Routing and Remote Access

I'm trying to deploy Windows Server 2008 as a domain controller that is
connected to my ISP's router and thus use Server 2008 as a router to share my
Internet connection among PCs on my LAN. When I look at the documentation on
TechNet, some of the crucial docs required to set this up are missing
http://technet2.microsoft.com/window....mspx?mfr=true

When will Microsoft update this site with the right docs?

Thanks.

Hello HotmailUser,

Do not configure a DC as a router for sharing internet connections and multihome
it for this with 2 different ip's.
Connect your router to a switch, where all servers and clients are connected.
Configure the clients to point only to the DC/DNS server as DNS server and
configure a forwarder on the DNS managemen console from the server porperties
to your ISP's DNS server. This will prevent you from a lot of trouble of
multihoming a domain controller.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no rights.
** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

> I'm trying to deploy Windows Server 2008 as a domain controller that
> is
>
> connected to my ISP's router and thus use Server 2008 as a router to
> share my
>
> Internet connection among PCs on my LAN. When I look at the
> documentation on
>
> TechNet, some of the crucial docs required to set this up are missing:
>
> http://technet2.microsoft.com/window...ry/59e1e955-31
> 59-41a1-b8fd-047defcbd3f41033.mspx?mfr=true
>
> When will Microsoft update this site with the right docs?
>
> Thanks.
>

I don't understand the approach you have suggested. I'm a newbie to
networking. My background is software development. Are there some websites on
the Internet where what you have suggested is explained in more precise
detail?

Thanks.


"Meinolf Weber" wrote:

> Hello HotmailUser,
>
> Do not configure a DC as a router for sharing internet connections and multihome
> it for this with 2 different ip's.
> Connect your router to a switch, where all servers and clients are connected.
> Configure the clients to point only to the DC/DNS server as DNS server and
> configure a forwarder on the DNS managemen console from the server porperties
> to your ISP's DNS server. This will prevent you from a lot of trouble of
> multihoming a domain controller.
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
> > I'm trying to deploy Windows Server 2008 as a domain controller that
> > is
> >
> > connected to my ISP's router and thus use Server 2008 as a router to
> > share my
> >
> > Internet connection among PCs on my LAN. When I look at the
> > documentation on
> >
> > TechNet, some of the crucial docs required to set this up are missing:
> >
> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/window...ry/59e1e955-31
> > 59-41a1-b8fd-047defcbd3f41033.mspx?mfr=true
> >
> > When will Microsoft update this site with the right docs?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>
>
>

Unless you want odd things happening, don't use a DC as a router (or as a
remote access server). This is not someting new in Server 2008, but standard
practice. The only exception to this is sbs, which is designed to run in
that config.


"HotmailUser" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:02B9E994-04AD-4CC1-8F52-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I don't understand the approach you have suggested. I'm a newbie to
> networking. My background is software development. Are there some websites
> on
> the Internet where what you have suggested is explained in more precise
> detail?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> "Meinolf Weber" wrote:
>
>> Hello HotmailUser,
>>
>> Do not configure a DC as a router for sharing internet connections and
>> multihome
>> it for this with 2 different ip's.
>> Connect your router to a switch, where all servers and clients are
>> connected.
>> Configure the clients to point only to the DC/DNS server as DNS server
>> and
>> configure a forwarder on the DNS managemen console from the server
>> porperties
>> to your ISP's DNS server. This will prevent you from a lot of trouble of
>> multihoming a domain controller.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Meinolf Weber
>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>> confers
>> no rights.
>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>
>> > I'm trying to deploy Windows Server 2008 as a domain controller that
>> > is
>> >
>> > connected to my ISP's router and thus use Server 2008 as a router to
>> > share my
>> >
>> > Internet connection among PCs on my LAN. When I look at the
>> > documentation on
>> >
>> > TechNet, some of the crucial docs required to set this up are missing:
>> >
>> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/window...ry/59e1e955-31
>> > 59-41a1-b8fd-047defcbd3f41033.mspx?mfr=true
>> >
>> > When will Microsoft update this site with the right docs?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>>
>>
>>

That still doesn't answer my question. Is there a website where the approach
suggested by Meinolf Weber is described in more detail?

Thanks.

"Bill Grant" wrote:

