Sending email through a third party server

BT prevents users from sending email through a third party server. So, if
you want to send email from (E-Mail Removed) and not (E-Mail Removed)
you wouldn't be able to do so. The stated reason is because of security.
However, it's not surprising that security issues evaporate if you pay BT
more.

Is there a source of information for providers that block or allow such
email?

Regards.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:51:20 +0100, "Bill Ridgeway"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>BT prevents users from sending email through a third party server. So, if
>you want to send email from (E-Mail Removed) and not (E-Mail Removed)
>you wouldn't be able to do so. The stated reason is because of security.
>However, it's not surprising that security issues evaporate if you pay BT
>more.
>
>Is there a source of information for providers that block or allow such
>email?
>
>Regards.
>
>Bill Ridgeway
>Computer Solutions
>
sign up for a pobox account (£7 a year).

they have their own mail relay server you can use. www.pobox.com

1&1 do the same thing apparently.

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:51:20 +0100, "Bill Ridgeway"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

|BT prevents users from sending email through a third party server. So, if
|you want to send email from (E-Mail Removed) and not (E-Mail Removed)
|you wouldn't be able to do so. The stated reason is because of security.
|However, it's not surprising that security issues evaporate if you pay BT
|more.
|
|Is there a source of information for providers that block or allow such
|email?

If you own the domain "mycompany.co.uk", there is no problem.
I never my btconnect email address posting via BT.
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In article <ehntn1$5p3$(E-Mail Removed)>,
Bill Ridgeway <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>BT prevents users from sending email through a third party server. So, if
>you want to send email from (E-Mail Removed) and not (E-Mail Removed)
>you wouldn't be able to do so. The stated reason is because of security.
>However, it's not surprising that security issues evaporate if you pay BT
>more.

What you describe are 2 different things. Thirt party servers and using
a different email domain name. They are 2 separate and unconnected things.

BT should not stop you using 3rd party email servers - it might be that
you have email provided by another internet comany and you are just
using BT for connectivity. In which case you'll very probably have some
sort of authentication system with the 3rd party server - SMTP AUTH,
or pop-before-smtp, etc.

BT may well stop you using a differnet email domain from btconnect.com
if you use their servers. Thats their right, they are their servers. Check
your T&C's.

The usual reason for this is to stop spam.

Now if BT were to block outgoing port-25 (smtp) connections and hijack
them into their own servers, then thats IMO naughty. They will claim
this is to prevent SPAM (and it can!) but at the same time by doing
so they are interfering with your connections and unless it's written
out in their T&C's then it's very underhand. They probably want you to
"upgrade" to a "business" type package...

However it doesn't stop them making up whatever stories they like, and
if you don't like it, then tell them and vote with your feet! You have
a choice of over 100 different ADSL ISPs to choose from - why pick BT?

Gordon

"Bill Ridgeway" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:ehntn1$5p3$(E-Mail Removed)...
> BT prevents users from sending email through a third party server. So, if
> you want to send email from (E-Mail Removed) and not
> (E-Mail Removed) you wouldn't be able to do so. The stated reason is
> because of security. However, it's not surprising that security issues
> evaporate if you pay BT more.
>
> Is there a source of information for providers that block or allow such
> email?
>
> Regards.
>
> Bill Ridgeway
> Computer Solutions
>
>


It doesn't matter what smpt server you use, as long as you are entitled to
use it. The email will appear to come from the address that you have in your
email client. For example - I connect to the internet through Eclipse. I
have NO email accounts with eclipse - yet I can send email from any one of
my accounts through the Eclipse smtp server.

Bill Ridgeway wrote:

>BT prevents users from sending email through a third party server. So, if
>you want to send email from (E-Mail Removed) and not (E-Mail Removed)
>you wouldn't be able to do so. The stated reason is because of security.
>However, it's not surprising that security issues evaporate if you pay BT
>more.
>
>Is there a source of information for providers that block or allow such
>email?

clara.net have a Claranet Mail and News account that specifically
allows relaying, at £10 pa.

I connect through PlusNet, but my mail is sent via Clara servers.

Gordon wrote <<You have a choice of over 100 different ADSL ISPs to choose
from - why pick BT?>>

I didn't but my client, unwittingly, did. There are several criteria by
which a potential ISP may be judges. It's not just cost and speed.
Unfortunately accessing a third party server isn't a piece of information
which is easily available. A list of those that do and don't would be very
useful additional information. I could then, perhaps, steer him towards a
more useful ISP.

