Satellite broadband

A while ago somebody here was complaining about the lack of ADSL for some
new business premises just north of Norwich.

Did you resolve the problem?

Did you investigate whether a satellite solution was feasible?

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Graham J

Graham J wrote:
> A while ago somebody here was complaining about the lack of ADSL for some
> new business premises just north of Norwich.
>
> Did you resolve the problem?

No.

>
> Did you investigate whether a satellite solution was feasible?
>
Feasible yes, costwise, forget it.

Currently running with a 3G dongle up a rather long pole and just about
getting 50-100K.

But its cheaper than a modem.

About 4% of Norfolk places cant get broadband.

"The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:il6pnv$8ll$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Graham J wrote:
>> A while ago somebody here was complaining about the lack of ADSL for some
>> new business premises just north of Norwich.
>>
>> Did you resolve the problem?
>
> No.
>
>>
>> Did you investigate whether a satellite solution was feasible?
>>
> Feasible yes, costwise, forget it.
>
> Currently running with a 3G dongle up a rather long pole and just about
> getting 50-100K.
>
> But its cheaper than a modem.
>
> About 4% of Norfolk places can't get broadband.

Understood. I'm about to investigate
http://www.tariam.co.uk/products/tooway/ and will report back Costs on the
face of it don't look too bad for a business need. VPN capability looks
iffy.

-- Graham J

Graham J wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:il6pnv$8ll$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Graham J wrote:
>>> A while ago somebody here was complaining about the lack of ADSL for some
>>> new business premises just north of Norwich.
>>>
>>> Did you resolve the problem?
>> No.
>>
>>> Did you investigate whether a satellite solution was feasible?
>>>
>> Feasible yes, costwise, forget it.
>>
>> Currently running with a 3G dongle up a rather long pole and just about
>> getting 50-100K.
>>
>> But its cheaper than a modem.
>>
>> About 4% of Norfolk places can't get broadband.
>
> Understood. I'm about to investigate
> http://www.tariam.co.uk/products/tooway/ and will report back Costs on the
> face of it don't look too bad for a business need. VPN capability looks
> iffy.
>

all the non wired options are pretty iffy to be fair. On many things
like fixed IP addresses. And whether they sit behind mandatory proxies.

We have been forced to relocate the server elsewhere so it is always
accessible, and run just clients from the premises.

TBH if there had been any sort of money available - this is a very very
cottage industry - I would have run a fiber in.. and sold bandwidth off
it to other people nearby. Probably via wifi links.


> -- Graham J
>
>

"The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Graham J wrote:
>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:il6pnv$8ll$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Graham J wrote:
>>>> A while ago somebody here was complaining about the lack of ADSL for
>>>> some new business premises just north of Norwich.
>>>>
>>>> Did you resolve the problem?
>>> No.
>>>
>>>> Did you investigate whether a satellite solution was feasible?
>>>>
>>> Feasible yes, costwise, forget it.
>>>
>>> Currently running with a 3G dongle up a rather long pole and just about
>>> getting 50-100K.
>>>
>>> But its cheaper than a modem.
>>>
>>> About 4% of Norfolk places can't get broadband.
>>
>> Understood. I'm about to investigate
>> http://www.tariam.co.uk/products/tooway/ and will report back Costs on
>> the face of it don't look too bad for a business need. VPN capability
>> looks iffy.
>>
>
> all the non wired options are pretty iffy to be fair. On many things like
> fixed IP addresses. And whether they sit behind mandatory proxies.
>
> We have been forced to relocate the server elsewhere so it is always
> accessible, and run just clients from the premises.
>
> TBH if there had been any sort of money available - this is a very very
> cottage industry - I would have run a fiber in.. and sold bandwidth off it
> to other people nearby. Probably via wifi links.

It's been suggested that Sky could provide a broadband service via their
satellite - but in my experience Sky requires a landline connection of some
sort for the upload path. Does anybody know of any exception to this? If
so, how is the upload achieved?

