'Silent' updates for IE browser

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16214912

Possibly something to be on the guard against. Perhaps you don't
actually like the newer versions - I don't like the loss of the
conventional GUI with a menu and a status bar in the usual places,
which is why I'm still using FF3 - or perhaps you're a web developer
who wants to keep old versions going for testing:

"From January, Internet Explorer (IE) users will be automatically
updated to the latest version of the browser."

....

"Those who did not want their browser updated could opt out or
uninstall the software", said Microsoft.
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:29:12 +0000, Java Jive wrote:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16214912
>
> Possibly something to be on the guard against. Perhaps you don't
> actually like the newer versions - I don't like the loss of the
> conventional GUI with a menu and a status bar in the usual places,
> which is why I'm still using FF3 - or perhaps you're a web developer
> who wants to keep old versions going for testing:
>
> "From January, Internet Explorer (IE) users will be automatically
> updated to the latest version of the browser."
>
> ...
>
> "Those who did not want their browser updated could opt out or
> uninstall the software", said Microsoft.

Uninstalling IE - now there's a thought. I did try IE7 and it broke things
so I removed it; IE8 seems to be OK.
Windows Update Service is off, XP won't take IE9 and Comodo Firewall is set
to block IE from getting out.

This reminds me, I've a box on a shelf that has XP Pro SP3 nLited to remove
OE, WMP and IE. I really must get it set up and see what doesn't work.
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whilst religions hold sway

On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:29:12 +0000, Java Jive wrote:

> "From January, Internet Explorer (IE) users will be automatically
> updated to the latest version of the browser."

Does this mean IE6 users will be upgraded?

If so it will be a nightmare for many corporations as they often have
legacy software that is only compatible with IE6.

On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:38:34 -0600, Deux <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:29:12 +0000, Java Jive wrote:
>
>> "From January, Internet Explorer (IE) users will be automatically
>> updated to the latest version of the browser."
>
>Does this mean IE6 users will be upgraded?
>
>If so it will be a nightmare for many corporations as they often have
>legacy software that is only compatible with IE6.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16214912

Demise of IE6

The giant upgrade programme will affect IE users running Windows XP,
Vista and 7, and will first be rolled out in Australia and Brazil.
Only those Windows users with automatic updates turned on will be
enrolled in the programme.

Those using Windows XP will be upgraded to IE8, while those on Vista
and 7 get bumped up to IE9. This will probably mean the demise of IE6,
a 10-year-old version of the browser that Microsoft has been trying to
kill off for a while.

Figures gathered by Microsoft suggest IE6 is used by about 8.3% of
people around the world, with the biggest number of users in China,
where almost 28% of people remain wedded to it.

Globally, Internet Explorer is still the most popular browser, with
more than 52% of people using it, according to net market research
firm Net Applications. Mozilla's Firefox and Google's Chrome are
battling it out for second place.

And

Microsoft said it had made tools that would let people avoid or
uninstall the more up-to-date versions of the browsers if they wanted
to stay with an older copy.

[I assume they mean an older version.]

On 17/12/2011 10:22, Scott wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:38:34 -0600, Deux<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:29:12 +0000, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>>> "From January, Internet Explorer (IE) users will be automatically
>>> updated to the latest version of the browser."
>>
>> Does this mean IE6 users will be upgraded?
>>
>> If so it will be a nightmare for many corporations as they often have
>> legacy software that is only compatible with IE6.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16214912
>
> Demise of IE6
>
> The giant upgrade programme will affect IE users running Windows XP,
> Vista and 7, and will first be rolled out in Australia and Brazil.
> Only those Windows users with automatic updates turned on will be
> enrolled in the programme.
>
> Those using Windows XP will be upgraded to IE8, while those on Vista
> and 7 get bumped up to IE9. This will probably mean the demise of IE6,
> a 10-year-old version of the browser that Microsoft has been trying to
> kill off for a while.
>
> Figures gathered by Microsoft suggest IE6 is used by about 8.3% of
> people around the world, with the biggest number of users in China,
> where almost 28% of people remain wedded to it.
>
> Globally, Internet Explorer is still the most popular browser, with
> more than 52% of people using it, according to net market research
> firm Net Applications. Mozilla's Firefox and Google's Chrome are
> battling it out for second place.
>
> And
>
> Microsoft said it had made tools that would let people avoid or
> uninstall the more up-to-date versions of the browsers if they wanted
> to stay with an older copy.
>
> [I assume they mean an older version.]

