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      07-18-2008, 07:10 AM
My daughter rang last night she as just moved house, had cable at the old
house but no cable in newer house build.
So she has got BT phone line and Sky TV with a "free" BB extra.
She is complaining of it being faulty by being slow and ages to download.
Now I guess being "free" it will be a minimum starter speed they giving her
and extra to pay for faster, am I correct?
Is Sky BB reliable and good, I think she might well be seeing difference
between the fibre optic cable and copper wire systems.

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      07-18-2008, 07:29 AM
David wrote:
> My daughter rang last night she as just moved house, had cable at the
> old house but no cable in newer house build.
> So she has got BT phone line and Sky TV with a "free" BB extra.
> She is complaining of it being faulty by being slow and ages to download.
> Now I guess being "free" it will be a minimum starter speed they giving
> her and extra to pay for faster, am I correct?
> Is Sky BB reliable and good, I think she might well be seeing difference
> between the fibre optic cable and copper wire systems.
>


It would help if you specified the router stats for the line. My Netgear
router (the "white" one) has on the 2Mb free BB:
down up
speed: 2048 416
attenuation: 63.5 31.5
noise margin: 13.1 13.0

and has been from the outset. Downloads are site dependent, but
frequently are reported in the range 180KB/s to 216KB/s (Firefox
downloading) :-)

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      07-18-2008, 08:08 AM


"PeeGee" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>> My daughter rang last night she as just moved house, had cable at the old
>> house but no cable in newer house build.
>> So she has got BT phone line and Sky TV with a "free" BB extra.
>> She is complaining of it being faulty by being slow and ages to download.
>> Now I guess being "free" it will be a minimum starter speed they giving
>> her and extra to pay for faster, am I correct?
>> Is Sky BB reliable and good, I think she might well be seeing difference
>> between the fibre optic cable and copper wire systems.
>>

>
> It would help if you specified the router stats for the line. My Netgear
> router (the "white" one) has on the 2Mb free BB:
> down up
> speed: 2048 416
> attenuation: 63.5 31.5
> noise margin: 13.1 13.0
>
> and has been from the outset. Downloads are site dependent, but frequently
> are reported in the range 180KB/s to 216KB/s (Firefox downloading) :-)
>


She is at the other end of the country to me so I do not have have the info.
I've asked her to run a speed check for me.
I was just wanting to get a feel for Sky free BB vs. cable.
Sky CS tell her it is because she uses an extension cable to their wireless
router, and she should use a wireless adaptor on the PC and not use the
extension lead. My other daughter is today posting her a usb wireless
adaptor.

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      07-18-2008, 10:38 AM
> She is at the other end of the country to me so I do not have have the info.
> I've asked her to run a speed check for me.
> I was just wanting to get a feel for Sky free BB vs. cable.
> Sky CS tell her it is because she uses an extension cable to their wireless
> router, and she should use a wireless adaptor on the PC and not use the
> extension lead. * My other daughter is today posting her a usb wireless
> adaptor.


Well it may well be causing a problem, so they are not totally wrong,
but these questions are part of troubleshooting. If she were to go
onto the same 2mb package with virgin media she would get a worse
service than sky, because becuase they would reduce the speed after
she downloaded a certain amount and they do this on all their
packages.

On a technical level Virgin Media's service is more capable to achieve
high speeds upto 100mbps if they were selling, however for commercial
reasons, they limit usage because of the high loads it creates on
their network. The twist pair copper for ADSL is less capable and is
more prone to high loss of signals and noise which reduces the speed
you can get. And because these factors are effect by line length and
quality of copper and even age of the line there are more issues.

Report the speed test results, she may want to download a file from
Rapidshare on a level3 mirror, that will be a very good indication of
speed. The difference is this between cable and its and more due to
commercial and not technical reasons, she will download a 300MB file
possible quicker on a cable connection than ADSL but a 3GB file
possibly quicker on a ADSL connection because she will get a sustained
speed and the speed will not be reduced after a certain amount of MB.

Sky should provide you better service than say the like of Tiscali,
and even BT, when you connection is running its fine, in most cases
people see increases in speed, if they have moves on the same line
from another ISP. BUT if you have to call Customer service, the only
people that will ever help you are the UK call center's and that is
pot luck to see who you get.