--
Graham J

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:34:59 -0000, "Graham J" <graham@invalid> wrote:

>
>"The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:il7k0e$36p$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Graham J wrote:
>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:il6pnv$8ll$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> Graham J wrote:
>>>>> A while ago somebody here was complaining about the lack of ADSL for
>>>>> some new business premises just north of Norwich.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you resolve the problem?
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>>> Did you investigate whether a satellite solution was feasible?
>>>>>
>>>> Feasible yes, costwise, forget it.
>>>>
>>>> Currently running with a 3G dongle up a rather long pole and just about
>>>> getting 50-100K.
>>>>
>>>> But its cheaper than a modem.
>>>>
>>>> About 4% of Norfolk places can't get broadband.
>>>
>>> Understood. I'm about to investigate
>>> http://www.tariam.co.uk/products/tooway/ and will report back Costs on
>>> the face of it don't look too bad for a business need. VPN capability
>>> looks iffy.
>>>
>>
>> all the non wired options are pretty iffy to be fair. On many things like
>> fixed IP addresses. And whether they sit behind mandatory proxies.
>>
>> We have been forced to relocate the server elsewhere so it is always
>> accessible, and run just clients from the premises.
>>
>> TBH if there had been any sort of money available - this is a very very
>> cottage industry - I would have run a fiber in.. and sold bandwidth off it
>> to other people nearby. Probably via wifi links.
>
>It's been suggested that Sky could provide a broadband service via their
>satellite - but in my experience Sky requires a landline connection of some
>sort for the upload path. Does anybody know of any exception to this? If
>so, how is the upload achieved?

It seems that Avonline do. See
http://www.avonlinebroadband.co.uk/packages_and_costs/

From the FAQ.
Can I Install it myself?

No you can’t (unless you are a trained and accredited VSAT
installation engineer). Because Satellite Broadband not only receives
data from a satellite (much like Sky) but transmits data back to the
satellite, it is crucial that your system is installed by a trained
and accredited satellite broadband technician.

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brightside S9

brightside S9 wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:34:59 -0000, "Graham J" <graham@invalid> wrote:
>
>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:il7k0e$36p$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Graham J wrote:
>>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:il6pnv$8ll$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> Graham J wrote:
>>>>>> A while ago somebody here was complaining about the lack of ADSL for
>>>>>> some new business premises just north of Norwich.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you resolve the problem?
>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you investigate whether a satellite solution was feasible?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Feasible yes, costwise, forget it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently running with a 3G dongle up a rather long pole and just about
>>>>> getting 50-100K.
>>>>>
>>>>> But its cheaper than a modem.
>>>>>
>>>>> About 4% of Norfolk places can't get broadband.
>>>> Understood. I'm about to investigate
>>>> http://www.tariam.co.uk/products/tooway/ and will report back Costs on
>>>> the face of it don't look too bad for a business need. VPN capability
>>>> looks iffy.
>>>>
>>> all the non wired options are pretty iffy to be fair. On many things like
>>> fixed IP addresses. And whether they sit behind mandatory proxies.
>>>
>>> We have been forced to relocate the server elsewhere so it is always
>>> accessible, and run just clients from the premises.
>>>
>>> TBH if there had been any sort of money available - this is a very very
>>> cottage industry - I would have run a fiber in.. and sold bandwidth off it
>>> to other people nearby. Probably via wifi links.
>> It's been suggested that Sky could provide a broadband service via their
>> satellite - but in my experience Sky requires a landline connection of some
>> sort for the upload path. Does anybody know of any exception to this? If
>> so, how is the upload achieved?
>
> It seems that Avonline do. See
> http://www.avonlinebroadband.co.uk/packages_and_costs/
>
> From the FAQ.
> Can I Install it myself?
>
> No you can’t (unless you are a trained and accredited VSAT
> installation engineer). Because Satellite Broadband not only receives
> data from a satellite (much like Sky) but transmits data back to the
> satellite, it is crucial that your system is installed by a trained
> and accredited satellite broadband technician.
>
Or anyone with a signal strength meter and a bit of nous who knows
roughly where the satellite is..

