Retiring WINS (finally)

I came into an organization where the culture was hesitant to retire WINS
(long after converting to AD). I've finally provided them enough assurance
that it's ok to let go of the security blanket.
For my purposes, does anyone have a basic, hi-level checklist of things to
validate in this process of retiring WINS?

Also, feel free to share any nuances that you experienced with this in the
past.

Thanks in advance.

Exchange 2000/2003
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/837391


"gscanga" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:8EA1AFA1-EDAC-49C2-A0EF-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I came into an organization where the culture was hesitant to retire WINS
> (long after converting to AD). I've finally provided them enough assurance
> that it's ok to let go of the security blanket.
> For my purposes, does anyone have a basic, hi-level checklist of things to
> validate in this process of retiring WINS?
>
> Also, feel free to share any nuances that you experienced with this in the
> past.
>
> Thanks in advance.

Thanks, neo-

We're running Exchange 2007 and I've used this link to allay any fears in
that area: http://www.mmmug.co.uk/forums/236/ShowThread.aspx#236

"neo [mvp outlook]" wrote:

> Exchange 2000/2003
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/837391
>
>

I guess you can just disable the WINS Service and see what happens. If
anything blows up just restart the Service.


--
Phillip Windell
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,
or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
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"gscanga" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news2272DCD-B42E-4AC8-8F0D-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thanks, neo-
>
> We're running Exchange 2007 and I've used this link to allay any fears in
> that area: http://www.mmmug.co.uk/forums/236/ShowThread.aspx#236
>
> "neo [mvp outlook]" wrote:
>
>> Exchange 2000/2003
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/837391
>>
>>

Thanks, Phillip,

That's about as simple plan as I had envisioned. Just wanted to see if
anyone else's experience yielded anything significant snafu's worth preparing
for.


"Phillip Windell" wrote:

> I guess you can just disable the WINS Service and see what happens. If
> anything blows up just restart the Service.
>
>
> --
> Phillip Windell
> www.wandtv.com
>
> The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,
> or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
> -----------------------------------------------------

FWIW, there is no real answer anyone can give because we really don't have a
clue about your environment and/or the applications you run. To give you an
idea, some applications (CA ArcServe, Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition,
..etc) will behave different, refuse to install, or require different steps
when it comes to central management/deployment.

"gscanga" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:B6E1755D-B64F-44C1-9FC2-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thanks, Phillip,
>
> That's about as simple plan as I had envisioned. Just wanted to see if
> anyone else's experience yielded anything significant snafu's worth
> preparing
> for.
>
>
> "Phillip Windell" wrote:
>
>> I guess you can just disable the WINS Service and see what happens. If
>> anything blows up just restart the Service.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Phillip Windell
>> www.wandtv.com
>>
>> The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or
>> Microsoft,
>> or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>

In news:B6E1755D-B64F-44C1-9FC2-(E-Mail Removed),
gscanga <(E-Mail Removed)> requesting assistance, typed the
following:
> Thanks, Phillip,
>
> That's about as simple plan as I had envisioned. Just wanted to see if
> anyone else's experience yielded anything significant snafu's worth
> preparing for.

Do you have multiple subnets or is this a single subnet environment?

How about apps that require NetBIOS resolution such as SQL, Veritas, and a
multitude of others?

Do users use the neighborhood to browse for files and printers?

How about Outlook? 2003 or 2007? Understanding Ex2007 may not need it itself
for core functionality, but for backward compatibility I believe Outlook
2003 clients still need it for MAPI calls as well as certain calendaring and
F/B functions, where this function has been updated in 2007 to the
availability service that runs on Ex2007, as well as reverting a server
enter to it's FQDN (whether MAPI or RPC/HTTPS) or using DirectSMB (port 445)
instead of NetBIOS, which is defacto anyway under Windows 2003 and newer.

Ex2000 & 2003, and Outlook 2003 reliance on NetBIOS
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-5820760.html

All I'm saying is be careful...

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Regards,
Ace

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confers no rights.

Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT,
MVP Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
Microsoft Certified Trainer

For urgent issues, you may want to contact Microsoft PSS directly.
Please check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone
numbers.

Infinite Diversities in Infinite Combinations

Yea SACE has problems with not pushing client installs out if it doesn't
have some functioning form of netbios name resolution in place. I think it
is that way up to version 10,..I don't know if version 11 is the same.
We use version 10 of SACE.
I run WINS,..everything on the LAN uses it,...I have no plans to ever remove
it.

--
Phillip Windell
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,
or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
-----------------------------------------------------

"neo [mvp outlook]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> FWIW, there is no real answer anyone can give because we really don't have
> a clue about your environment and/or the applications you run. To give
> you an idea, some applications (CA ArcServe, Symantec Antivirus Corporate
> Edition, .etc) will behave different, refuse to install, or require
> different steps when it comes to central management/deployment.
>
> "gscanga" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:B6E1755D-B64F-44C1-9FC2-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Thanks, Phillip,
>>
>> That's about as simple plan as I had envisioned. Just wanted to see if
>> anyone else's experience yielded anything significant snafu's worth
>> preparing
>> for.
>>
>>
>> "Phillip Windell" wrote:
>>
>>> I guess you can just disable the WINS Service and see what happens. If
>>> anything blows up just restart the Service.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Phillip Windell
>>> www.wandtv.com
>>>
>>> The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or
>>> Microsoft,
>>> or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>
>
>

One thing you seem to miss is that WINS is *not* required to have NetBIOS
name resolution.

We have a multiple subnet organization with AD and DNS, no WINS whatsoever
and still we can resolve the NetBIOS name of any computer on any subnet from
anywhere.

The servers are W2K3 and the workstations are XP/Vista.

ThePro

"Phillip Windell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Yea SACE has problems with not pushing client installs out if it doesn't
> have some functioning form of netbios name resolution in place. I think it
> is that way up to version 10,..I don't know if version 11 is the same.
> We use version 10 of SACE.
> I run WINS,..everything on the LAN uses it,...I have no plans to ever
> remove it.
>
> --
> Phillip Windell
> www.wandtv.com
>
> The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or
> Microsoft,
> or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> "neo [mvp outlook]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> FWIW, there is no real answer anyone can give because we really don't
>> have a clue about your environment and/or the applications you run. To
>> give you an idea, some applications (CA ArcServe, Symantec Antivirus
>> Corporate Edition, .etc) will behave different, refuse to install, or
>> require different steps when it comes to central management/deployment.
>>
>> "gscanga" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:B6E1755D-B64F-44C1-9FC2-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Thanks, Phillip,
>>>
>>> That's about as simple plan as I had envisioned. Just wanted to see if
>>> anyone else's experience yielded anything significant snafu's worth
>>> preparing
>>> for.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Phillip Windell" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess you can just disable the WINS Service and see what happens. If
>>>> anything blows up just restart the Service.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Phillip Windell
>>>> www.wandtv.com
>>>>
>>>> The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or
>>>> Microsoft,
>>>> or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"ThePro" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:30FB446A-35B1-434E-B814-(E-Mail Removed)...
> One thing you seem to miss is that WINS is *not* required to have NetBIOS
> name resolution.

I said Symantec AV Corp Ed has problems without WINS when in multiple
subnets,...we use it,...and it does.
I said I am using WINS and don't intend to stop,...and that is true.
I didn't really make any claims beyond that, so I don't think I missed
anything.

> We have a multiple subnet organization with AD and DNS, no WINS whatsoever
> and still we can resolve the NetBIOS name of any computer on any subnet
> from anywhere.

So MS invented WINS for nothing? MS wrote this article for nothing?
Exchange 2000/2003
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/837391

It is probably resolving over DNS by automatically appending the DNS
Suffix,...so that isn't actually Netbios. If all your Applications will
honor that and make use of it, great. But it doesn't mean it will work as
well with everything.

--
Phillip Windell
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,
or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
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