Sending Email Not via ISP Servers

I'm with PlusNet - no sniggers, please!

Currently I use three external news-servers (NIN, Datemas, and
ClaraNews), and I have set my system to use external DNS servers.
Email is retrieved from my account at BTinternet PAYG in the normal
way. But I have to send through PN's servers as relaying is forbidden.

Is there a legal way of not using PN's SMTP server?

I'd rather avoid webmail if at all possible.

TIA

Burton Bradstock wrote in
(E-Mail Removed):

> I'm with PlusNet - no sniggers, please!
>
> Currently I use three external news-servers (NIN, Datemas, and
> ClaraNews), and I have set my system to use external DNS servers.
> Email is retrieved from my account at BTinternet PAYG in the normal
> way. But I have to send through PN's servers as relaying is forbidden.
>
> Is there a legal way of not using PN's SMTP server?
>
> I'd rather avoid webmail if at all possible.

Some ISPs (but not Wanadoo, as I know from bitter experience) allow you to
send via their SMTP server even if you are not connected to the internet via
them, providing that you supply a username and password (usually the same
ones as for POP). I'm not sure whether BTInternet's SMTP servers allow you
to do this.

For Outlook Express, this involves:

Tools | Accounts | Mail | (highlight mail account) | Properties | Servers
screen

Outgoing Mail | tick "My server requires me to authenticate" | Settings:

either selected "Same as for incoming" or else supply username/password
explicitly.

In message <(E-Mail Removed)>, Burton
Bradstock <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>
>
>I'm with PlusNet - no sniggers, please!
>
>Currently I use three external news-servers (NIN, Datemas, and
>ClaraNews)

If am subscribed to Claranews via their Clarahost account. I am there
able to send email from any connection by via the Clara SMTP outgoing
mail servers. Is this available to you?

--
dave @ stejonda

On 29 Sep 2006, "dave @ stejonda" wrote:

>able to send email from any connection by via the Clara SMTP outgoing
>mail servers. Is this available to you?

He could always try it, couldn't he, using relay.clara.net (port 25 or
2525) with his regular claranews login details... Just checked FAQ:

> extract: Do I get an email address with my news account?
>
> "The incoming email server is pop.clara.net, the outgoing one is relay.clara.net."

On 29 Sep 2006, Burton Bradstock <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>But I have to send through PN's servers as relaying is forbidden.

>Is there a legal way of not using PN's SMTP server?

Yes, but probably only by paying to do so. If you look at the service at
http://www.fastmail.net/ you should see there's a low-cost 'member' a/c
with a once-only fee of under a tenner at current exchange rates, and it
offers outgoing mail via their own servers using *any* port. Claranet's
mail + news (the 9.99/year) account also allows use of their SMTP relay
but I guess you're on one of the more costly binary news feed accounts
else you'd already know. Clara's mail allows use of port 25 and 2525 (to
allow people to dodge the mail 'capture' services run by Freeserve/AOL
and others on port 25). Of course, you'd need the mail + news account
(see http://www.clara.net/btbroadband/ ) (with an annual cost, but not
limited to 80 MB of transfer quota per month like Fastmail - however, I
don't know if they have any limits - certainly not seen any mention!)

[ For anyone unfamiliar, it is common to block sending via some random
SMTP server because spammers would find nirvana if that was possible.
Most ISPs lock down the server to allow those connected via their own
network {whom they can block if found to be spammers} and in some
cases, a service will allow "external" users so long as they provide a
means of authentication. In some cases that needed a trigger such
as using the POP mail server (ie receive, using mail login details, then
that IP address is allowed to send, for some time window) or by using
username/password on the SMTP server (running modified software,
as username/password are not generally required). ]

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"Burton Bradstock" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news(E-Mail Removed)...
:
:
: I'm with PlusNet - no sniggers, please!
:
: Currently I use three external news-servers (NIN, Datemas, and
: ClaraNews), and I have set my system to use external DNS servers.
: Email is retrieved from my account at BTinternet PAYG in the normal
: way. But I have to send through PN's servers as relaying is forbidden.
:
: Is there a legal way of not using PN's SMTP server?
:
: I'd rather avoid webmail if at all possible.
:
: TIA

Could always use your own smtp server google free smtp software or
http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/B...smtp-free.html

Chris


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Burton Bradstock wrote:

>Currently I use three external news-servers (NIN, Datemas, and
>ClaraNews), and I have set my system to use external DNS servers.
>Email is retrieved from my account at BTinternet PAYG in the normal
>way. But I have to send through PN's servers as relaying is forbidden.
>
>Is there a legal way of not using PN's SMTP server?
>
>I'd rather avoid webmail if at all possible.

Many thanks to all who replied, it was greatly appreciated.

I had in fact forgotten that Claranews is actually Claranews and Mail,
and the url clearly says that relaying is allowed.

However, I've tried all combinations of authentification on my email
client, and all return the same error message (505 Relay Not Allowed)

Interestingly, even when I am dialled in to BT PAYG, authentification
doesn't work then either....so I suspect a problem with my mail
client; an old version (3.something Pegasus mail). Webmail remains
effective.

Thanks once again; perhaps it's time to upgrade Pegasus.....

In message <(E-Mail Removed)>, "dave @ stejonda"
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>If am subscribed to Claranews via their Clarahost account. I am there
>able to send email from any connection by via the

wow! - did I really type that? ...checks... yup I did, hmmm I must be
more tired than I thought.

Glad people made sense of it though.

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dave @ stejonda

In message <451d206c$0$8744$(E-Mail Removed)>, Joker7
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes

>Could always use your own smtp server google free smtp software or
>http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/B...smtp-free.html

Unfortunately some SMTP servers reject or blackhole email sent using
your own SMTP server.
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Fax: +44 870 915 2124

Burton Bradstock wrote:

>I had in fact forgotten that Claranews is actually Claranews and Mail,
>and the url clearly says that relaying is allowed.
>
>However, I've tried all combinations of authentification on my email
>client, and all return the same error message (505 Relay Not Allowed)
>
>Interestingly, even when I am dialled in to BT PAYG, authentification
>doesn't work then either....so I suspect a problem with my mail
>client; an old version (3.something Pegasus mail). Webmail remains
>effective.
>
>Thanks once again; perhaps it's time to upgrade Pegasus.....

Just to close this, I used the email facility in my newsreader, Forte
Agent 1.93, and while logged in to PlusNet it relays through the Clara
servers with no problems.

Many thanks for all your input; it really turned out to be a case of
stitching together things I already had...but had mostly forgotten
about :-(