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zeebop
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      04-05-2004, 07:44 PM
If a typical switch can deal with transfers of up to 10Mb or 100Mb,
what can a wireless switch or router deal with?
 
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      04-05-2004, 08:17 PM
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> If a typical switch can deal with transfers of up to 10Mb or 100Mb,
> what can a wireless switch or router deal with?


100 on the fixed network (but will be compatible with products that work at
10), and then whatever the standard supports wireless - i.e. 54 if its
802.11g.

This is a generalisation of cource but it would be rare to find anything
different.

Sam


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      04-05-2004, 10:01 PM
On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:17:30 +0100, "Albrow, Sam J"
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>"zeebop" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> If a typical switch can deal with transfers of up to 10Mb or 100Mb,
>> what can a wireless switch or router deal with?

>
>100 on the fixed network (but will be compatible with products that work at
>10), and then whatever the standard supports wireless - i.e. 54 if its
>802.11g.
>
>This is a generalisation of cource but it would be rare to find anything
>different.
>
>Sam
>
>



So it sounds like PC to PC transfer across wireless is approx half
what you can do on a wired network?
 
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      04-05-2004, 10:12 PM
zeebop wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:17:30 +0100, "Albrow, Sam J"
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>>"zeebop" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>If a typical switch can deal with transfers of up to 10Mb or 100Mb,
>>>what can a wireless switch or router deal with?

>>
>>100 on the fixed network (but will be compatible with products that work at
>>10), and then whatever the standard supports wireless - i.e. 54 if its
>>802.11g.
>>
>>This is a generalisation of cource but it would be rare to find anything
>>different.
>>
>>Sam
>>
>>

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> So it sounds like PC to PC transfer across wireless is approx half
> what you can do on a wired network?


On a good day!!!

802.11g makes a *lot* of difference to just going over 802.11b

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      04-05-2004, 10:42 PM
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> So it sounds like PC to PC transfer across wireless is approx half
> what you can do on a wired network?


Well, like Sam was getting at, it depends on which standard of wireless is
in use.

Found this:-
http://wireless.about.com/cs/wireles...elessspeed.htm
"The performance of Wi-Fi networks in practice never approaches the
theoretical maximum. 802.11b networks, for example, generally operate no
faster than about 50% of theoretical peak, or 5.5 Mbps. Likewise, 802.11a
and 802.11g networks generally run no faster than 20 Mbps. The disparity
between theoretical and practical performance comes from protocol overhead,
signal interference, and decreasing signal distance with distance. In
addition, the more devices communicating on a WLAN simultaneously, the
slower the network will appear."

I've got a friend with a Netgear wireless setup, think it's 802.11g+
(officially, it's 54Mbps, but, it uses channel bonding to get 108Mbps).
108Mbps sounds faster than the 100Mbps you would get from wired fast
ethernet. But, as the article from about.com (above) points out, this would
not be the case.

Mainly, it all depends on the network equipment in use.

Wireless is a *broadcast* form of communications.
If we take an example of 8 PCs on a wireless 54Mbps network, 4 of which are
simultaneously sending massive amounts of data to the other 4, then the
network will easily become flooded, because the entire network (in this
instance) only has 54Mbps to service all 8 clients.

The same example on a switched, wired network, and each pair of PCs (1
sending, 1 receiving) has 100Mbps of it's own, with no impact to the other 3
pairs of conversations. In this instance, the network is acheiving 400Mbps
(broken down into 4 seperate 100Mbps).

Of course, this is just a lay-mans example, there are many other points to
consider.

In reality, you would be unlikely to network 8 network-heavy PCs via
wireless, and transfer such large files concurrently.

Likewise, home users may connect their PCs via hubs, and not via full-duplex
switches.
Difference between hubs and switches:-
http://wireless.about.com/library/tips/blfaq011.htm

If you take the about.com example of 802.11g getting around 20Mbps - then
this should more than suffice for the average, small home network. Even for
streaming high quality video/audio.

Some wireless devices (and I'm thinking of the wireless modem/routers in
particular here) have built-in 10/100 hub/switches. So, I guess the thing to
do if you are thinking of going down the wireless route, and you want to
optimise your network for speed, is to only go wireless for the devices that
you *have* to have wireless. (Sounds a little obvious!)
So, if you can hard-wire your PCs into the hub/switch, then do it.
If your PS2/XBox are too far away, then let them go wireless.

HTH

Baz


 
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Richard Tobin
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      04-05-2004, 10:56 PM
In article <Qcjcc.30285$Y%(E-Mail Removed)>,
Albrow, Sam J <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>> If a typical switch can deal with transfers of up to 10Mb or 100Mb,
>> what can a wireless switch or router deal with?


>100 on the fixed network (but will be compatible with products that work at
>10), and then whatever the standard supports wireless - i.e. 54 if its
>802.11g.


Not in practice unfortunately. You can really get close to 100Mb/s
out of a wired network, but I have never seen more than 6Mb/s on 11b,
and from reviews I have read the best with 11g is around 15-20Mb/s.

Don't believe what the system tells you, measure it yourself with the
protocols you actually use.

-- Richard
 
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      04-05-2004, 10:59 PM
In article <c4sn9f$2m8lo5$(E-Mail Removed)>,
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>Likewise, home users may connect their PCs via hubs, and not via full-duplex
>switches.


It's getting hard to buy a real hub these days. Buy something
advertised as a 4-port hub for £20 and it turns out to a switch...

-- Richard
 
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