> Unless you want odd things happening, don't use a DC as a router (or as a
> remote access server). This is not someting new in Server 2008, but standard
> practice. The only exception to this is sbs, which is designed to run in
> that config.
>
>
> "HotmailUser" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:02B9E994-04AD-4CC1-8F52-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I don't understand the approach you have suggested. I'm a newbie to
> > networking. My background is software development. Are there some websites
> > on
> > the Internet where what you have suggested is explained in more precise
> > detail?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > "Meinolf Weber" wrote:
> >
> >> Hello HotmailUser,
> >>
> >> Do not configure a DC as a router for sharing internet connections and
> >> multihome
> >> it for this with 2 different ip's.
> >> Connect your router to a switch, where all servers and clients are
> >> connected.
> >> Configure the clients to point only to the DC/DNS server as DNS server
> >> and
> >> configure a forwarder on the DNS managemen console from the server
> >> porperties
> >> to your ISP's DNS server. This will prevent you from a lot of trouble of
> >> multihoming a domain controller.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >>
> >> Meinolf Weber
> >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> >> confers
> >> no rights.
> >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> >> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
> >>
> >> > I'm trying to deploy Windows Server 2008 as a domain controller that
> >> > is
> >> >
> >> > connected to my ISP's router and thus use Server 2008 as a router to
> >> > share my
> >> >
> >> > Internet connection among PCs on my LAN. When I look at the
> >> > documentation on
> >> >
> >> > TechNet, some of the crucial docs required to set this up are missing:
> >> >
> >> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/window...ry/59e1e955-31
> >> > 59-41a1-b8fd-047defcbd3f41033.mspx?mfr=true
> >> >
> >> > When will Microsoft update this site with the right docs?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

I guess it's because I would be using a switch that I don't have to worry
about routing, correct? Or do I have to do anything to configure IP routing
in this scenario?

Thanks.

"Meinolf Weber" wrote:

> Hello HotmailUser,
>
> Do not configure a DC as a router for sharing internet connections and multihome
> it for this with 2 different ip's.
> Connect your router to a switch, where all servers and clients are connected.
> Configure the clients to point only to the DC/DNS server as DNS server and
> configure a forwarder on the DNS managemen console from the server porperties
> to your ISP's DNS server. This will prevent you from a lot of trouble of
> multihoming a domain controller.
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
> > I'm trying to deploy Windows Server 2008 as a domain controller that
> > is
> >
> > connected to my ISP's router and thus use Server 2008 as a router to
> > share my
> >
> > Internet connection among PCs on my LAN. When I look at the
> > documentation on
> >
> > TechNet, some of the crucial docs required to set this up are missing:
> >
> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/window...ry/59e1e955-31
> > 59-41a1-b8fd-047defcbd3f41033.mspx?mfr=true
> >
> > When will Microsoft update this site with the right docs?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>
>
>

It would help it you told us exactly what you are trying to do.

If your connection to your ISP is an ADSL router, you do not need to set
up your server as a router. The server can use the router as its Internet
gateway and so can the workstations.

What you do need to change is your network config and your DNS settings.
AD is not compatible with the standard setup of a SOHO ADSL "router". You
need to set the LAN machines (including the server) to use the router as the
default gateway but use the DC as their DNS server. DNS on the server needs
to be modified to forward to a public DNS server (such as the on at your
ISP). I would turn off the DHCP option on the router and run DHCP on the
server. eg

Internet
|
public IP
ADSL
192.168.1.1
|
DC
192.168.1.2 dg 192.168.1.1 DNS 192.168.1.2
|
workstations
192.168.1.x dg 192.168.1.1 DNS 192.168.1.2

"HotmailUser" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:5231AD0A-5081-41B2-953C-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I guess it's because I would be using a switch that I don't have to worry
> about routing, correct? Or do I have to do anything to configure IP
> routing
> in this scenario?
>
> Thanks.
>
> "Meinolf Weber" wrote:
>
>> Hello HotmailUser,
>>
>> Do not configure a DC as a router for sharing internet connections and
>> multihome
>> it for this with 2 different ip's.
>> Connect your router to a switch, where all servers and clients are
>> connected.
>> Configure the clients to point only to the DC/DNS server as DNS server
>> and
>> configure a forwarder on the DNS managemen console from the server
>> porperties
>> to your ISP's DNS server. This will prevent you from a lot of trouble of
>> multihoming a domain controller.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Meinolf Weber
>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>> confers
>> no rights.
>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>
>> > I'm trying to deploy Windows Server 2008 as a domain controller that
>> > is
>> >
>> > connected to my ISP's router and thus use Server 2008 as a router to
>> > share my
>> >
>> > Internet connection among PCs on my LAN. When I look at the
>> > documentation on
>> >
>> > TechNet, some of the crucial docs required to set this up are missing:
>> >
>> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/window...ry/59e1e955-31
>> > 59-41a1-b8fd-047defcbd3f41033.mspx?mfr=true
>> >
>> > When will Microsoft update this site with the right docs?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>>
>>
>>

Thanks a lot for your post.

However, there's no firewall involved in this. I would like to install ISA
Server 2006 on Server 2008 and make that my default gateway for the LAN PCs.

What kind of setup do I need for that?

Thanks.

