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Calvin.Lai@shaw.ca
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      12-01-2006, 06:03 PM
ISP
|
(Ext IP)
Cisco Router
(10.53.24.1)
|
Cisco switch (10.53.24.0/24)
|
(10.53.24.3)
W2K3
(192.168.1.1)
|
Cisco switch (192.168.0.0/16)
|
(192.168.2.1)
WXP

W2K3 has DHCP configured, dishing out IP address
(192.168.2.1-192.168.2.254, 255.255.0.0), GW (192.168.1.1), and DNS
(10.53.24.5) on the 192.168.1.1 interface. It also has Routing and RA.

In Routing and RA mgmt console: Routing and RA > W2K3 > IP ROUTING >
NAT/BASIC FW

Properties of 192.168.1.1 int NIC of W2K3: pvt int connected to pvt
network.

Properties of 10.53.24.3 ext NIC of W2K3: 3 diff things I tried:

1. BASIC FW ONLY... WXP CANNOT surf the web (as expected). From a
workstation on 10.53.24.x with "route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0
10.53.24.3", I CAN remote desktop, ping, etc WXP.

2. PUBLIC INT CONNECT TO INET: ENABLE NAT ON THIS INTERFACE... WXP
CAN surf the web (as expected). From a workstation on 10.53.24.x with
"route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0 10.53.24.3", I CANNOT remote
desktop, ping, etc WXP.

3. PUBLIC INT CONNECT TO INET: ENABLE NAT ON THIS INTERFACE and ENABLE
BASIC FW... WXP CAN surf the web (as expected). From a workstation on
10.53.24.x with "route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0 10.53.24.3", I
CANNOT remote desktop, ping, etc WXP.

#3 above DOES NOT make sense to me. Wouldn't #3 be a combo of #1 and
#2???

What I want is to be able to have ALL traffic open going both ways:
10.53.24.x to 192.168.0.0 and vice versa. And also, enable 192.168.0.0
workstations to be able to surf the net.

 
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Robert L [MVP - Networking]
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      12-01-2006, 09:03 PM
1. What is this (192.168.2.1-192.168.2.254, 255.255.0.0) for?
2. If you wan "to have ALL traffic open going both ways: 10.53.24.x to 192.168.0.0 and vice versa, you don't need to enable NAT/firewall, you just need to enable LAN routing only.

Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed) ups.com...
ISP
|
(Ext IP)
Cisco Router
(10.53.24.1)
|
Cisco switch (10.53.24.0/24)
|
(10.53.24.3)
W2K3
(192.168.1.1)
|
Cisco switch (192.168.0.0/16)
|
(192.168.2.1)
WXP

W2K3 has DHCP configured, dishing out IP address
(192.168.2.1-192.168.2.254, 255.255.0.0), GW (192.168.1.1), and DNS
(10.53.24.5) on the 192.168.1.1 interface. It also has Routing and RA.

In Routing and RA mgmt console: Routing and RA > W2K3 > IP ROUTING >
NAT/BASIC FW

Properties of 192.168.1.1 int NIC of W2K3: pvt int connected to pvt
network.

Properties of 10.53.24.3 ext NIC of W2K3: 3 diff things I tried:

1. BASIC FW ONLY... WXP CANNOT surf the web (as expected). From a
workstation on 10.53.24.x with "route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0
10.53.24.3", I CAN remote desktop, ping, etc WXP.

2. PUBLIC INT CONNECT TO INET: ENABLE NAT ON THIS INTERFACE... WXP
CAN surf the web (as expected). From a workstation on 10.53.24.x with
"route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0 10.53.24.3", I CANNOT remote
desktop, ping, etc WXP.

3. PUBLIC INT CONNECT TO INET: ENABLE NAT ON THIS INTERFACE and ENABLE
BASIC FW... WXP CAN surf the web (as expected). From a workstation on
10.53.24.x with "route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0 10.53.24.3", I
CANNOT remote desktop, ping, etc WXP.

#3 above DOES NOT make sense to me. Wouldn't #3 be a combo of #1 and
#2???

What I want is to be able to have ALL traffic open going both ways:
10.53.24.x to 192.168.0.0 and vice versa. And also, enable 192.168.0.0
workstations to be able to surf the net.

 
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Bill Grant
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      12-01-2006, 11:52 PM
As Bob said, you can't use NAT on the Windows router. NAT is a one-way
address translation setup. You cannot access machines on the "private" side
from the "public" side. What you need to do is use normal IP routing, not
NAT, and let the Cisco router do NAT for both subnets.

Without NAT you will need extra routing to get traffic from the 10.52.24
subnet to the 192.168 machines. Rather than putting a route on each
machine, you can add it to the Cisco router.

Internet
|
public IP
Cisco Router (static route 192.168.0.0 255.255.0.0 10.53.24.3)
10.53.24.1
|
10.53.24.x dg 10.53.24.1
|
10.53.24.3 dg 10.53.24.1
RRAS
192.168.1.1 dg blank
|
192.168.x.y dg 192.168.1.1


"Robert L [MVP - Networking]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
1. What is this (192.168.2.1-192.168.2.254, 255.255.0.0) for?
2. If you wan "to have ALL traffic open going both ways: 10.53.24.x to
192.168.0.0 and vice versa, you don't need to enable NAT/firewall, you just
need to enable LAN routing only.

Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) ups.com...
ISP
|
(Ext IP)
Cisco Router
(10.53.24.1)
|
Cisco switch (10.53.24.0/24)
|
(10.53.24.3)
W2K3
(192.168.1.1)
|
Cisco switch (192.168.0.0/16)
|
(192.168.2.1)
WXP

W2K3 has DHCP configured, dishing out IP address
(192.168.2.1-192.168.2.254, 255.255.0.0), GW (192.168.1.1), and DNS
(10.53.24.5) on the 192.168.1.1 interface. It also has Routing and RA.

In Routing and RA mgmt console: Routing and RA > W2K3 > IP ROUTING >
NAT/BASIC FW

Properties of 192.168.1.1 int NIC of W2K3: pvt int connected to pvt
network.

Properties of 10.53.24.3 ext NIC of W2K3: 3 diff things I tried:

1. BASIC FW ONLY... WXP CANNOT surf the web (as expected). From a
workstation on 10.53.24.x with "route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0
10.53.24.3", I CAN remote desktop, ping, etc WXP.

2. PUBLIC INT CONNECT TO INET: ENABLE NAT ON THIS INTERFACE... WXP
CAN surf the web (as expected). From a workstation on 10.53.24.x with
"route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0 10.53.24.3", I CANNOT remote
desktop, ping, etc WXP.

3. PUBLIC INT CONNECT TO INET: ENABLE NAT ON THIS INTERFACE and ENABLE
BASIC FW... WXP CAN surf the web (as expected). From a workstation on
10.53.24.x with "route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0 10.53.24.3", I
CANNOT remote desktop, ping, etc WXP.

#3 above DOES NOT make sense to me. Wouldn't #3 be a combo of #1 and
#2???

What I want is to be able to have ALL traffic open going both ways:
10.53.24.x to 192.168.0.0 and vice versa. And also, enable 192.168.0.0
workstations to be able to surf the net.


 
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Calvin.Lai@shaw.ca
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      12-05-2006, 07:25 PM
I've enabled just "LAN Routing" on 10.53.24.3. I can RDC, ping, etc
from a 10.53.24.x workstation to 192.168.2.1 workstation (after adding
a 192.168.x.x route manually on the 10.53.24.x workstation)

However, the 192.168.2.1 workstation can't surf the internet, access
10.53.24.x workstations, etc.

What's next step?

Bill Grant wrote:
> As Bob said, you can't use NAT on the Windows router. NAT is a one-way
> address translation setup. You cannot access machines on the "private" side
> from the "public" side. What you need to do is use normal IP routing, not
> NAT, and let the Cisco router do NAT for both subnets.
>
> Without NAT you will need extra routing to get traffic from the 10.52.24
> subnet to the 192.168 machines. Rather than putting a route on each
> machine, you can add it to the Cisco router.
>
> Internet
> |
> public IP
> Cisco Router (static route 192.168.0.0 255.255.0.0 10.53.24.3)
> 10.53.24.1
> |
> 10.53.24.x dg 10.53.24.1
> |
> 10.53.24.3 dg 10.53.24.1
> RRAS
> 192.168.1.1 dg blank
> |
> 192.168.x.y dg 192.168.1.1
>
>
> "Robert L [MVP - Networking]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> 1. What is this (192.168.2.1-192.168.2.254, 255.255.0.0) for?
> 2. If you wan "to have ALL traffic open going both ways: 10.53.24.x to
> 192.168.0.0 and vice versa, you don't need to enable NAT/firewall, you just
> need to enable LAN routing only.
>
> Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
> Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
> http://www.ChicagoTech.net
> How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
> http://www.HowToNetworking.com
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) ups.com...
> ISP
> |
> (Ext IP)
> Cisco Router
> (10.53.24.1)
> |
> Cisco switch (10.53.24.0/24)
> |
> (10.53.24.3)
> W2K3
> (192.168.1.1)
> |
> Cisco switch (192.168.0.0/16)
> |
> (192.168.2.1)
> WXP
>
> W2K3 has DHCP configured, dishing out IP address
> (192.168.2.1-192.168.2.254, 255.255.0.0), GW (192.168.1.1), and DNS
> (10.53.24.5) on the 192.168.1.1 interface. It also has Routing and RA.
>
> In Routing and RA mgmt console: Routing and RA > W2K3 > IP ROUTING >
> NAT/BASIC FW
>
> Properties of 192.168.1.1 int NIC of W2K3: pvt int connected to pvt
> network.
>
> Properties of 10.53.24.3 ext NIC of W2K3: 3 diff things I tried:
>
> 1. BASIC FW ONLY... WXP CANNOT surf the web (as expected). From a
> workstation on 10.53.24.x with "route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0
> 10.53.24.3", I CAN remote desktop, ping, etc WXP.
>
> 2. PUBLIC INT CONNECT TO INET: ENABLE NAT ON THIS INTERFACE... WXP
> CAN surf the web (as expected). From a workstation on 10.53.24.x with
> "route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0 10.53.24.3", I CANNOT remote
> desktop, ping, etc WXP.
>
> 3. PUBLIC INT CONNECT TO INET: ENABLE NAT ON THIS INTERFACE and ENABLE
> BASIC FW... WXP CAN surf the web (as expected). From a workstation on
> 10.53.24.x with "route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0 10.53.24.3", I
> CANNOT remote desktop, ping, etc WXP.
>
> #3 above DOES NOT make sense to me. Wouldn't #3 be a combo of #1 and
> #2???
>
> What I want is to be able to have ALL traffic open going both ways:
> 10.53.24.x to 192.168.0.0 and vice versa. And also, enable 192.168.0.0
> workstations to be able to surf the net.


