Running AtGuard behind a NAT Router

Hi,

I have AtGuard on a Win98SE Computer behind a ActionTec GT704WG Router.

I can run the firewall and most things run fine but some others don't.
Some Web Sites I can't surf to but others I can.
Also Email and some NGs work and others don't.
I allow the Router's IP but this doesn't change the problem.

When I shut off the firewall everything works fine.
A check at ShieldsUP shows all Ports Stealthed without the Firewall
but I do return a Ping.
Still trying to figure out how to stop that.

I like the Firewall because I can restrict IP's like those for
doubleclick ect... and to restrict apps to specific IPs.

Is there a way I can set the firewall up to run with the Router?

Kevin

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, kevin
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have AtGuard on a Win98SE Computer behind a ActionTec GT704WG Router.
>
>I can run the firewall and most things run fine but some others don't.
>Some Web Sites I can't surf to but others I can.
>Also Email and some NGs work and others don't.
>I allow the Router's IP but this doesn't change the problem.
>
>When I shut off the firewall everything works fine.
>A check at ShieldsUP shows all Ports Stealthed without the Firewall
>but I do return a Ping.
>Still trying to figure out how to stop that.
>
>I like the Firewall because I can restrict IP's like those for
>doubleclick ect... and to restrict apps to specific IPs.
>
>Is there a way I can set the firewall up to run with the Router?
>
>Kevin

The Internet sees your router, not your computer. ShieldsUp is
scanning your router, and your router is returning the ping. There
might be an option in the router's setup to block pings.

The inability to access some web sites, E-mail, and news groups might
be caused by an MTU problem, particularly if you have a DSL connection
that uses PPPoE. Try finding the right MTU value, as shown here:

http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article04-107

You can then make the setting manually or use DrTCP to make it:

http://www.dslreports.com/front/drtcp.html
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Steve Winograd [MVP] wrote:

> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, kevin
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have AtGuard on a Win98SE Computer behind a ActionTec GT704WG Router.
>>
>>I can run the firewall and most things run fine but some others don't.
>>Some Web Sites I can't surf to but others I can.
>>Also Email and some NGs work and others don't.
>>I allow the Router's IP but this doesn't change the problem.
>>
>>When I shut off the firewall everything works fine.
>>A check at ShieldsUP shows all Ports Stealthed without the Firewall
>>but I do return a Ping.
>>Still trying to figure out how to stop that.
>>
>>I like the Firewall because I can restrict IP's like those for
>>doubleclick ect... and to restrict apps to specific IPs.
>>
>>Is there a way I can set the firewall up to run with the Router?
>>
>>Kevin
>
>
> The Internet sees your router, not your computer. ShieldsUp is
> scanning your router, and your router is returning the ping. There
> might be an option in the router's setup to block pings.
>
> The inability to access some web sites, E-mail, and news groups might
> be caused by an MTU problem, particularly if you have a DSL connection
> that uses PPPoE. Try finding the right MTU value, as shown here:
>
> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article04-107
>
> You can then make the setting manually or use DrTCP to make it:
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/front/drtcp.html

Hi Steve,

Yes I'm using DSL and PPPoE.

I tried to Ping but I forgot the Pause comand.
I tried to use /p but it goes off the screen too quick to tell if
there is an error.
Should boot into Dos and do it from there?

I see the DrTCP but until I can see what's what I'll holsd off of that.

I'm more interested in what's going out than what's comming in because
the Router can take care of most of that but still want to see what's
going out.
Router Log is a bit lite on that and set for 10 seconds before clearing.
I'd like to see a more detailed log over time if I could using my
firewall.

I know I said it's AtGuard and it is but it's Norton Internet Security
Version 1, the first before they Bloated it.
It works fine and has worked well for me all these years.
I've never been infected and Spyware has been limited by it as well.
I like being able to go to a web site and know Doubleclick ect is
blocked by a rule I made.

