RRAS EventID 20106

Hi

For some reasons (I expect, that's because of the installation of Hyper-V)
my Servers (2008 and 2008 R2) can't add the interfaces to RRAS anymore (all
those, that were NOT installed BEFORE the Hyper-V role has been added! ->
oh, removing Hyper-V does not help, removing RRAS and adding it again does
also not help... all I could do is reinstalling the whole server ... and,
that's what I did last time... but... that's not a good option!) ... I
always get an 20106, error, cannot complete this function (which by the way
is extremely informative, because now I know, that it could be anything...).
Now... does someone have an idea what to do? ... I mean, there must be
someone who programmed the behaviour to log this error message in case of my
failure... so there must be at least one person to know what could cause
this... so... MICROSOFT: PLEASE TALK TO ME! ...

thanks a lot...
Rudolf

"Rudolf Meier" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi
>
> For some reasons (I expect, that's because of the installation of Hyper-V)
> my Servers (2008 and 2008 R2) can't add the interfaces to RRAS anymore
> (all those, that were NOT installed BEFORE the Hyper-V role has been
> added! -> oh, removing Hyper-V does not help, removing RRAS and adding it
> again does also not help... all I could do is reinstalling the whole
> server ... and, that's what I did last time... but... that's not a good
> option!) ... I always get an 20106, error, cannot complete this function
> (which by the way is extremely informative, because now I know, that it
> could be anything...). Now... does someone have an idea what to do? ... I
> mean, there must be someone who programmed the behaviour to log this error
> message in case of my failure... so there must be at least one person to
> know what could cause this... so... MICROSOFT: PLEASE TALK TO ME! ...
>
> thanks a lot...
> Rudolf
>
>

Why have you installed Hyper-V on a machine which is running as a RRAS
router? That is not a great idea.

Installing the hyper-V role makes big changes to the networking of the
host machine. If you need RRAS I would recommend running it in a vm, not in
the host/parent partition.

Hi Bill

> Why have you installed Hyper-V on a machine which is running as a RRAS
> router? That is not a great idea.

Branch office, 1 server, old server software... do I have to say more?
Well... IF this is a problem for Windows, so why does the setup allow me to
do this??

> Installing the hyper-V role makes big changes to the networking of the
> host machine. If you need RRAS I would recommend running it in a vm, not
> in the host/parent partition.

That's like asking "why do you want to use all 4 doors of your car? ... I'd
recommend to enter the car by the front doors only" ... I want to use it,
because they say it's possible to use it and because I payed for it!

Rudolf

"Rudolf Meier" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:eUZHM#(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Bill
>
>> Why have you installed Hyper-V on a machine which is running as a RRAS
>> router? That is not a great idea.
>
> Branch office, 1 server, old server software... do I have to say more?
> Well... IF this is a problem for Windows, so why does the setup allow me
> to do this??
>
>> Installing the hyper-V role makes big changes to the networking of the
>> host machine. If you need RRAS I would recommend running it in a vm, not
>> in the host/parent partition.
>
> That's like asking "why do you want to use all 4 doors of your car? ...
> I'd recommend to enter the car by the front doors only" ... I want to use
> it, because they say it's possible to use it and because I payed for it!
>
> Rudolf
>
>
Fine. But if you run an unusual setup, you are essentially on your own.
The hardware can't be all that old if it will run Hyper-V.

Hyper-V is not an add-on virtualization product like Virtual Server.
Adding the Hyper-V role makes fundamental changes to the way the system
works and the way networking works.

You can effectively run all of this on one machine, but you need to set
it up so that you are taking advantage of virtualization, not trying to make
it work your way despite virtualization.

The recommended method is to run nothing in the parent partition except
the Hyper-V role. To use your car analogy, it is just the engine and
chassis. Install things like RRAS or DCs in vms.

