb modem? Could be your internal wiring causing
> difficulty with the adsl signal. In any case if your line has just been
> enabled for max it may take up to 10 days to settle down.
> Alan


That is bullshit alan. If as the OP says, hiis line is syning at 3.2mbit
each time he connects, then thats down to line noise and wont do any
settling down for the better, after 10 days, or 10 weeks or 10 months. What
are you
talking rubbish for?

"James Malonie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Having just been enabled for ADSL Max, I was quite dissapointed to find
that
> the line was syncing at only 3.2m, when a couple of other neighbours are
> syncing at 7.2+. I have noted that they have had new lines installed with
> twisted pair dropfeed, but mine is a really sorry looking run of cable
sort
> of lightish grey colour with bits flaking off here and there. It really
> looks a shoddy mess. If I pay BT to come out and replace this drop feed,
is
> it possible my sync speed may possibly increase? We are all fed from the
> same telegraph pole, but I know little about what other things may be
> restricting the speed.
>
> James

I would say its a good chance that your line feed is causing the massive
drop in sync, but I'm sure there is someone in here with more experience who
would comment.

William

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Eric <000@000.00> writes
>
>"Alan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:44898b57$0$15930$(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> What are your line stats ie: snr margin and attenuation? If you could
>> compare these stats with those of your neighbours as they will give a good
>> indication of the actual quality of their lines compared to yours. Are you
>> using a router or usb modem? Could be your internal wiring causing
>> difficulty with the adsl signal. In any case if your line has just been
>> enabled for max it may take up to 10 days to settle down.
>> Alan
>
>
>That is bullshit alan. If as the OP says, hiis line is syning at 3.2mbit
>each time he connects, then thats down to line noise and wont do any
>settling down for the better, after 10 days, or 10 weeks or 10 months. What
>are you
>talking rubbish for?
>
>
>

Err not quite. On a newly supplied ADSL Max service and we've had a lot of
them recently, BT will max the line up and see where it falls over, as it
were, determine that point and then back it off to what they think will be a
stable line rate. And they do that over a 10 day period during which time the
line will drop quite frequently.

Course this is affected by line length and quality but I do feel that the 8
Meg service is not as good as its claims to be, as we're only 700 yards from
the serving exchange, and yes, we know where the cables go but only get 4 .8
Meg so I think that the ASA ought to take up this rather optimistically
oversold service;!.


That said, in practice it isn't really any better then the old 2 meg circuit
and if I had to pay a lot more for it.. wouldn't bother!.

What it is good for is the slightly faster upstream at 488 k/bits.

FWIW the router we have a Draytek is showing 8120000 odd
on the down...
--
Tony Sayer

"James Malonie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Having just been enabled for ADSL Max, I was quite dissapointed to find
> that
> the line was syncing at only 3.2m, when a couple of other neighbours are
> syncing at 7.2+. I have noted that they have had new lines installed with
> twisted pair dropfeed, but mine is a really sorry looking run of cable
> sort
> of lightish grey colour with bits flaking off here and there. It really
> looks a shoddy mess. If I pay BT to come out and replace this drop feed,
> is
> it possible my sync speed may possibly increase? We are all fed from the
> same telegraph pole, but I know little about what other things may be
> restricting the speed.
>
> James
>
>
>
>

It is probably a long way to the exchange. In between it and your place
there could be miles of thin stretched aluminium wiring complete with a
selection of corroded and occasionally submerged contact joints, then maybe
a shorter run on poles through trees and perched on by birds. The last few
feet are unlikely to be the whole story.

tony sayer wrote:

> I think that the ASA ought to take up this rather optimistically oversold
> service!

Quite - it's like selling a bottle of vitamin C pills and saying they could
help you live 'up to' the age of 150.
BT knew fine well from the outset that
a) 8M is a theoretical maximum
b) That few people are going to attain it
c) most service providers aren't going to increase their backhaul to 4x
what it was when the fastest available was 2M, so sync speeds are moot
anyway

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Alan wrote:
> What are your line stats ie: snr margin and attenuation? If you
> could compare these stats with those of your neighbours as they
> will give a good indication of the actual quality of their lines
> compared to yours. Are you using a router or usb modem? Could be
> your internal wiring causing difficulty with the adsl signal. In
> any case if your line has just been enabled for max it may take up
> to 10 days to settle down.

& don't forget the 3 days to self adjust if the line is improved, yet
a few hours if the line gets worse..

R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> "James Malonie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Having just been enabled for ADSL Max, I was quite dissapointed to
>> find that
>> the line was syncing at only 3.2m, when a couple of other
>> neighbours are syncing at 7.2+. I have noted that they have had
>> new lines installed with twisted pair dropfeed, but mine is a
>> really sorry looking run of cable sort
>> of lightish grey colour with bits flaking off here and there. It
>> really looks a shoddy mess. If I pay BT to come out and replace
>> this drop feed, is
>> it possible my sync speed may possibly increase? We are all fed
>> from the same telegraph pole, but I know little about what other
>> things may be restricting the speed.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> It is probably a long way to the exchange. In between it and your
> place there could be miles of thin stretched aluminium wiring
> complete with a selection of corroded and occasionally submerged
> contact joints, then maybe a shorter run on poles through trees and
> perched on by birds. The last few feet are unlikely to be the
> whole story.


In most cases what you say may be true, but the OP specificaly states
that it is flaking, which could mean corrosion/noise/RF problems which
could be all that stands in his way to the Minerva of 8Mbps. Hell
I've known it to stop the service, at any level, in the past & a very
satisfying 45 minutes it can be as well, just to see the end users
face light up when it's up & running after x number of weeks...

"kráftéé" <kraftee@dontspamkrafteeunless you know what'sgoodforu.pus.com>
wrote in message news:4489d902$0$959$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Alan wrote:
> > What are your line stats ie: snr margin and attenuation? If you
> > could compare these stats with those of your neighbours as they
> > will give a good indication of the actual quality of their lines
> > compared to yours. Are you using a router or usb modem? Could be
> > your internal wiring causing difficulty with the adsl signal. In
> > any case if your line has just been enabled for max it may take up
> > to 10 days to settle down.
>
> & don't forget the 3 days to self adjust if the line is improved, yet
> a few hours if the line gets worse..

Kraftee

So lets say, as the OP says his line is currently syncing at 3.2mbit, and he
gets a 'brand new shiny line' installed and it makes a massive improvement
to the line quality... If he connects to the net with his new good quality
line, are you saying that the sync speed would still show 3.2mbit on his
router for 3 days after the improvement was made?

So for three days, he wouldn't know if there had been any improvment in the
line or not? I thought that ADSL Max syncronised at the highest possible
level each and every time a connection was started?

William