It all seems eminently sensible to me.
If individuals and corporations can't/won't keep up with the latest -
and safest - versions and updates for programs, that begs a question -
why not?

On 17/12/2011 09:38, Deux wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:29:12 +0000, Java Jive wrote:
>
>> "From January, Internet Explorer (IE) users will be automatically
>> updated to the latest version of the browser."
>
> Does this mean IE6 users will be upgraded?
>
> If so it will be a nightmare for many corporations as they often have
> legacy software that is only compatible with IE6.

Its not just my company then. We got caught out by IE7 and had to deploy
IE7BlockerToolkit.exe to the estate.

--

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"George Weston" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On 17/12/2011 10:22, Scott wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:38:34 -0600, Deux<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:29:12 +0000, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>>> "From January, Internet Explorer (IE) users will be automatically
>>>> updated to the latest version of the browser."
>>>
>>> Does this mean IE6 users will be upgraded?
>>>
>>> If so it will be a nightmare for many corporations as they often have
>>> legacy software that is only compatible with IE6.
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16214912
>>
>> Demise of IE6
>>
>> The giant upgrade programme will affect IE users running Windows XP,
>> Vista and 7, and will first be rolled out in Australia and Brazil.
>> Only those Windows users with automatic updates turned on will be
>> enrolled in the programme.
>>
>> Those using Windows XP will be upgraded to IE8, while those on Vista
>> and 7 get bumped up to IE9. This will probably mean the demise of IE6,
>> a 10-year-old version of the browser that Microsoft has been trying to
>> kill off for a while.
>>
>> Figures gathered by Microsoft suggest IE6 is used by about 8.3% of
>> people around the world, with the biggest number of users in China,
>> where almost 28% of people remain wedded to it.
>>
>> Globally, Internet Explorer is still the most popular browser, with
>> more than 52% of people using it, according to net market research
>> firm Net Applications. Mozilla's Firefox and Google's Chrome are
>> battling it out for second place.
>>
>> And
>>
>> Microsoft said it had made tools that would let people avoid or
>> uninstall the more up-to-date versions of the browsers if they wanted
>> to stay with an older copy.
>>
>> [I assume they mean an older version.]
>
> It all seems eminently sensible to me.
> If individuals and corporations can't/won't keep up with the latest - and
> safest - versions and updates for programs, that begs a question - why
> not?

Because they have to pay someone to do it

tim

On 17/12/2011 12:05, alexd wrote:
> Deux (for it is he) wrote:
>
>> Does this mean IE6 users will be upgraded?
>>
>> If so it will be a nightmare for many corporations as they often have
>> legacy software that is only compatible with IE6.
>
> People who have large numbers of Windows computers to manage tend to use
> Microsoft's tools for managing the deployment of updates, rather than
> entrusting the user to decide what updates get installed and when.

Exactly. If you're in business, updating computer systems - and security
- should be an absolute priority and an ongoing, business-as-usual,
budgeted requirement.
If you can't afford an IT department (or a tame techie) to do that,
you're not being fair to your employees, customers or getting the
optimum out of your systems.
>
> I pity anybody who is forced to use IE6, and hope that administrators of
> such systems are compassionate enough to install Firefox/Chrome/whatever
> alongside for normal browsing use.

