Sky router and DMZ

For simplicity I have always placed my xbox 360 ip address in the router DMZ
to save having to forward ports. This has enabled me a flawless service and
its how I want my PS3 setup.

On my old router I could place any number of ip addresses in the DMZ, but on
the Sky netgear router it appears I can only place one IP address in.

So I have set both consoles to use 192.168.0.99 and they work individually.
But occasionally I might need both connected at the same time - maybe to
play PS3 and to keep 360 alive to monitor friends list. I have not tried it
yet but I assume if I try to connect both at the same time I would get an ip
address conflict.

Is there any way to force the sky router to accept another ip address in the
DMZ?

"Beck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> For simplicity I have always placed my xbox 360 ip address in the router
> DMZ to save having to forward ports. This has enabled me a flawless
> service and its how I want my PS3 setup.

Also, something else I meant to ask. If for example I have the ip address
for the ps3 as 192.168.0.99 and have that in the DMZ, what would happen when
I run linux on the PS3? Will the linux try and use the same ip address or
will it pick up a new one seeing as its on a different partition? Obviously
DMZ is a security risk and I do not want the linux to be running in it.

"Beck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Beck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> For simplicity I have always placed my xbox 360 ip address in the router
>> DMZ to save having to forward ports. This has enabled me a flawless
>> service and its how I want my PS3 setup.
>
> Also, something else I meant to ask. If for example I have the ip address
> for the ps3 as 192.168.0.99 and have that in the DMZ, what would happen
> when I run linux on the PS3? Will the linux try and use the same ip
> address or will it pick up a new one seeing as its on a different
> partition? Obviously DMZ is a security risk and I do not want the linux
> to be running in it.

I would just setup port forwarding and forget about it. I setup the ports
on a NetGear 834 something or other last weekend and it's easy. Then turn
off the DMZ and stop worrying.

XBL is trivial, 3074 UDP and TCP and 88 UDP. Well I think that's the ones.

Have a look on here. http://portforward.com/

"WCZ" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Beck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Beck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:evftqc$jgo$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> For simplicity I have always placed my xbox 360 ip address in the router
>>> DMZ to save having to forward ports. This has enabled me a flawless
>>> service and its how I want my PS3 setup.
>>
>> Also, something else I meant to ask. If for example I have the ip
>> address for the ps3 as 192.168.0.99 and have that in the DMZ, what would
>> happen when I run linux on the PS3? Will the linux try and use the same
>> ip address or will it pick up a new one seeing as its on a different
>> partition? Obviously DMZ is a security risk and I do not want the linux
>> to be running in it.
>
> I would just setup port forwarding and forget about it. I setup the ports
> on a NetGear 834 something or other last weekend and it's easy. Then turn
> off the DMZ and stop worrying.
>
> XBL is trivial, 3074 UDP and TCP and 88 UDP. Well I think that's the ones.
>
> Have a look on here. http://portforward.com/

I have no idea on how to do port forwarding so will need to look into my
router and see if I can figure it out.

"WCZ" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Beck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Beck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:evftqc$jgo$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> For simplicity I have always placed my xbox 360 ip address in the router
>>> DMZ to save having to forward ports. This has enabled me a flawless
>>> service and its how I want my PS3 setup.
>>
>> Also, something else I meant to ask. If for example I have the ip
>> address for the ps3 as 192.168.0.99 and have that in the DMZ, what would
>> happen when I run linux on the PS3? Will the linux try and use the same
>> ip address or will it pick up a new one seeing as its on a different
>> partition? Obviously DMZ is a security risk and I do not want the linux
>> to be running in it.
>
> I would just setup port forwarding and forget about it. I setup the ports
> on a NetGear 834 something or other last weekend and it's easy. Then turn
> off the DMZ and stop worrying.
>
> XBL is trivial, 3074 UDP and TCP and 88 UDP. Well I think that's the ones.
>
> Have a look on here. http://portforward.com/
>

Looks like the PS3 is more complicated with possibly more ports required.

Port 4658 UDP seems to be the main one. Although there are a bunch of
others. I'd start by forwarding 4658 and work from there if you get
problems.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/play...hread.id=47861

"The port numbers for PLAYSTATION®Network servers used for this are TCP: 80,
443, 5223 and UDP: 3478, 3479.

For voice / video chat and online game play, direct communication with other
PS3™ systems is used for data transmission during voice / video chat and
online gaming. The port number used for this is UDP: 3658. However, you may
need to use a different port number when you are connected using a NAT
router."