Thanks for your help.
Kevin

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, kevin
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have AtGuard on a Win98SE Computer behind a ActionTec GT704WG Router.
>>>
>>>I can run the firewall and most things run fine but some others don't.
>>>Some Web Sites I can't surf to but others I can.
>>>Also Email and some NGs work and others don't.
>>>I allow the Router's IP but this doesn't change the problem.
>>>
>>>When I shut off the firewall everything works fine.
>>>A check at ShieldsUP shows all Ports Stealthed without the Firewall
>>>but I do return a Ping.
>>>Still trying to figure out how to stop that.
>>>
>>>I like the Firewall because I can restrict IP's like those for
>>>doubleclick ect... and to restrict apps to specific IPs.
>>>
>>>Is there a way I can set the firewall up to run with the Router?
>>>
>>>Kevin
>>
>> The Internet sees your router, not your computer. ShieldsUp is
>> scanning your router, and your router is returning the ping. There
>> might be an option in the router's setup to block pings.
>>
>> The inability to access some web sites, E-mail, and news groups might
>> be caused by an MTU problem, particularly if you have a DSL connection
>> that uses PPPoE. Try finding the right MTU value, as shown here:
>>
>> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article04-107
>>
>> You can then make the setting manually or use DrTCP to make it:
>>
>> http://www.dslreports.com/front/drtcp.html
>
>Hi Steve,
>
>Yes I'm using DSL and PPPoE.
>
>I tried to Ping but I forgot the Pause comand.
>I tried to use /p but it goes off the screen too quick to tell if
>there is an error.
>Should boot into Dos and do it from there?
>
>I see the DrTCP but until I can see what's what I'll holsd off of that.
>
>I'm more interested in what's going out than what's comming in because
>the Router can take care of most of that but still want to see what's
>going out.
>Router Log is a bit lite on that and set for 10 seconds before clearing.
>I'd like to see a more detailed log over time if I could using my
>firewall.
>
>I know I said it's AtGuard and it is but it's Norton Internet Security
>Version 1, the first before they Bloated it.
>It works fine and has worked well for me all these years.
>I've never been infected and Spyware has been limited by it as well.
>I like being able to go to a web site and know Doubleclick ect is
>blocked by a rule I made.
>
>Thanks for your help.
>Kevin

Don't boot into DOS. In Windows 98, open a command prompt window and
type the ping commands there. Click Start | Run, type "command" in
the box, and click OK.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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Steve Winograd [MVP] wrote:

> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, kevin
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>I have AtGuard on a Win98SE Computer behind a ActionTec GT704WG Router.
>>>>
>>>>I can run the firewall and most things run fine but some others don't.
>>>>Some Web Sites I can't surf to but others I can.
>>>>Also Email and some NGs work and others don't.
>>>>I allow the Router's IP but this doesn't change the problem.
>>>>
>>>>When I shut off the firewall everything works fine.
>>>>A check at ShieldsUP shows all Ports Stealthed without the Firewall
>>>>but I do return a Ping.
>>>>Still trying to figure out how to stop that.
>>>>
>>>>I like the Firewall because I can restrict IP's like those for
>>>>doubleclick ect... and to restrict apps to specific IPs.
>>>>
>>>>Is there a way I can set the firewall up to run with the Router?
>>>>
>>>>Kevin
>>>
>>>The Internet sees your router, not your computer. ShieldsUp is
>>>scanning your router, and your router is returning the ping. There
>>>might be an option in the router's setup to block pings.
>>>
>>>The inability to access some web sites, E-mail, and news groups might
>>>be caused by an MTU problem, particularly if you have a DSL connection
>>>that uses PPPoE. Try finding the right MTU value, as shown here:
>>>
>>>http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article04-107
>>>
>>>You can then make the setting manually or use DrTCP to make it:
>>>
>>>http://www.dslreports.com/front/drtcp.html
>>
>>Hi Steve,
>>
>>Yes I'm using DSL and PPPoE.
>>
>>I tried to Ping but I forgot the Pause comand.
>>I tried to use /p but it goes off the screen too quick to tell if
>>there is an error.
>>Should boot into Dos and do it from there?
>>
>>I see the DrTCP but until I can see what's what I'll holsd off of that.
>>
>>I'm more interested in what's going out than what's comming in because
>>the Router can take care of most of that but still want to see what's
>>going out.
>>Router Log is a bit lite on that and set for 10 seconds before clearing.
>>I'd like to see a more detailed log over time if I could using my
>>firewall.
>>
>>I know I said it's AtGuard and it is but it's Norton Internet Security
>>Version 1, the first before they Bloated it.
>>It works fine and has worked well for me all these years.
>>I've never been infected and Spyware has been limited by it as well.
>>I like being able to go to a web site and know Doubleclick ect is
>>blocked by a rule I made.
>>
>>Thanks for your help.
>>Kevin
>
>
> Don't boot into DOS. In Windows 98, open a command prompt window and
> type the ping commands there. Click Start | Run, type "command" in
> the box, and click OK.

Thanks, it's been quite awhile since I played in DOS.
Looking so hard at the problem I forgot about the DOS Prompt Window.

