RFD: uk.telecom.broadband.rural

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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the following changes
in the uk.* Usenet hierarchy:

create unmoderated newsgroup uk.telecom.broadband.rural

Newsgroup lines:
uk.telecom.broadband.rural Rural broadband Internet providers



*** ALL DISCUSSION MUST TAKE PLACE IN UK.NET.NEWS.CONFIG ***
*** CROSSPOSTED TO UK.TELECOM.BROADBAND ***

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RATIONALE: uk.telecom.broadband.rural

While a significant number of people in the UK are able to take
advantage of high speed and cost effective Internet access using such
technology as cable or ADSL, there are a number of people who live in
predominately rural areas who do not have provisioning for such
technology. The aim of this newsgroup is to discuss both ways in which
such forms of Internet access can be provisioned, and to discuss the
merits of alternative Internet access methods such as satellite or
wireless access. While the newsgroup uk.telecom.broadband already
exists, the proponent does not feel that this group meets the needs of
people who do not currently have such Internet access at their
disposal.

CHARTER: uk.telecom.broadband.rural

This group is for the discussion of provisioning of ADSL/cable
services in rural areas or for the discussion of alternative
technology such as satelite or wireless Internet access.

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PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of
the process, any potential problems with the proposal should be raised
and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 10
days, starting from when this RFD is posted to uk.net.news.announce
(i.e. until January 18th) after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be
posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.
Alternatively, the proposal may proceed by the fast-track method. Please
do not attempt to vote until this happens.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the "Guidelines for Group Creation
within the UK Hierarchy" as published regularly in uk.net.news.announce.
Please refer to this document if you have any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
uk.net.news.announce
uk.net.news.config
uk.telecom.broadband

Proponent:
Andrew Hodgson <(E-Mail Removed)>

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"Andrew Hodgson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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Ok, expressing myself against this proposal, rural broadband technologies
are not very different from those used generally and we do a good job of
covering it here.

S. Althaf

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:03:41 +0000, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

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> create unmoderated newsgroup uk.telecom.broadband.rural

Just don't see the point.

Dave

And you were born knowing all about ms windows....??

"Andrew Hodgson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
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> create unmoderated newsgroup uk.telecom.broadband.rural
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> Newsgroup lines:
> uk.telecom.broadband.rural Rural broadband Internet providers
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I have set FU to uk.net.news.config only

I have to say that I don't really see the point of a new group in
uk.telecom.* hierarchy for this purpose at the current time.

As a side note, if you post anymore RFD's re: uk.telecom.broadband could you
copy in uk.telecom as well in the intial announcement please (and set FU's!)

Regards
Sunil

In <(E-Mail Removed)> Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> writes:

>Why not leave ADSL/cable provision in uk.telecom.broadband and
>consider a group specifically for alternative technology, perhaps in
>the uk.net.providers hierarchy, eg. uk.net.providers.wireless?

Because this group is to discuss the _technology_, not those who provide
it (several providers might well operate the same technology).

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In uk.net.news.config Andrew Hodgson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
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> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the following changes
> in the uk.* Usenet hierarchy:
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> create unmoderated newsgroup uk.telecom.broadband.rural
>
> Newsgroup lines:
> uk.telecom.broadband.rural Rural broadband Internet providers
>
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> *** ALL DISCUSSION MUST TAKE PLACE IN UK.NET.NEWS.CONFIG ***
> *** CROSSPOSTED TO UK.TELECOM.BROADBAND ***
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> This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
> Further procedural details are given below.

The group could also be useful in acting as a forum for those trying to
get together enouh people to meet 'trigger levels' required to get rural
exchanges broadband-enabled. So I think it's a good idea.

Certainly wouldn't oppose it, would not oppose FT, would probably vote
in favour, but wouldn't use the group as I don't live in a rural area
and already have broadband.

pete
--
(E-Mail Removed) "There's no room for enigmas in built-up areas."

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "Charles Lindsey"
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

> In <(E-Mail Removed)> Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> writes:
>
> >Why not leave ADSL/cable provision in uk.telecom.broadband and
> >consider a group specifically for alternative technology, perhaps in
> >the uk.net.providers hierarchy, eg. uk.net.providers.wireless?
>
> Because this group is to discuss the _technology_, not those who provide
> it (several providers might well operate the same technology).

I realise that several providers might operate the same technology.
That's why the last word in that group name was "wireless", which
implies that the net providers in question provide wireless access.

Perhaps you could tell me how rural technology is different to
technology for townies.

--
Mike Fleming

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:45:17 +0000, Mike Fleming
<{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "Charles Lindsey"
><(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>
>> In <(E-Mail Removed)> Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> writes:
>>
>> >Why not leave ADSL/cable provision in uk.telecom.broadband and
>> >consider a group specifically for alternative technology, perhaps in
>> >the uk.net.providers hierarchy, eg. uk.net.providers.wireless?
>>
>> Because this group is to discuss the _technology_, not those who provide
>> it (several providers might well operate the same technology).
>
>I realise that several providers might operate the same technology.
>That's why the last word in that group name was "wireless", which
>implies that the net providers in question provide wireless access.

....Which was why I originally proposed a similar group in the same
hierarchy.
>
>Perhaps you could tell me how rural technology is different to
>technology for townies.

Fair point, except for the fact I didn't think this type of technology
was used as widely in areas where ADSL/cable were available readily?

Andrew.
--
Andrew Hodgson in Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK.
My Email: use <andrew at hodgsonfamily dot org>.

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:58:02 +0000, Pete Fenelon <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>In uk.net.news.config Andrew Hodgson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>
>> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>>
>> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the following changes
>> in the uk.* Usenet hierarchy:
>>
>> create unmoderated newsgroup uk.telecom.broadband.rural
>>
>> Newsgroup lines:
>> uk.telecom.broadband.rural Rural broadband Internet providers
>>
>>
>>
>> *** ALL DISCUSSION MUST TAKE PLACE IN UK.NET.NEWS.CONFIG ***
>> *** CROSSPOSTED TO UK.TELECOM.BROADBAND ***
>>
>> This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
>> Further procedural details are given below.
>
>The group could also be useful in acting as a forum for those trying to
>get together enouh people to meet 'trigger levels' required to get rural
>exchanges broadband-enabled. So I think it's a good idea.

This was one of the ideas I had.

Andrew.
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Andrew Hodgson in Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK.
My Email: use <andrew at hodgsonfamily dot org>.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Andrew
Hodgson <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

> On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:45:17 +0000, Mike Fleming
> <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >I realise that several providers might operate the same technology.
> >That's why the last word in that group name was "wireless", which
> >implies that the net providers in question provide wireless access.
>
> ...Which was why I originally proposed a similar group in the same
> hierarchy.

Ah well...

> >Perhaps you could tell me how rural technology is different to
> >technology for townies.
>
> Fair point, except for the fact I didn't think this type of technology
> was used as widely in areas where ADSL/cable were available readily?

I live on the edge of Tamworth, a town of 100,000+ inhabitants, five
minutes walk from the fields but on a housing estate. The local
exchange has been ADSL-enabled for a while but, although it's about
3.5km away as the grumpy old man walks, it's rather further than that
as the BT cable runs (or possibly staggers). NTL cabled up the estate,
except that they ran the cable along the main estate road (which about
10 houses front onto) and didn't bother with the extra 100m runs down
into the cul-de-sacs where the other 40-odd houses are. So my only
broadband access is wireless.

--
Mike Fleming