> "Rudolf Meier" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:eUZHM#(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi Bill
>>
>>> Why have you installed Hyper-V on a machine which is running as a RRAS
>>> router? That is not a great idea.
>>
>> Branch office, 1 server, old server software... do I have to say more?
>> Well... IF this is a problem for Windows, so why does the setup allow me
>> to do this??
>>
>>> Installing the hyper-V role makes big changes to the networking of
>>> the host machine. If you need RRAS I would recommend running it in a vm,
>>> not in the host/parent partition.
>>
>> That's like asking "why do you want to use all 4 doors of your car? ...
>> I'd recommend to enter the car by the front doors only" ... I want to use
>> it, because they say it's possible to use it and because I payed for it!
>>
>> Rudolf
>>
>>
> Fine. But if you run an unusual setup, you are essentially on your own.
> The hardware can't be all that old if it will run Hyper-V.
>
> Hyper-V is not an add-on virtualization product like Virtual Server.
> Adding the Hyper-V role makes fundamental changes to the way the system
> works and the way networking works.
>
> You can effectively run all of this on one machine, but you need to set
> it up so that you are taking advantage of virtualization, not trying to
> make it work your way despite virtualization.
>
> The recommended method is to run nothing in the parent partition except
> the Hyper-V role. To use your car analogy, it is just the engine and
> chassis. Install things like RRAS or DCs in vms.

Well... anyway... Microsoft told me, that it has to work and they're
investigating this now. It's definitively a bug, because, after the removal
of the Hyper-V role, RRAS still doesn't work, and that's for shure not what
the inteded the system to do...

I only use Hyper-V for old software, not because I want to separate roles
from each other... (by the way, I think that's rather supid to this, because
it's nothing else than wasting resources and energy... the roles have to be
designed, that they can run beside each other on the same OS and that they
don't need a virtual machine... but I know, that the reality looks different
and every programmer thinks, that his application is the only one running on
a computer)

Rudolf

In my experience, the best way to minmize these issues is to make sure the
Hyper-V role is the first thing you install on a server. All other roles
should come afterwards.

"Rudolf Meier" wrote:

> > "Rudolf Meier" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:eUZHM#(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> Hi Bill
> >>
> >>> Why have you installed Hyper-V on a machine which is running as a RRAS
> >>> router? That is not a great idea.
> >>
> >> Branch office, 1 server, old server software... do I have to say more?
> >> Well... IF this is a problem for Windows, so why does the setup allow me
> >> to do this??
> >>
> >>> Installing the hyper-V role makes big changes to the networking of
> >>> the host machine. If you need RRAS I would recommend running it in a vm,
> >>> not in the host/parent partition.
> >>
> >> That's like asking "why do you want to use all 4 doors of your car? ...
> >> I'd recommend to enter the car by the front doors only" ... I want to use
> >> it, because they say it's possible to use it and because I payed for it!
> >>
> >> Rudolf
> >>
> >>
> > Fine. But if you run an unusual setup, you are essentially on your own.
> > The hardware can't be all that old if it will run Hyper-V.
> >
> > Hyper-V is not an add-on virtualization product like Virtual Server.
> > Adding the Hyper-V role makes fundamental changes to the way the system
> > works and the way networking works.
> >
> > You can effectively run all of this on one machine, but you need to set
> > it up so that you are taking advantage of virtualization, not trying to
> > make it work your way despite virtualization.
> >
> > The recommended method is to run nothing in the parent partition except
> > the Hyper-V role. To use your car analogy, it is just the engine and
> > chassis. Install things like RRAS or DCs in vms.
>
> Well... anyway... Microsoft told me, that it has to work and they're
> investigating this now. It's definitively a bug, because, after the removal
> of the Hyper-V role, RRAS still doesn't work, and that's for shure not what
> the inteded the system to do...
>
> I only use Hyper-V for old software, not because I want to separate roles
> from each other... (by the way, I think that's rather supid to this, because
> it's nothing else than wasting resources and energy... the roles have to be
> designed, that they can run beside each other on the same OS and that they
> don't need a virtual machine... but I know, that the reality looks different
> and every programmer thinks, that his application is the only one running on
> a computer)
>
> Rudolf
>
>
>