Removing the bellwire

I have just removed the bellwire from pin 3 on my extension wiring to see if
it would have any effect in the sync speed of my broadband. Although it is
well ducumented that this wire is not needed in a modern system with modern
phones (all my phones are fairly modern BT units with caller display
etc).... I now note that no phones will now ring on the extension when I
get an incoming call. Further investigation shows that (if I am correct) we
have a master socket as the extension socket (large capacitor inside). Is
this why the phones are not ringing on the extension?

Thanks
Steve Fisher

Steve wrote:
> I have just removed the bellwire from pin 3 on my extension wiring to see if
> it would have any effect in the sync speed of my broadband. Although it is
> well ducumented that this wire is not needed in a modern system with modern
> phones (all my phones are fairly modern BT units with caller display
> etc).... I now note that no phones will now ring on the extension when I
> get an incoming call. Further investigation shows that (if I am correct) we
> have a master socket as the extension socket (large capacitor inside). Is
> this why the phones are not ringing on the extension?
>
> Thanks
> Steve Fisher
>
>
Yup. Its a myth that modern phines dont need the bellwire. Many do.

You can add masters at the extensions to regenerate it, but this breaks
BT's loading rules.

"The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> Yup. Its a myth that modern phines dont need the bellwire. Many do.
>
> You can add masters at the extensions to regenerate it, but this breaks
> BT's loading rules.

I think the bellwire removal speed increase is another myth too. No
improvement here )
Bellwire reinstated.

Steve wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> >
>> Yup. Its a myth that modern phines dont need the bellwire. Many do.
>>
>> You can add masters at the extensions to regenerate it, but this breaks
>> BT's loading rules.
>
> I think the bellwire removal speed increase is another myth too. No
> improvement here )
> Bellwire reinstated.
>
>
>
yep. Obviously in there is a lot of RF noise in the house, its a tad
more likely to pick it up.

Down at the end of a mile of over and under copper from the exchange, RF
inside the house is the least of my problems..

On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:02:24 -0000, "Steve" <6769866767@789590970.46>
wrote:

>
>"The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed). ..
>
> >
>> Yup. Its a myth that modern phines dont need the bellwire. Many do.
>>
>> You can add masters at the extensions to regenerate it, but this breaks
>> BT's loading rules.
>
>I think the bellwire removal speed increase is another myth too. No
>improvement here )
>Bellwire reinstated.
>
>

It didn't improve the speed here either but it did stop the occasional
DSL connection break when the bell rang.

Steve

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Kráftéé wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>>> Yup. Its a myth that modern phines dont need the bellwire. Many do.
>>>
>>> You can add masters at the extensions to regenerate it, but this
>>> breaks BT's loading rules.
>> I think the bellwire removal speed increase is another myth too. No
>> improvement here )
>> Bellwire reinstated.
>
> If the extension don't ring when the bellwie is removed??? You do
> have plugin filters on them all don't you....
>
>
And what the fuck difference will a broadband filter nmake when talking
about not having a ring signal on the bell connection?

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:58:57 +0000, The Natural Philosopher faxed us
with....

> Kráftéé wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>>> Yup. Its a myth that modern phines dont need the bellwire. Many do.
>>>>
>>>> You can add masters at the extensions to regenerate it, but this
>>>> breaks BT's loading rules.
>>> I think the bellwire removal speed increase is another myth too. No
>>> improvement here )
>>> Bellwire reinstated.
>>
>> If the extension don't ring when the bellwie is removed??? You do have
>> plugin filters on them all don't you....
>>
>>
> And what the fuck difference will a broadband filter nmake when talking
> about not having a ring signal on the bell connection?

I think he's getting his knickers in a twist and all confused.


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In message <(E-Mail Removed)>, The Natural
Philosopher <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>yep. Obviously in there is a lot of RF noise in the house, its a tad
>more likely to pick it up.
>
>Down at the end of a mile of over and under copper from the exchange,
>RF inside the house is the least of my problems..

The BT wires will be twisted pairs. The extensions in the house may be
of a lesser quality cable with no twisted pairs. It may be alarm wire or
something else. One of the extension kits I once purchased had very thin
ribbon cable.

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On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:03:22 +0000, Alan faxed us with....

> In message <4985a26a$0$11925$(E-Mail Removed)>, Blah Blah Blah
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>>On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:58:57 +0000, The Natural Philosopher faxed us
>>with....
>>
>>> Kráftéé wrote:
>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup. Its a myth that modern phines dont need the bellwire. Many do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can add masters at the extensions to regenerate it, but this
>>>>>> breaks BT's loading rules.
>>>>> I think the bellwire removal speed increase is another myth too. No
>>>>> improvement here )
>>>>> Bellwire reinstated.
>>>>
>>>> If the extension don't ring when the bellwie is removed??? You do
>>>> have plugin filters on them all don't you....
>>>>
>>>>
>>> And what the fuck difference will a broadband filter nmake when
>>> talking about not having a ring signal on the bell connection?
>>
>>I think he's getting his knickers in a twist and all confused.
>>
>>
> The filter will have the replacement ring capacitor circuit although
> some of the very cheap ones may be incorrectly wired.
>
> Take a look at the last two circuits at
> http://www.adslnation.com/support/filters.php i.e. two wires back to 3
> in the filter.

Can you point me to where it says a filter has to provide a ring signal?
Nowithstanding many do, AFAIR it's not actually a requirement. Most
modern phones don't need the bell wire, it's really a legacy thing -
pretty much like the PSTN itself.




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In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed) says...

> And what the fuck difference will a broadband filter nmake when talking
> about not having a ring signal on the bell connection?
>

In any plug-in filter, the broadband filter circuit is between the
incoming plug and the output PHONE socket. There is NOTHING on the ADSL
socket side - the signal pair is connected straight-through. The output
side of this filter, before the phone socket, has a ring capacitor,
typically.

There is NO connection between the incoming socket's ring wire and
either the phone or ADSL socket's ring connection.

Disconnecting the ring wire at the master socket will break the signal
path for any interference picked up on the home wiring ring wire. This
could have been coupled back to one side of the signal pair via the ring
capacitor.

If any phones don't ring after the disconnection then, assuming you're
not using the preferred faceplate filter in the master socket, you have
forgotton the need for the plug-in PHONE filter, misleadingly called an
ADSL filter, which removes the ADSL signal from the phones...
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