In any case what does it matter, she can't get cable so she is stuck
with an ADSL connection, and for speed sky will give a decent speed of
what the line is capable of. There are some things that you can do
though to test the line, and eliminate the internal wiring. The
skyuser forum is great for all of the Sky BB related information. Here
is the link to the guide you need to do testing at the master socket,
http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/view-master.html . Its pretty simple
and it should give a good idea of the speed. By the way she should
check the speed by opening her browser and typing in 192.168.0.1 and
the default username and password is 'admin' , 'sky'. There should be
a 'DownStream Connection Speed' post that back and click on the 'show
statistics' button and post that back here and we should be able to
clear everything up. Do all of this at the test socket.

 
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      07-18-2008, 11:39 AM

"David" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> My daughter rang last night she as just moved house, had cable at the old
> house but no cable in newer house build.
> So she has got BT phone line and Sky TV with a "free" BB extra.
> She is complaining of it being faulty by being slow and ages to download.
> Now I guess being "free" it will be a minimum starter speed they giving
> her and extra to pay for faster, am I correct?
> Is Sky BB reliable and good, I think she might well be seeing difference
> between the fibre optic cable and copper wire systems.
>
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Make sure she has her filters set right and installed on all sockets in the
house with phones plugged in, classic mistake is to have the phone extension
coming from the skybox in front of the filter, instead of behind the
filter..

The skybb free package is perfectly fine, and while the limit it at 2mb, it
is still fine.

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      07-18-2008, 05:29 PM
Daughter just rang with situation update.
Sky CS just phoned her to say they had contacted BT, and a fault found by
them and corrected. She now finds an increase in speed which is giving
satisfactory working using her telephone extention lead. She will be
trying the speed test over the weekend.
Thankyou to all for help and advice.

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      07-20-2008, 08:28 AM


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> Mark McIntyre wrote
> on Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:36:12 +0100 in message
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>>David wrote:
>>> Sky CS tell her it is because she uses an extension cable to their
>>> wireless router, and she should use a wireless adaptor on the PC and not
>>> use the extension lead.

>>
>>Thats utter cat cr**, they're making stuff up. I presume you mean she's
>>using a network cable from her PC to the router - that will be /more/
>>reliable than wireless.
>>

>
> I read it to mean, they have an extension cable from the phone socket to
> reach the router which is by the computer. This method can indeed cause
> poor speeds, crazy when you think the length the line may have come to get
> to the house, however many extensions are poor quality and can tip it
> over.
>
> I think what Sky are saying is have the router connected at a master
> socket
> and then use the wireless side of the router to connect the PC.
>
> I'd rather have the router connected to the master socket and then a long
> enough CAT5 cable to connect it to the PC.
>
>
>>Anyway to eliminate the possibility, get a REALLY SHORT length of cat5
>>network cable and stick the PC right next to the router. If it still
>>doesn't work, you know its Sky's problem.


First thanks for responses.
My daughter wishes to use a telephone extension lead, and not ethernet cable
as I would have done.
Sky were right the extension was not a good one as flat cable aparenty prone
to problems. She replaced with a round cabled one and got service through
it. Not perfect but now working.
Sky CS unknown to her continude to work on her behalf and next day rang to
say they had had BT check line. BT had found fault and had corrected it.
She now is onto internet with satisfactory connection.

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      07-20-2008, 11:08 AM
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> David wrote:
> >
> > My daughter wishes to use a telephone extension lead, and not ethernet
> > cable as I would have done.

>
> Right - so she ran a phone extension from the master socket to near her
> PC, and put the router there. In that case I can see Sky's point - many
> cheap phone extensions are poor quality and also they're prone to
> getting stepped on / pinched in doors.
>

Practically all pre-made phone extension cables are unsuitable to carry
the combined phone and ADSL signal any distance, being made using flat
cable with the cores untwisted. Extension kits, where you get a length
of twisted pair cable, plug and a slave socket are better. Best of all
is to have the ADSL modem/router connected to a replacement filtered
master faceplate, with all the phone wiring connected to this faceplate
filter. You can get long, stranded, ethernet extension cables that are
practically not much bigger than a phone extension cable.

BTW, never extend the RJ11 cable to the ADSL modem/router, unless you
get special twisted pair types, or you will have the same bad set-up as
with the flat phone extension cable.
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