Steve Winograd [MVP] wrote:

> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, kevin
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have AtGuard on a Win98SE Computer behind a ActionTec GT704WG Router.
>>
>>I can run the firewall and most things run fine but some others don't.
>>Some Web Sites I can't surf to but others I can.
>>Also Email and some NGs work and others don't.
>>I allow the Router's IP but this doesn't change the problem.
>>
>>When I shut off the firewall everything works fine.
>>A check at ShieldsUP shows all Ports Stealthed without the Firewall
>>but I do return a Ping.
>>Still trying to figure out how to stop that.
>>
>>I like the Firewall because I can restrict IP's like those for
>>doubleclick ect... and to restrict apps to specific IPs.
>>
>>Is there a way I can set the firewall up to run with the Router?
>>
>>Kevin
>
>
> The Internet sees your router, not your computer. ShieldsUp is
> scanning your router, and your router is returning the ping. There
> might be an option in the router's setup to block pings.
>
> The inability to access some web sites, E-mail, and news groups might
> be caused by an MTU problem, particularly if you have a DSL connection
> that uses PPPoE. Try finding the right MTU value, as shown here:
>
> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article04-107
>
> You can then make the setting manually or use DrTCP to make it:
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/front/drtcp.html

I made the change manually but I noticed a difference.

Windows 98/Me:

1. Run the Registry Editor (REGEDIT.EXE) on one of your "Client"
machines.
2. Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ System\ CurrentControlSet\
Services\ Class\ Net\.
3. Under that branch, find a key (numbered, such as 0005) that
contains has TCP/IP assigned to the DriverDesc value.
4. Select New from the Edit menu, then String Value, and type
MaxMTU for the name of the new value.
5. Double-click the new value, choose the Decimal option, and type
the MTU value determined above.

I don't see a "Decimal option" but I typed in 1454 anyway.

6. Click Ok when you're done - you'll need to restart Windows for
this change take effect.
7. Repeat this for each Client machine.


I also saw another String there called IPMTU and it's Value Data was 1400.
Since DriverDesc is my Dialup and I'm using DSL, what is the IPMTU?

Kevin

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, kevin
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Steve Winograd [MVP] wrote:
>
>> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, kevin
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have AtGuard on a Win98SE Computer behind a ActionTec GT704WG Router.
>>>
>>>I can run the firewall and most things run fine but some others don't.
>>>Some Web Sites I can't surf to but others I can.
>>>Also Email and some NGs work and others don't.
>>>I allow the Router's IP but this doesn't change the problem.
>>>
>>>When I shut off the firewall everything works fine.
>>>A check at ShieldsUP shows all Ports Stealthed without the Firewall
>>>but I do return a Ping.
>>>Still trying to figure out how to stop that.
>>>
>>>I like the Firewall because I can restrict IP's like those for
>>>doubleclick ect... and to restrict apps to specific IPs.
>>>
>>>Is there a way I can set the firewall up to run with the Router?
>>>
>>>Kevin
>>
>> The Internet sees your router, not your computer. ShieldsUp is
>> scanning your router, and your router is returning the ping. There
>> might be an option in the router's setup to block pings.
>>
>> The inability to access some web sites, E-mail, and news groups might
>> be caused by an MTU problem, particularly if you have a DSL connection
>> that uses PPPoE. Try finding the right MTU value, as shown here:
>>
>> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article04-107
>>
>> You can then make the setting manually or use DrTCP to make it:
>>
>> http://www.dslreports.com/front/drtcp.html
>
>I made the change manually but I noticed a difference.
>
>Windows 98/Me:
>
> 1. Run the Registry Editor (REGEDIT.EXE) on one of your "Client"
>machines.
> 2. Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ System\ CurrentControlSet\
>Services\ Class\ Net\.
> 3. Under that branch, find a key (numbered, such as 0005) that
>contains has TCP/IP assigned to the DriverDesc value.
> 4. Select New from the Edit menu, then String Value, and type
>MaxMTU for the name of the new value.
> 5. Double-click the new value, choose the Decimal option, and type
>the MTU value determined above.
>
>I don't see a "Decimal option" but I typed in 1454 anyway.
>
> 6. Click Ok when you're done - you'll need to restart Windows for
>this change take effect.
> 7. Repeat this for each Client machine.
>
>
>I also saw another String there called IPMTU and it's Value Data was 1400.
>Since DriverDesc is my Dialup and I'm using DSL, what is the IPMTU?
>
>Kevin

These sites should help:

http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks/MTU
http://www.dslreports.com/drtcp
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
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Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
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