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:57:53 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>brightside S9 wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:34:59 -0000, "Graham J" <graham@invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:il7k0e$36p$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> Graham J wrote:
>>>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:il6pnv$8ll$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>> Graham J wrote:
>>>>>>> A while ago somebody here was complaining about the lack of ADSL for
>>>>>>> some new business premises just north of Norwich.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you resolve the problem?
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you investigate whether a satellite solution was feasible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feasible yes, costwise, forget it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently running with a 3G dongle up a rather long pole and just about
>>>>>> getting 50-100K.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But its cheaper than a modem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About 4% of Norfolk places can't get broadband.
>>>>> Understood. I'm about to investigate
>>>>> http://www.tariam.co.uk/products/tooway/ and will report back Costs on
>>>>> the face of it don't look too bad for a business need. VPN capability
>>>>> looks iffy.
>>>>>
>>>> all the non wired options are pretty iffy to be fair. On many things like
>>>> fixed IP addresses. And whether they sit behind mandatory proxies.
>>>>
>>>> We have been forced to relocate the server elsewhere so it is always
>>>> accessible, and run just clients from the premises.
>>>>
>>>> TBH if there had been any sort of money available - this is a very very
>>>> cottage industry - I would have run a fiber in.. and sold bandwidth off it
>>>> to other people nearby. Probably via wifi links.
>>> It's been suggested that Sky could provide a broadband service via their
>>> satellite - but in my experience Sky requires a landline connection of some
>>> sort for the upload path. Does anybody know of any exception to this? If
>>> so, how is the upload achieved?
>>
>> It seems that Avonline do. See
>> http://www.avonlinebroadband.co.uk/packages_and_costs/
>>
>> From the FAQ.
>> Can I Install it myself?
>>
>> No you can’t (unless you are a trained and accredited VSAT
>> installation engineer). Because Satellite Broadband not only receives
>> data from a satellite (much like Sky) but transmits data back to the
>> satellite, it is crucial that your system is installed by a trained
>> and accredited satellite broadband technician.
>>
>Or anyone with a signal strength meter and a bit of nous who knows
>roughly where the satellite is..

a bit more disruptive when you are sending a few watts RF skyward.

with the uplink they care about which frequency you transmit on, and
exactly which satellite you point it at - you can disrupt stuff for
others rather than just your incoming signal
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:57:53 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>brightside S9 wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:34:59 -0000, "Graham J" <graham@invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:il7k0e$36p$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> Graham J wrote:
>>>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:il6pnv$8ll$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>> Graham J wrote:
>>>>>>> A while ago somebody here was complaining about the lack of ADSL for
>>>>>>> some new business premises just north of Norwich.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you resolve the problem?
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you investigate whether a satellite solution was feasible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feasible yes, costwise, forget it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently running with a 3G dongle up a rather long pole and just about
>>>>>> getting 50-100K.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But its cheaper than a modem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About 4% of Norfolk places can't get broadband.
>>>>> Understood. I'm about to investigate
>>>>> http://www.tariam.co.uk/products/tooway/ and will report back Costs on
>>>>> the face of it don't look too bad for a business need. VPN capability
>>>>> looks iffy.
>>>>>
>>>> all the non wired options are pretty iffy to be fair. On many things like
>>>> fixed IP addresses. And whether they sit behind mandatory proxies.
>>>>
>>>> We have been forced to relocate the server elsewhere so it is always
>>>> accessible, and run just clients from the premises.
>>>>
>>>> TBH if there had been any sort of money available - this is a very very
>>>> cottage industry - I would have run a fiber in.. and sold bandwidth off it
>>>> to other people nearby. Probably via wifi links.
>>> It's been suggested that Sky could provide a broadband service via their
>>> satellite - but in my experience Sky requires a landline connection of some
>>> sort for the upload path. Does anybody know of any exception to this? If
>>> so, how is the upload achieved?
>>
>> It seems that Avonline do. See
>> http://www.avonlinebroadband.co.uk/packages_and_costs/
>>
>> From the FAQ.
>> Can I Install it myself?
>>
>> No you can’t (unless you are a trained and accredited VSAT
>> installation engineer). Because Satellite Broadband not only receives
>> data from a satellite (much like Sky) but transmits data back to the
>> satellite, it is crucial that your system is installed by a trained
>> and accredited satellite broadband technician.
>>
>Or anyone with a signal strength meter and a bit of nous who knows
>roughly where the satellite is..

The FAQ quote was to show that there in writing it says "data is
transmitted back to the satellite" , and nothing more.

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brightside S9

The Natural Philosopher <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

>> http://www.avonlinebroadband.co.uk/packages_and_costs/
>> From the FAQ.
>> Can I Install it myself?
>> No you can’t (unless you are a trained and accredited VSAT
>> installation engineer). Because Satellite Broadband not only receives
>> data from a satellite (much like Sky) but transmits data back to the
>> satellite, it is crucial that your system is installed by a trained
>> and accredited satellite broadband technician.
>>
>Or anyone with a signal strength meter and a bit of nous who knows
>roughly where the satellite is..

As in fact some of their competitors state.

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