I wouldn't trust any organisation who still uses IE6.

tim.... wrote:
> "George Weston" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On 17/12/2011 10:22, Scott wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:38:34 -0600, Deux<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:29:12 +0000, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "From January, Internet Explorer (IE) users will be automatically
>>>>> updated to the latest version of the browser."
>>>> Does this mean IE6 users will be upgraded?
>>>>
>>>> If so it will be a nightmare for many corporations as they often have
>>>> legacy software that is only compatible with IE6.
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16214912
>>>
>>> Demise of IE6
>>>
>>> The giant upgrade programme will affect IE users running Windows XP,
>>> Vista and 7, and will first be rolled out in Australia and Brazil.
>>> Only those Windows users with automatic updates turned on will be
>>> enrolled in the programme.
>>>
>>> Those using Windows XP will be upgraded to IE8, while those on Vista
>>> and 7 get bumped up to IE9. This will probably mean the demise of IE6,
>>> a 10-year-old version of the browser that Microsoft has been trying to
>>> kill off for a while.
>>>
>>> Figures gathered by Microsoft suggest IE6 is used by about 8.3% of
>>> people around the world, with the biggest number of users in China,
>>> where almost 28% of people remain wedded to it.
>>>
>>> Globally, Internet Explorer is still the most popular browser, with
>>> more than 52% of people using it, according to net market research
>>> firm Net Applications. Mozilla's Firefox and Google's Chrome are
>>> battling it out for second place.
>>>
>>> And
>>>
>>> Microsoft said it had made tools that would let people avoid or
>>> uninstall the more up-to-date versions of the browsers if they wanted
>>> to stay with an older copy.
>>>
>>> [I assume they mean an older version.]
>> It all seems eminently sensible to me.
>> If individuals and corporations can't/won't keep up with the latest - and
>> safest - versions and updates for programs, that begs a question - why
>> not?
>
> Because they have to pay someone to do it
>

And more to the point a lot of in-house web apps were built to actually
use the brokenness of IE6 (=kludged till they worked with it) and may
break when exposed to a better browser.

And then there's the whole safety security policy which is measured in
corporate land by how much you paid a team of shysters to put ticks in
the boxes the IT manager dreamed up..

All has to be done again..


> tim
>
>

George Weston wrote:
> On 17/12/2011 12:05, alexd wrote:
>> Deux (for it is he) wrote:
>>
>>> Does this mean IE6 users will be upgraded?
>>>
>>> If so it will be a nightmare for many corporations as they often have
>>> legacy software that is only compatible with IE6.
>>
>> People who have large numbers of Windows computers to manage tend to use
>> Microsoft's tools for managing the deployment of updates, rather than
>> entrusting the user to decide what updates get installed and when.
>
> Exactly. If you're in business, updating computer systems - and security
> - should be an absolute priority and an ongoing, business-as-usual,
> budgeted requirement.

I cant agree.

I've seen 21 year old IBM mainframes covered in glue and shit, cranking
out the one COBOL suite of programs they were designed to do without an
upgrade in the past 15..apart from a bit of hand crafted RPG.

THAT is value for money IT.

IF a corporate network is stable and secured from the internet there is
no reason to upgrade it ever until such time as it is deficient in some
way with respect to what you want it to do.



> If you can't afford an IT department (or a tame techie) to do that,
> you're not being fair to your employees, customers or getting the
> optimum out of your systems.

On the contrary, you are giving your customers a huge bonus in cost
savings. IF teh IT is stable and just 'works'..

Viz the old SCO Unix systems - cost per desktop - 75 quid for a wyse
terminal. Central IT costs, about 75 a desktop.

Put in windows, 3000 a fesk capital and about 1-3000 a year support costs.

Value? Never.

And you want to increase that with upgrades???

>>
>> I pity anybody who is forced to use IE6, and hope that administrators of
>> such systems are compassionate enough to install Firefox/Chrome/whatever
>> alongside for normal browsing use.
>
> I wouldn't trust any organisation who still uses IE6.

I would. To give me competitive prices like the places that still use
glass terminals on micro mini and mainframes.

Or even well maintained card indexes (indices?)

MOST businesses don't have a huge need for massive IT at all. They
certainly don't need windows either. They need to send and receive basic
business messages by email or send them as printed letters and invoices,
and they need to do their accounts and monitor and account for whatever
industrial processes they are doing.

They may these days need a GUI I supposed and a browser on that is the
client of choice to hit their internal systems with.

The only reason they will have Word and Excel is because everyone else
has it and they need to read the stuff that comes that way.

And they aren't bold enough to say 'plain text or PDF, and don't send me
spreadsheets randomly'