 
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Bill Grant
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      12-05-2006, 11:37 PM
They can't get to the Internet because the Cisco doesn't know where they
are. That is why I suggested adding the static route to the Cisco rather
than to the individual machines. The Cisco must also know that it has to
reach the new subnet via the internal router.

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) ups.com...
> I've enabled just "LAN Routing" on 10.53.24.3. I can RDC, ping, etc
> from a 10.53.24.x workstation to 192.168.2.1 workstation (after adding
> a 192.168.x.x route manually on the 10.53.24.x workstation)
>
> However, the 192.168.2.1 workstation can't surf the internet, access
> 10.53.24.x workstations, etc.
>
> What's next step?
>
> Bill Grant wrote:
>> As Bob said, you can't use NAT on the Windows router. NAT is a one-way
>> address translation setup. You cannot access machines on the "private"
>> side
>> from the "public" side. What you need to do is use normal IP routing, not
>> NAT, and let the Cisco router do NAT for both subnets.
>>
>> Without NAT you will need extra routing to get traffic from the
>> 10.52.24
>> subnet to the 192.168 machines. Rather than putting a route on each
>> machine, you can add it to the Cisco router.
>>
>> Internet
>> |
>> public IP
>> Cisco Router (static route 192.168.0.0 255.255.0.0 10.53.24.3)
>> 10.53.24.1
>> |
>> 10.53.24.x dg 10.53.24.1
>> |
>> 10.53.24.3 dg 10.53.24.1
>> RRAS
>> 192.168.1.1 dg blank
>> |
>> 192.168.x.y dg 192.168.1.1
>>
>>
>> "Robert L [MVP - Networking]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> 1. What is this (192.168.2.1-192.168.2.254, 255.255.0.0) for?
>> 2. If you wan "to have ALL traffic open going both ways: 10.53.24.x to
>> 192.168.0.0 and vice versa, you don't need to enable NAT/firewall, you
>> just
>> need to enable LAN routing only.
>>
>> Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
>> Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
>> http://www.ChicagoTech.net
>> How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
>> http://www.HowToNetworking.com
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed) ups.com...
>> ISP
>> |
>> (Ext IP)
>> Cisco Router
>> (10.53.24.1)
>> |
>> Cisco switch (10.53.24.0/24)
>> |
>> (10.53.24.3)
>> W2K3
>> (192.168.1.1)
>> |
>> Cisco switch (192.168.0.0/16)
>> |
>> (192.168.2.1)
>> WXP
>>
>> W2K3 has DHCP configured, dishing out IP address
>> (192.168.2.1-192.168.2.254, 255.255.0.0), GW (192.168.1.1), and DNS
>> (10.53.24.5) on the 192.168.1.1 interface. It also has Routing and RA.
>>
>> In Routing and RA mgmt console: Routing and RA > W2K3 > IP ROUTING >
>> NAT/BASIC FW
>>
>> Properties of 192.168.1.1 int NIC of W2K3: pvt int connected to pvt
>> network.
>>
>> Properties of 10.53.24.3 ext NIC of W2K3: 3 diff things I tried:
>>
>> 1. BASIC FW ONLY... WXP CANNOT surf the web (as expected). From a
>> workstation on 10.53.24.x with "route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0
>> 10.53.24.3", I CAN remote desktop, ping, etc WXP.
>>
>> 2. PUBLIC INT CONNECT TO INET: ENABLE NAT ON THIS INTERFACE... WXP
>> CAN surf the web (as expected). From a workstation on 10.53.24.x with
>> "route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0 10.53.24.3", I CANNOT remote
>> desktop, ping, etc WXP.
>>
>> 3. PUBLIC INT CONNECT TO INET: ENABLE NAT ON THIS INTERFACE and ENABLE
>> BASIC FW... WXP CAN surf the web (as expected). From a workstation on
>> 10.53.24.x with "route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.0.0 10.53.24.3", I
>> CANNOT remote desktop, ping, etc WXP.
>>
>> #3 above DOES NOT make sense to me. Wouldn't #3 be a combo of #1 and
>> #2???
>>
>> What I want is to be able to have ALL traffic open going both ways:
>> 10.53.24.x to 192.168.0.0 and vice versa. And also, enable 192.168.0.0
>> workstations to be able to surf the net.

>



 
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