"If your getting a NAT Type of Type 1, Type 2, or Type 3 you should be okay
either of those 3 work. Im not sure if the PS3 has NAT Type 4 but there is
four types of NAT...Full cone NAT, restricted cone NAT, port restricted cone
NAT or symmetric NAT. Also since the PS3 states them as Type 1, 2, 3, maybe
4 (havent seen it) im not sure what each Type is from the 4 types there is.
So if your are getting some Type of NAT then dont worry about what one it
is. But if your getting a NAT Type failed then thats a problem becuase you
cant connect to the Playstation Network when your NAT Type fails.

Ports to Open:

10070-10080 TCP
80-80 TCP
50000-50000 UDP
6000-7000 UDP
10070-10080 UDP"

"WCZ" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "WCZ" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> "Beck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>> "Beck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:evftqc$jgo$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> For simplicity I have always placed my xbox 360 ip address in the
>>>> router DMZ to save having to forward ports. This has enabled me a
>>>> flawless service and its how I want my PS3 setup.
>>>
>>> Also, something else I meant to ask. If for example I have the ip
>>> address for the ps3 as 192.168.0.99 and have that in the DMZ, what would
>>> happen when I run linux on the PS3? Will the linux try and use the same
>>> ip address or will it pick up a new one seeing as its on a different
>>> partition? Obviously DMZ is a security risk and I do not want the linux
>>> to be running in it.
>>
>> I would just setup port forwarding and forget about it. I setup the
>> ports on a NetGear 834 something or other last weekend and it's easy.
>> Then turn off the DMZ and stop worrying.
>>
>> XBL is trivial, 3074 UDP and TCP and 88 UDP. Well I think that's the
>> ones.
>>
>> Have a look on here. http://portforward.com/
>>
>
> Looks like the PS3 is more complicated with possibly more ports required.
>
> Port 4658 UDP seems to be the main one. Although there are a bunch of
> others. I'd start by forwarding 4658 and work from there if you get
> problems.
>
> http://boardsus.playstation.com/play...hread.id=47861
>
> "The port numbers for PLAYSTATION®Network servers used for this are TCP:
> 80, 443, 5223 and UDP: 3478, 3479.
>
> For voice / video chat and online game play, direct communication with
> other PS3T systems is used for data transmission during voice / video chat
> and online gaming. The port number used for this is UDP: 3658. However,
> you may need to use a different port number when you are connected using a
> NAT router."
>
> "If your getting a NAT Type of Type 1, Type 2, or Type 3 you should be
> okay either of those 3 work. Im not sure if the PS3 has NAT Type 4 but
> there is four types of NAT...Full cone NAT, restricted cone NAT, port
> restricted cone NAT or symmetric NAT. Also since the PS3 states them as
> Type 1, 2, 3, maybe 4 (havent seen it) im not sure what each Type is from
> the 4 types there is. So if your are getting some Type of NAT then dont
> worry about what one it is. But if your getting a NAT Type failed then
> thats a problem becuase you cant connect to the Playstation Network when
> your NAT Type fails.
>
> Ports to Open:
>
> 10070-10080 TCP
> 80-80 TCP
> 50000-50000 UDP
> 6000-7000 UDP
> 10070-10080 UDP"

Bloody hell this is making me more confused and nervous.
Maybe its better to have the PS3 in DMZ and set the 360 ones manually.
Providing of course PS3 linux does not use same ip address that would be
okay.

Beck wrote:
> For simplicity I have always placed my xbox 360 ip address in the router
> DMZ
> to save having to forward ports. This has enabled me a flawless service
> and
> its how I want my PS3 setup.

I have not had any need to to do such a thing on my sky router, or in fact,
any adsl router i have attatched to my xboxlive..

Gaz

"Gaz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Beck wrote:
>> For simplicity I have always placed my xbox 360 ip address in the router
>> DMZ
>> to save having to forward ports. This has enabled me a flawless service
>> and
>> its how I want my PS3 setup.
>
> I have not had any need to to do such a thing on my sky router, or in
> fact, any adsl router i have attatched to my xboxlive..

I did with my xbox live. I was having problems with some people hearing me
on chat (probably a good thing) so I needed an open nat setting.

> Is there any way to force the sky router to accept another ip address in the
> DMZ?

I'm not too hot on networking, but i'm wondering if you could put a
simple dumb switch in place (do these give out MAC addresses ?) - and
set that up as the DMZ - then simply plug box the hexpox and pissy3
into the switch.

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:51:24 +0100, in uk.telecom.broadband , Colin
Wilson <(E-Mail Removed) o.uk> wrote:

>> Is there any way to force the sky router to accept another ip address in the
>> DMZ?
>
>I'm not too hot on networking, but i'm wondering if you could put a
>simple dumb switch in place (do these give out MAC addresses ?)

Switches don't have or dish out IP addresses, so this won't work.
Since you (probably ) only have 1 IP addy from your ISP, you need a
router.
--
Mark McIntyre