Router connects to Internet all on its own

My Vigor 260Gi ISDN/ADSL router connects to the internet without me ever
doing anything on the PC. Can this be correct?

I will only have to accidentally leave it on a few times and my 80 hours
allowance will have gone.

On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 08:57:10 -0000, TA wrote:

> My Vigor 260Gi ISDN/ADSL router connects to the internet without me ever
> doing anything on the PC. Can this be correct?
>
> I will only have to accidentally leave it on a few times and my 80 hours
> allowance will have gone.

That's what your router is supposed to do, ADSL is an 'always-on'
connection. What 80 hours allowance are you talking about?

Regards

Bill

"TA" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> My Vigor 260Gi ISDN/ADSL router connects to the internet without me ever
> doing anything on the PC. Can this be correct?
>
> I will only have to accidentally leave it on a few times and my 80 hours
> allowance will have gone.

But that's how a router is *supposed* to work. ADSL (unlike dial-up or ISDN)
is "always on": you have a permanent connection between the router and your
ISP. If you had a USB ADSL modem (which is suitable for a maximum of one
PC), you'd connect as and when you needed it, using a dial-up connection as
if you were using a 56K modem, but the big advantage of a router is that the
connection is always there and doesn't need to be established as and when
you need it.

I've never heard of an ISP imposing connection-time limits in ADSL (it's a
slightly ludicrous concept, given that ADSL is always on). Usually they
impose bandwidth limits - ie the maximum amount of data that you are allowed
to download each month.

> My Vigor 260Gi ISDN/ADSL router connects to the internet without me ever
> doing anything on the PC. Can this be correct?
>
> I will only have to accidentally leave it on a few times and my 80 hours
> allowance will have gone.



Judging from the email address you are with 4Dinternet
I have looked in their T&C

http://www.4dinternet.co.uk/terms.asp

and found this which I suppose is what you are talking about

1) ALL 64K SERVICES WILL BE RESTRICTED TO 160 HOURS PER MONTH.
2) ALL 'LITE' SERVICES WILL BE RESTRICTED TO 80 HOURS PER MONTH.
3) ALL BUSINESS SERVICES WILL BE RESTRICTED TO 200 HOURS PER MONTH.

However AFAICS none of their ADSL offerings are described as 'Light'
Only "4D SurfAccess Lite" gets that title which is dialup.

AFAIK there is no time cap on any UK ADSL product so stop worrying.


The only thing that is a bit unclear is how do they reconcile the 200 hrs
per month for business services with their three "ADSL at Work" services. I
suspect even these don't qualify for the restriction, and the wording is
intended to restrict ISDN connection times.


--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

"Martin Underwood" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "TA" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:75009$41b2cd67$53f505c5$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> My Vigor 260Gi ISDN/ADSL router connects to the internet without me ever
>> doing anything on the PC. Can this be correct?
>>
>> I will only have to accidentally leave it on a few times and my 80 hours
>> allowance will have gone.
>
> But that's how a router is *supposed* to work. ADSL (unlike dial-up or
> ISDN) is "always on": you have a permanent connection between the router
> and your ISP. If you had a USB ADSL modem (which is suitable for a maximum
> of one PC), you'd connect as and when you needed it, using a dial-up
> connection as if you were using a 56K modem, but the big advantage of a
> router is that the connection is always there and doesn't need to be
> established as and when you need it.
>
> I've never heard of an ISP imposing connection-time limits in ADSL (it's a
> slightly ludicrous concept, given that ADSL is always on). Usually they
> impose bandwidth limits - ie the maximum amount of data that you are
> allowed to download each month.


I'm not on ADSL I'm on ISDN
>
>

If you are on IDSN you don't have a router as such, but that doesn't really
matter in this case. Is the PC on at the time is dials up?? If so I suspect
you have a programme on your machine requesting internet access. This could
be legit, or it could be something like a 'rouge dialer'.

"TA" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Martin Underwood" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> "TA" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:75009$41b2cd67$53f505c5$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> My Vigor 260Gi ISDN/ADSL router connects to the internet without me ever
>>> doing anything on the PC. Can this be correct?
>>>
>>> I will only have to accidentally leave it on a few times and my 80 hours
>>> allowance will have gone.
>>
>> But that's how a router is *supposed* to work. ADSL (unlike dial-up or
>> ISDN) is "always on": you have a permanent connection between the router
>> and your ISP. If you had a USB ADSL modem (which is suitable for a
>> maximum of one PC), you'd connect as and when you needed it, using a
>> dial-up connection as if you were using a 56K modem, but the big
>> advantage of a router is that the connection is always there and doesn't
>> need to be established as and when you need it.
>>
>> I've never heard of an ISP imposing connection-time limits in ADSL (it's
>> a slightly ludicrous concept, given that ADSL is always on). Usually they
>> impose bandwidth limits - ie the maximum amount of data that you are
>> allowed to download each month.
>
>
> I'm not on ADSL I'm on ISDN

Aha! Groan. You should have made that clear. In this case you've just got a
pure-and-simple modem, not a router.