"Bill Grant" wrote:

> It would help it you told us exactly what you are trying to do.
>
> If your connection to your ISP is an ADSL router, you do not need to set
> up your server as a router. The server can use the router as its Internet
> gateway and so can the workstations.
>
> What you do need to change is your network config and your DNS settings.
> AD is not compatible with the standard setup of a SOHO ADSL "router". You
> need to set the LAN machines (including the server) to use the router as the
> default gateway but use the DC as their DNS server. DNS on the server needs
> to be modified to forward to a public DNS server (such as the on at your
> ISP). I would turn off the DHCP option on the router and run DHCP on the
> server. eg
>
> Internet
> |
> public IP
> ADSL
> 192.168.1.1
> |
> DC
> 192.168.1.2 dg 192.168.1.1 DNS 192.168.1.2
> |
> workstations
> 192.168.1.x dg 192.168.1.1 DNS 192.168.1.2
>
> "HotmailUser" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:5231AD0A-5081-41B2-953C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I guess it's because I would be using a switch that I don't have to worry
> > about routing, correct? Or do I have to do anything to configure IP
> > routing
> > in this scenario?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > "Meinolf Weber" wrote:
> >
> >> Hello HotmailUser,
> >>
> >> Do not configure a DC as a router for sharing internet connections and
> >> multihome
> >> it for this with 2 different ip's.
> >> Connect your router to a switch, where all servers and clients are
> >> connected.
> >> Configure the clients to point only to the DC/DNS server as DNS server
> >> and
> >> configure a forwarder on the DNS managemen console from the server
> >> porperties
> >> to your ISP's DNS server. This will prevent you from a lot of trouble of
> >> multihoming a domain controller.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >>
> >> Meinolf Weber
> >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> >> confers
> >> no rights.
> >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> >> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
> >>
> >> > I'm trying to deploy Windows Server 2008 as a domain controller that
> >> > is
> >> >
> >> > connected to my ISP's router and thus use Server 2008 as a router to
> >> > share my
> >> >
> >> > Internet connection among PCs on my LAN. When I look at the
> >> > documentation on
> >> >
> >> > TechNet, some of the crucial docs required to set this up are missing:
> >> >
> >> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/window...ry/59e1e955-31
> >> > 59-41a1-b8fd-047defcbd3f41033.mspx?mfr=true
> >> >
> >> > When will Microsoft update this site with the right docs?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

You need two servers to do that. You do not run ISA server on a DC. You
do not connect a DC directly to the Internet. The setup you describe is only
a reasonable setup on SBS server which is designed to run that way.

Without the SBS wizards you will have all sorts of odd problems with
browsing and Netbios name resolution because of the multihomed DC. You will
also probably have problems with DNS because you have muliple IP addresses
for the DC.

"HotmailUser" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
newsFAED836-F6C3-4359-90F8-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thanks a lot for your post.
>
> However, there's no firewall involved in this. I would like to install ISA
> Server 2006 on Server 2008 and make that my default gateway for the LAN
> PCs.
>
> What kind of setup do I need for that?
>
> Thanks.
>
> "Bill Grant" wrote:
>
>> It would help it you told us exactly what you are trying to do.
>>
>> If your connection to your ISP is an ADSL router, you do not need to
>> set
>> up your server as a router. The server can use the router as its Internet
>> gateway and so can the workstations.
>>
>> What you do need to change is your network config and your DNS
>> settings.
>> AD is not compatible with the standard setup of a SOHO ADSL "router".
>> You
>> need to set the LAN machines (including the server) to use the router as
>> the
>> default gateway but use the DC as their DNS server. DNS on the server
>> needs
>> to be modified to forward to a public DNS server (such as the on at your
>> ISP). I would turn off the DHCP option on the router and run DHCP on the
>> server. eg
>>
>> Internet
>> |
>> public IP
>> ADSL
>> 192.168.1.1
>> |
>> DC
>> 192.168.1.2 dg 192.168.1.1 DNS 192.168.1.2
>> |
>> workstations
>> 192.168.1.x dg 192.168.1.1 DNS 192.168.1.2
>>
>> "HotmailUser" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:5231AD0A-5081-41B2-953C-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >I guess it's because I would be using a switch that I don't have to
>> >worry
>> > about routing, correct? Or do I have to do anything to configure IP
>> > routing
>> > in this scenario?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > "Meinolf Weber" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello HotmailUser,
>> >>
>> >> Do not configure a DC as a router for sharing internet connections and
>> >> multihome
>> >> it for this with 2 different ip's.
>> >> Connect your router to a switch, where all servers and clients are
>> >> connected.
>> >> Configure the clients to point only to the DC/DNS server as DNS server
>> >> and
>> >> configure a forwarder on the DNS managemen console from the server
>> >> porperties
>> >> to your ISP's DNS server. This will prevent you from a lot of trouble
>> >> of
>> >> multihoming a domain controller.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards
>> >>
>> >> Meinolf Weber
>> >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>> >> confers
>> >> no rights.
>> >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>> >> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>> >>
>> >> > I'm trying to deploy Windows Server 2008 as a domain controller that
>> >> > is
>> >> >
>> >> > connected to my ISP's router and thus use Server 2008 as a router to
>> >> > share my
>> >> >
>> >> > Internet connection among PCs on my LAN. When I look at the
>> >> > documentation on
>> >> >
>> >> > TechNet, some of the crucial docs required to set this up are
>> >> > missing:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://technet2.microsoft.com/window...ry/59e1e955-31
>> >> > 59-41a1-b8fd-047defcbd3f41033.mspx?mfr=true
>> >> >
>> >> > When will Microsoft update this site with the right docs?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>