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Tom Del Rosso
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      08-04-2005, 02:55 AM
For those who prefer a single NIC and secondary firewall arrangement with
SBS, what do you do to secure Exchange's open port? If an outside MX passes
mail to you, then you can accept only their connection, but what if you
don't use one of those?


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      08-04-2005, 03:42 PM
"Tom Del Rosso" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> For those who prefer a single NIC and secondary firewall arrangement with
> SBS, what do you do to secure Exchange's open port?


You don't,..and it doesn't need protected,...it is already "protected" by
the "secondary firewall arrangement" you mentioned. The single-nic SBS is no
different than any other machine on the LAN and would be protected by the
firewall arrangement just like the rest of the machines are.

> If an outside MX passes mail to you, then you can accept only their

connection,
> but what if you don't use one of those?


Explain what you mean by that.


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      08-04-2005, 04:21 PM
"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
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> "Tom Del Rosso" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > For those who prefer a single NIC and secondary firewall arrangement

with
> > SBS, what do you do to secure Exchange's open port?

>
> You don't,..and it doesn't need protected,...it is already "protected" by
> the "secondary firewall arrangement" you mentioned. The single-nic SBS is

no
> different than any other machine on the LAN and would be protected by the
> firewall arrangement just like the rest of the machines are.


The firewall is forwarding port 25 to the Exchange server, so that port is
open to the internet. Of course I realize that computers all over the world
are open to the internet, but I mean to ask if Exchange is vulnerable that
way.


> > If an outside MX passes mail to you, then you can accept only their

> connection,
> > but what if you don't use one of those?

>
> Explain what you mean by that.


An email provider with a backup mail server (the same company that hosted
email before getting Exchange) points their MX record to the company office.
The office firewall only accepts port 25 traffic from the address of the
outside server.

AIUI this arrangement with an outside server is not always used, and instead
the company's internet domain can reside right in the office, so SMTP and
other ports are open to the whole internet. Is that considered insecure
with Exchange?

Now that I rephrased the question I think I can answer it myself. The
outside server is merely passing all port 25 traffic to this server, so if
there is an attack it will pass through the outside server and not be
blocked anyway, right?


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      08-04-2005, 09:05 PM
"Tom Del Rosso" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> The firewall is forwarding port 25 to the Exchange server, so that port is
> open to the internet. Of course I realize that computers all over the

world
> are open to the internet, but I mean to ask if Exchange is vulnerable that
> way.


I think you are "over applying" the concept of vulnerable and insecure. If
something is exposed to the interent,...then it is exposed to the internet.
If it is not exposed to the internet then it just flat doesn't work. Being
vurnerable or insecure isn't even in the conversation because it just simply
*has* to be exposed to the internet to work.

> An email provider with a backup mail server (the same company that hosted
> email before getting Exchange) points their MX record to the company

office.
> The office firewall only accepts port 25 traffic from the address of the
> outside server.


Ok,..yes that would be an SMTP Smart Host situation where your SMTP Server
depends on the ISP's SMTP server in order to recieve mail.

> AIUI this arrangement with an outside server is not always used, and

instead
> the company's internet domain can reside right in the office, so SMTP and
> other ports are open to the whole internet. Is that considered insecure
> with Exchange?


It is often refered to as the Direct DNS method where the mail server
resolve the destination email address via DNS then sends the message
directly to the detination server. It is also considered to be the primary
way and the best way people should do it. Yes, it is more exposed because
more than just the ISP's SMTP is contacting it,...but worrying about that
compares to those people with disorders that are so paranoid of other people
the they never leave their homes and go outside.

> Now that I rephrased the question I think I can answer it myself. The
> outside server is merely passing all port 25 traffic to this server, so if
> there is an attack it will pass through the outside server and not be
> blocked anyway, right?


No. The mail server stands on its own. Firewalls protect things by
*preventing* them from being available. As soon as a Firewall is setup to
Static-NAT or Reverse-NAT (the true terms for it) to some internal service,
that service ceases to be "protected". Firewalls do not have the "mystical
vodo" going on inside them that many seem to think. They protect when they
prevent things from being available and stop protecting when they make
something available. However they do have some advantage in that the better
ones might filter out certain SMTP Commands so the published service doesn't
see or process them,...but a with a properly configured mail server that
would not have mattered anyway. Firewalls do have the advantage of not
allowing anything else running on the published mail server to be
exposed,..where as they would be exposed if the mail server sat directly on
the internet.

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      08-04-2005, 11:10 PM
"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
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> It is often refered to as the Direct DNS method where the mail server
> resolve the destination email address via DNS then sends the message
> directly to the detination server. It is also considered to be the primary
> way and the best way people should do it. Yes, it is more exposed because
> more than just the ISP's SMTP is contacting it,...but worrying about that
> compares to those people with disorders that are so paranoid of other

people
> the they never leave their homes and go outside.


Thanks Phillip.


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