Regards.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions

"Gordon Henderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:eho34j$fi$(E-Mail Removed)...
> In article <ehntn1$5p3$(E-Mail Removed)>,
> Bill Ridgeway <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>BT prevents users from sending email through a third party server. So, if
>>you want to send email from (E-Mail Removed) and not
>>(E-Mail Removed)
>>you wouldn't be able to do so. The stated reason is because of security.
>>However, it's not surprising that security issues evaporate if you pay BT
>>more.
>
> What you describe are 2 different things. Thirt party servers and using
> a different email domain name. They are 2 separate and unconnected things.
>
> BT should not stop you using 3rd party email servers - it might be that
> you have email provided by another internet comany and you are just
> using BT for connectivity. In which case you'll very probably have some
> sort of authentication system with the 3rd party server - SMTP AUTH,
> or pop-before-smtp, etc.
>
> BT may well stop you using a differnet email domain from btconnect.com
> if you use their servers. Thats their right, they are their servers. Check
> your T&C's.
>
> The usual reason for this is to stop spam.
>
> Now if BT were to block outgoing port-25 (smtp) connections and hijack
> them into their own servers, then thats IMO naughty. They will claim
> this is to prevent SPAM (and it can!) but at the same time by doing
> so they are interfering with your connections and unless it's written
> out in their T&C's then it's very underhand. They probably want you to
> "upgrade" to a "business" type package...
>
> However it doesn't stop them making up whatever stories they like, and
> if you don't like it, then tell them and vote with your feet! You have
> a choice of over 100 different ADSL ISPs to choose from - why pick BT?
>
> Gordon

Bill Ridgeway wrote:

> BT prevents users from sending email through a third party server.

No they do not. They do not block outgoing emails to any third party
servers.

> you want to send email from (E-Mail Removed) and not (E-Mail Removed)
> you wouldn't be able to do so.

Yes you can. You need authorisation to do so, they do not relay for
unknown 3rd party domains by default.

> The stated reason is because of security.

Yes, they will not relay mail through their SMTP server for domains
they don't host or their customers don't own. That's security.

> However, it's not surprising that security issues evaporate if you pay BT
> more.

Not true. If you are their customer, call 08456007020 and ask the
technical helpdesk to have your domain added to their system for "mail
relay". This costs nothing apart from the telephone call, and if you
are worried about the cost of that do a search to find out how to get
through to the helpdesk for free.

> Is there a source of information for providers that block or allow such
> email?

If you want to send email via 3rd party email servers you can do that
without needing to contact the helpdesk at all. If you want to use BTs
outgoing mail server for relaying, call the helpdesk be prepared to be
able to prove you own the domain - normally if the whois info - company
name, registrant or address matches the details they have for the BB
holder the domain can be added straight away. If the details don't
match you will be asked to fax a copy of your domain
invoice/registration certificate or you may have to change the whois
info to match. Large business ISPs need to take as many steps as
possible to cut down on spam passing through their systems - not
relaying for any old address is one measure which BT business broadband
have taken to secure their outgoing SMTP servers.

Kind Regards

William MacLeod

"Gordon Henderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
snip
>
> BT may well stop you using a differnet email domain from btconnect.com
> if you use their servers. Thats their right, they are their servers. Check
> your T&C's.

You mean those servers that you are paying BT good money to use?

>
> The usual reason for this is to stop spam.
>
> Now if BT were to block outgoing port-25 (smtp) connections and hijack
> them into their own servers, then thats IMO naughty. They will claim
> this is to prevent SPAM (and it can!) but at the same time by doing
> so they are interfering with your connections and unless it's written
> out in their T&C's then it's very underhand. They probably want you to
> "upgrade" to a "business" type package...

Fixed IP addresses, unlimited use, you name it BT has "black" technology to
make you pay for what you thought you had paid for anyway*.

>
> However it doesn't stop them making up whatever stories they like, and
> if you don't like it, then tell them and vote with your feet! You have
> a choice of over 100 different ADSL ISPs to choose from - why pick BT?
>
> Gordon

* E.g. Integrated Services Digital Network, only through Loose
Interpretation of English and Standards, BT's version wasn't integrated and
you had to pay for all the services separately. For a long time you used to
have to pay to install an ISDN line from scratch, even though you already
had a PSTN one.

R. Mark Clayton wrote:

> You mean those servers that you are paying BT good money to use?

The OP is wrong, he does not have to pay a penny extra, he simply needs
to complete a very simple procedure which was introduced to help reduce
spam.....

Regards

William MacLeod