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Bernd Kreuzinger
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      08-11-2005, 02:20 PM
Hello,

do somebody know this:

Server 2003 DCs (SP1) are not visible in network neighborhood!
but "net view" list them!
All other computers like workstations and member-server are visible!!!

Thank you
Bernd


 
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Phillip Windell
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      08-11-2005, 02:24 PM
That is because Net View shows what is really there and Network Places only
shows what is listed in the browse list.

188305 - Troubleshooting the Microsoft Computer Browser Service
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;188305


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"Bernd Kreuzinger" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:u$iHO$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hello,
>
> do somebody know this:
>
> Server 2003 DCs (SP1) are not visible in network neighborhood!
> but "net view" list them!
> All other computers like workstations and member-server are visible!!!
>
> Thank you
> Bernd
>
>



 
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Michael Giorgio - MS MVP
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      08-11-2005, 04:31 PM
Interesting comment Phillip. What you are saying is
"net view" doesn't use the browse list? If that's the
case then Net View is pulling the list from the SAM
or AD? Please elaborate..

"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message news:
> That is because Net View shows what is really there and Network Places
> only
> shows what is listed in the browse list.
>
> 188305 - Troubleshooting the Microsoft Computer Browser Service
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;188305
>



 
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Phillip Windell
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      08-12-2005, 02:26 PM
"Michael Giorgio - MS MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Interesting comment Phillip. What you are saying is
> "net view" doesn't use the browse list?


That is correct.

> case then Net View is pulling the list from the SAM
> or AD? Please elaborate..


Neither. I believe Net View uses Netbios. Regular Network Browsing is
also Netbios dependent,...but it uses it to build the browse list through
the work of the Master Browsers, from which point the browse list is used to
"list" the machinenames (not netbios itself).

So, netbios plays a roles in both, but not the same role.

1. "Network Places" reads a Browse List to "view" the names and the Browse
List is built by the Master Browsers which use Netbios to build the Lists.

2. Net View lists the machines directly by Netbios and doesn't use the
Browse List. So if the "Master Browser" system fails, Network Places
fails,...but Netview still works.

That is my understanding of it anyway,...if I'm incorrect maybe someone can
clear it up.

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Michael Giorgio - MS MVP
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      08-12-2005, 03:09 PM
Everything I've learned tells me that "Net View" does use
the browse list and as far as I know there is only one
service which uses NetBIOS to build the browse list
and that's the computer browser serrvice. References
below:
<snip>
"You can use the net view command to perform most of the browsing functions
available in My Network Places or My Computer. "
<snip>
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;310381


The following pretty much verifies that net view does in fact query
the SMB (segment master browser) to obtain the browse list:

<snip>
"Step 5: Check the Master Browse Server
Verify that the master browse server is functioning correctly by typing the
following command at an MS-DOS prompt
net view /workgroup:<wkgrp_name>
where <wkgrp_name> is the name of your workgroup. If your workgroup name
contains spaces, enclose the workgroup name in quotation marks. For example,
if your workgroup name is My Workgroup, type the following line:
net view /workgroup:"My Workgroup"
This command retrieves a browse list from the master browse server. If you
cannot retrieve a browse list from the master browse server, one of the
following problems may exist on the network: . A backup browse server is not
functioning correctly.
. A backup browse server does not have an updated browse list.
Retrieving an updated browse list can take up to 15 minutes.
NOTE: If a computer is removed from the network before the computer is
logged off the network, it may take up to 51 minutes for that computer to be
removed from the browse list. "
<snip>

http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;134304


"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message news:
> "Michael Giorgio - MS MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:
>> Interesting comment Phillip. What you are saying is
>> "net view" doesn't use the browse list?

>
> That is correct.
>
>> case then Net View is pulling the list from the SAM
>> or AD? Please elaborate..

>
> Neither. I believe Net View uses Netbios. Regular Network Browsing is
> also Netbios dependent,...but it uses it to build the browse list through
> the work of the Master Browsers, from which point the browse list is used
> to
> "list" the machinenames (not netbios itself).
>
> So, netbios plays a roles in both, but not the same role.
>
> 1. "Network Places" reads a Browse List to "view" the names and the Browse
> List is built by the Master Browsers which use Netbios to build the Lists.
>
> 2. Net View lists the machines directly by Netbios and doesn't use the
> Browse List. So if the "Master Browser" system fails, Network Places
> fails,...but Netview still works.
>
> That is my understanding of it anyway,...if I'm incorrect maybe someone
> can
> clear it up.