In this case, yes, it should not be permanently connected and you may have a
limit imposed on the amount of time that you can be connected per month.

Check for malware (eg using AdAware, www.lavasoft.de) that may be dialling
up when you're not expecting it. Set the "Connect automatically" attribute
for the dialler to "no" (ie, prompt for user name and password) so that even
if something is triggering the dialler itself, it will not actually connect
unless you press "OK".

TA wrote:

> My Vigor 260Gi ISDN/ADSL router connects to the internet without me ever
> doing anything on the PC. Can this be correct?

From later posts: you are using ISDN, not ADSL.

This was a very common problem before ADSL, with both ISDN and
straightforward dialup equipment (I used a router with a serial port
connected to an ordinary modem using a telephone line; Zyxel Prestige
100WH I think). Basically, this setup by design connects to the Internet
automatically whenever any machine on the network tries to access an
external address, and drops the line after a specified period without
Internet traffic; with ISDN this gives virtual always-on connection
without running up phone bills (or, with a Freefone number, without
using up your allowance).

However, things go on in a network which request Internet access for no
reason worth a phone call. You find out what they are and block the
associated ports. Unfortunately I don't remember the details, which are
all-important. But you should be able to find out with a bit of
judicious googling. Maybe try WOWN (Google for it).

Best wishes,
--
Michael Salem

The Draytek Vigor 2600Gi is indeed a router (a very good one) which supports
both dsl and has a built in ISDN modem to be used as a stand-alone ISDN
router - or a ADSL Router or a combination of both, ex.. you ca use the ISDN
connection as a backup for the ADSL if it goes down - In your ISDN
Connection setup on the router try changing the timeout settings - also make
sure your DSL connection is disabled as the router may be thinking your DSL
is down (even if you don't have DSL) and trying to automatically reinstate
you via ISDN (that is the reason may companies use the Router.

Bill M.
"Michael Salem" <a$-b$(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> TA wrote:
>
>> My Vigor 260Gi ISDN/ADSL router connects to the internet without me ever
>> doing anything on the PC. Can this be correct?
>
> From later posts: you are using ISDN, not ADSL.
>
> This was a very common problem before ADSL, with both ISDN and
> straightforward dialup equipment (I used a router with a serial port
> connected to an ordinary modem using a telephone line; Zyxel Prestige
> 100WH I think). Basically, this setup by design connects to the Internet
> automatically whenever any machine on the network tries to access an
> external address, and drops the line after a specified period without
> Internet traffic; with ISDN this gives virtual always-on connection
> without running up phone bills (or, with a Freefone number, without
> using up your allowance).
>
> However, things go on in a network which request Internet access for no
> reason worth a phone call. You find out what they are and block the
> associated ports. Unfortunately I don't remember the details, which are
> all-important. But you should be able to find out with a bit of
> judicious googling. Maybe try WOWN (Google for it).
>
> Best wishes,
> --
> Michael Salem
>
>

fyi. http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/vigor2600g.html

Bill M.
"Bill Middleton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> The Draytek Vigor 2600Gi is indeed a router (a very good one) which
> supports both dsl and has a built in ISDN modem to be used as a
> stand-alone ISDN router - or a ADSL Router or a combination of both, ex..
> you ca use the ISDN connection as a backup for the ADSL if it goes down -
> In your ISDN Connection setup on the router try changing the timeout
> settings - also make sure your DSL connection is disabled as the router
> may be thinking your DSL is down (even if you don't have DSL) and trying
> to automatically reinstate you via ISDN (that is the reason may companies
> use the Router.
>
> Bill M.
> "Michael Salem" <a$-b$(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) T...
>> TA wrote:
>>
>>> My Vigor 260Gi ISDN/ADSL router connects to the internet without me ever
>>> doing anything on the PC. Can this be correct?
>>
>> From later posts: you are using ISDN, not ADSL.
>>
>> This was a very common problem before ADSL, with both ISDN and
>> straightforward dialup equipment (I used a router with a serial port
>> connected to an ordinary modem using a telephone line; Zyxel Prestige
>> 100WH I think). Basically, this setup by design connects to the Internet
>> automatically whenever any machine on the network tries to access an
>> external address, and drops the line after a specified period without
>> Internet traffic; with ISDN this gives virtual always-on connection
>> without running up phone bills (or, with a Freefone number, without
>> using up your allowance).
>>
>> However, things go on in a network which request Internet access for no
>> reason worth a phone call. You find out what they are and block the
>> associated ports. Unfortunately I don't remember the details, which are
>> all-important. But you should be able to find out with a bit of
>> judicious googling. Maybe try WOWN (Google for it).
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> --
>> Michael Salem
>>
>>
>
>
>