SDSL Pricing

On Tue, 31 May 2005 10:52:19 GMT, 7 wrote:

> Tim Clark wrote:
>
>> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
>> jas0n <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>>> In article <429b5af7$0$578$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-
>>> reader03.plus.net>, (E-Mail Removed) says...
>>>> jas0n wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > why is [SDSL] so pricey?
>>>
>>>> 2. The PTO would loose revenue if people had too much incentive to
>>>> switch from leased lines to SDSL
>>>
>>> Not a valid reason to keep prices artificially high, surely
>>> should be something not allowed with current watchdogs around,
>>> etc?
>>
>> The watchdogs were set up in order to promote the free market. There is
>> a free market with leased lines: a number of telcos can offer you
>> point-to-point leased lines which use no BT plant at all. While they're
>> mostly cheaper than BT leased lines, BT can offer SDSL at rates which
>> compete with them, but still vastly more expensive than ADSL. Cable
>> companies, which could offer SDSL over their own copper pairs if they
>> wanted, don't feel it worth competing. That's the free market for you: a
>> number of companies competing to maximise their own profit.
>
>
> We are into the LLU. Opportunities knock for those doing LLU.
> You can get 8mbit one way.
> Put in second line and some $10 boxes at the customer end,
> and you got 8mbit the other way.
> Its SDSL!

Ok. If a BT exchange serves 1000 customers will there be 2000 copper pairs?
No. So they can't all have 2 pairs each.


> At the exchange it all goes into routers that buffer
> and automatically contend if necessary. But it
> don't cost you any extra - a $50 router is still a $50 router!
> It can content 20 houses to a $20 100mbit switch.

If 200 people want this service who pays for the 200 extra lines to be
provided? It isn't covered by $50

Alan wrote:

> On Tue, 31 May 2005 10:52:19 GMT, 7 wrote:
>
>> Tim Clark wrote:
>>
>>> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
>>> jas0n <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>>>> In article <429b5af7$0$578$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-
>>>> reader03.plus.net>, (E-Mail Removed) says...
>>>>> jas0n wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > why is [SDSL] so pricey?
>>>>
>>>>> 2. The PTO would loose revenue if people had too much incentive to
>>>>> switch from leased lines to SDSL
>>>>
>>>> Not a valid reason to keep prices artificially high, surely
>>>> should be something not allowed with current watchdogs around,
>>>> etc?
>>>
>>> The watchdogs were set up in order to promote the free market. There is
>>> a free market with leased lines: a number of telcos can offer you
>>> point-to-point leased lines which use no BT plant at all. While they're
>>> mostly cheaper than BT leased lines, BT can offer SDSL at rates which
>>> compete with them, but still vastly more expensive than ADSL. Cable
>>> companies, which could offer SDSL over their own copper pairs if they
>>> wanted, don't feel it worth competing. That's the free market for you: a
>>> number of companies competing to maximise their own profit.
>>
>>
>> We are into the LLU. Opportunities knock for those doing LLU.
>> You can get 8mbit one way.
>> Put in second line and some $10 boxes at the customer end,
>> and you got 8mbit the other way.
>> Its SDSL!
>
> Ok. If a BT exchange serves 1000 customers will there be 2000 copper
> pairs? No. So they can't all have 2 pairs each.


Eh?

Why not?


>> At the exchange it all goes into routers that buffer
>> and automatically contend if necessary. But it
>> don't cost you any extra - a $50 router is still a $50 router!
>> It can content 20 houses to a $20 100mbit switch.
>
> If 200 people want this service who pays for the 200 extra lines to be
> provided? It isn't covered by $50


Eh?
I refer you to previous comment.
Or alternatively break open a thrown away cable and
count like good little boy.

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:48:21 GMT, 7 wrote:

> Alan wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 May 2005 10:52:19 GMT, 7 wrote:
>>

>>>
>>> We are into the LLU. Opportunities knock for those doing LLU.
>>> You can get 8mbit one way.
>>> Put in second line and some $10 boxes at the customer end,
>>> and you got 8mbit the other way.
>>> Its SDSL!
>>
>> Ok. If a BT exchange serves 1000 customers will there be 2000 copper
>> pairs? No. So they can't all have 2 pairs each.
>
>
> Eh?
>
> Why not?
>
I'm not explaining it in monosyllables. Work it out.
>
>>> At the exchange it all goes into routers that buffer
>>> and automatically contend if necessary. But it
>>> don't cost you any extra - a $50 router is still a $50 router!
>>> It can content 20 houses to a $20 100mbit switch.
>>
>> If 200 people want this service who pays for the 200 extra lines to be
>> provided? It isn't covered by $50
>
>
> Eh?
A common response to most questions it seems.

> I refer you to previous comment.
> Or alternatively break open a thrown away cable and
> count like good little boy.

That's really feeble. Is your hat too tight?

7 <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Dr Teeth wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2005 18:47:07 +0100, jas0n <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>I ask as it still seems very expensive, why is it so pricey?
>>
>> It's targeted at businesses not individuals. Look at the difference in
>> price between a chair in an office suppliers and the *same* one in
>> Argos.
>
> Ballocks!
>
> Its designed to rip off customers.
> Overal, its cheaper to provision an SDSL lines than an ADSL line!
> Potentially 8m bit SDSL is cheaper than 8mbit ADSL.
> Its just fucked up assholes who don't know anything
> about telephony actively preventing its adoption.
> With LLU it can be changed.
> I mean who would have thought you could
> deliver 8mbit data to customer over telephone for 30 quid?
> If you said that 3 years ago, nameless fuckwits from big

I am interested in your detailed technical studies that show this.
Can you give me a link?