 
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Phillip Windell
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      08-12-2005, 03:22 PM
Ok,..good enough.

Thanks,

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Understanding the ISA 2004 Access Rule Processing
http://www.isaserver.org/articles/IS...cessRules.html

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Guidance
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2004.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2000.asp

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Partners
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"Michael Giorgio - MS MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Everything I've learned tells me that "Net View" does use
> the browse list and as far as I know there is only one
> service which uses NetBIOS to build the browse list
> and that's the computer browser serrvice. References
> below:
> <snip>
> "You can use the net view command to perform most of the browsing

functions
> available in My Network Places or My Computer. "
> <snip>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;310381
>
>
> The following pretty much verifies that net view does in fact query
> the SMB (segment master browser) to obtain the browse list:
>
> <snip>
> "Step 5: Check the Master Browse Server
> Verify that the master browse server is functioning correctly by typing

the
> following command at an MS-DOS prompt
> net view /workgroup:<wkgrp_name>
> where <wkgrp_name> is the name of your workgroup. If your workgroup name
> contains spaces, enclose the workgroup name in quotation marks. For

example,
> if your workgroup name is My Workgroup, type the following line:
> net view /workgroup:"My Workgroup"
> This command retrieves a browse list from the master browse server. If you
> cannot retrieve a browse list from the master browse server, one of the
> following problems may exist on the network: . A backup browse server is

not
> functioning correctly.
> . A backup browse server does not have an updated browse list.
> Retrieving an updated browse list can take up to 15 minutes.
> NOTE: If a computer is removed from the network before the computer is
> logged off the network, it may take up to 51 minutes for that computer to

be
> removed from the browse list. "
> <snip>
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;134304
>
>
> "Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message news:
> > "Michael Giorgio - MS MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote

in
> > message news:
> >> Interesting comment Phillip. What you are saying is
> >> "net view" doesn't use the browse list?

> >
> > That is correct.
> >
> >> case then Net View is pulling the list from the SAM
> >> or AD? Please elaborate..

> >
> > Neither. I believe Net View uses Netbios. Regular Network Browsing is
> > also Netbios dependent,...but it uses it to build the browse list

through
> > the work of the Master Browsers, from which point the browse list is

used
> > to
> > "list" the machinenames (not netbios itself).
> >
> > So, netbios plays a roles in both, but not the same role.
> >
> > 1. "Network Places" reads a Browse List to "view" the names and the

Browse
> > List is built by the Master Browsers which use Netbios to build the

Lists.
> >
> > 2. Net View lists the machines directly by Netbios and doesn't use the
> > Browse List. So if the "Master Browser" system fails, Network Places
> > fails,...but Netview still works.
> >
> > That is my understanding of it anyway,...if I'm incorrect maybe someone
> > can
> > clear it up.

>
>



 
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Michael Giorgio - MS MVP
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      08-12-2005, 06:02 PM
No problem. ;-) I was wondering if Net View worked
like Server Manager / "show domain members only"
enabled, where the list is being pulled from the SAM
database.

"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message news:
> Ok,..good enough.




 
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Michael Giorgio - MS MVP
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      08-12-2005, 06:04 PM
Which machine are you using "net view" on?
Open a dos prompt on one of your DCs and
run ipconfig /all ; what's the node type?

Also, if you open My Network Places on the
DCs themselves do they show up in their own
list?

"Bernd Kreuzinger" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:
> Hello,
>
> do somebody know this:
>
> Server 2003 DCs (SP1) are not visible in network neighborhood!
> but "net view" list them!
> All other computers like workstations and member-server are visible!!!



 
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Phillip Windell
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      08-15-2005, 06:52 PM
I thought there was some commandline tool that would see the hosts on the
LAN without depending on browse lists and that it was often used to
troubleshoot "network browsing" issues. I thought NetView was it,...but
maybe it was something else. It has been so long since I had to
troubleshoot anykind browsing issue myself that is is all a distant "fog" in
my mind :-)


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Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Guidance
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2004.asp
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"Michael Giorgio - MS MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> No problem. ;-) I was wondering if Net View worked
> like Server Manager / "show domain members only"
> enabled, where the list is being pulled from the SAM
> database.
>
> "Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message news:
> > Ok,..good enough.

>
>
>



 
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