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Paul
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      07-19-2004, 04:36 PM
Hi..

I need some help because I can't seem to get this to work.

I just want to load balance one system that happens to
have 2 NIC's.

But i can't seem to get it to cluster correctly. I can
cluster one NIC, but I can't add the other NIC.. It just
keeps saying that the Cluster IP is already in use.

Does anyone have any simple instructions that would work?

What am I missing?

NIC1: 10.10.10.2/24
NIC2: 10.10.10.3/24

Cluster IP: 10.10.10.4/24
 
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Dusty Harper {MS}
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      07-19-2004, 07:27 PM
In windows, you cluster multiple machines, not multiple NICs on the same
machine. Windows does not support multi NIC load balancing
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"Paul" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:2fc2601c46dae$92fc6c90$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi..
>
> I need some help because I can't seem to get this to work.
>
> I just want to load balance one system that happens to
> have 2 NIC's.
>
> But i can't seem to get it to cluster correctly. I can
> cluster one NIC, but I can't add the other NIC.. It just
> keeps saying that the Cluster IP is already in use.
>
> Does anyone have any simple instructions that would work?
>
> What am I missing?
>
> NIC1: 10.10.10.2/24
> NIC2: 10.10.10.3/24
>
> Cluster IP: 10.10.10.4/24



 
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Paul
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      07-20-2004, 04:47 PM
Really, Then what is the point of having dual NIC's in a
windows box then? Other than to bridge a gap between
networks?

I am running Windows 2003 Web Edition.

Are the Dual NIC's useless in this case?




>-----Original Message-----
>In windows, you cluster multiple machines, not multiple

NICs on the same
>machine. Windows does not support multi NIC load

balancing
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>Microsoft Corporation
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>"Paul" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in

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>news:2fc2601c46dae$92fc6c90$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi..
>>
>> I need some help because I can't seem to get this to

work.
>>
>> I just want to load balance one system that happens to
>> have 2 NIC's.
>>
>> But i can't seem to get it to cluster correctly. I can
>> cluster one NIC, but I can't add the other NIC.. It just
>> keeps saying that the Cluster IP is already in use.
>>
>> Does anyone have any simple instructions that would

work?
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>> NIC1: 10.10.10.2/24
>> NIC2: 10.10.10.3/24
>>
>> Cluster IP: 10.10.10.4/24

>
>
>.
>

 
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Phillip Windell
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      07-20-2004, 05:38 PM
"Paul" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Really, Then what is the point of having dual NIC's in a
> windows box then?


In terms of "load balancing" there is no point. It isn't a "Windows thing"
it is a "TCP/IP thing". TCP/IP by nature won't uses two NICs with different
IP# for the same thing at the same time. It requires special software that
runs "above" TCP/IP to cause both NICs to appear to be one NIC with a
*single* IP# (a Virtual IP#) to combine the bandwidth of the NICs together.

There are special NICs designed for this purpose that comes with proprietary
software designed to work with such NICs to do this. I believe also Cisco
Routers can do this with a combination of the OS and Routing Protocols which
of course also run "above" TCP/IP.

> Other than to bridge a gap between networks?


If you mean Layer3 Routing (bridging is different) then yes,...that is the
primary purpose of using two NICs, however this fails if the NICs use IP#s
from the same subnet,...the subnets must be different.

The other purpose of having two NIC in a Windows box is to create a "NAT
Firewall" using RRAS.

Bridging is a different thing and only works when the subnet of each NIC is
the same subnet (just the opposite of Layer3 routing). This is rarely
needed and is only an option in XP and Server 2003 (and newer. The reason
it is rarely needed and not a part of older Windows OS's is because this is
already done extemely easy with a simple Switch. LAN Switches are nothing
more than Multi-Port Bridges, so bridging is what they "do". The older
"seldom-seen-anymore" hardware Bridges were nothing more than a Switch with
only two ports (in & out).


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      07-21-2004, 10:34 PM
Dual NICs are used to attach the machine to multiple networks. Not to both
be on the same network.
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"Paul" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:0af801c46e79$44e0ae10$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Really, Then what is the point of having dual NIC's in a
> windows box then? Other than to bridge a gap between
> networks?
>
> I am running Windows 2003 Web Edition.
>
> Are the Dual NIC's useless in this case?
>
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >In windows, you cluster multiple machines, not multiple

> NICs on the same
> >machine. Windows does not support multi NIC load

> balancing
> >--
> >--
> >Dusty Harper
> >Microsoft Corporation
> >----------------------------------------------------------

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> >This posting is provided "AS IS", with NO warranties and

> confers NO rights
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> >"Paul" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in

> message
> >news:2fc2601c46dae$92fc6c90$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> Hi..
> >>
> >> I need some help because I can't seem to get this to

> work.
> >>
> >> I just want to load balance one system that happens to
> >> have 2 NIC's.
> >>
> >> But i can't seem to get it to cluster correctly. I can
> >> cluster one NIC, but I can't add the other NIC.. It just
> >> keeps saying that the Cluster IP is already in use.
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any simple instructions that would

> work?
> >>
> >> What am I missing?
> >>
> >> NIC1: 10.10.10.2/24
> >> NIC2: 10.10.10.3/24
> >>
> >> Cluster IP: 10.10.10.4/24

> >
> >
> >.
> >



 
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