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Chris
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      03-22-2007, 04:09 PM
I am trying to 'see' a network within my network places. My local network is
on one domain, and the remote network is on another domain (i.e. a different
company).
I have a local network on one IP range (10.x.x.x) and a remote network on a
different range 192.x.x.x. I have a VPN setup so each network can talk
directly to each other.
On the remote network the server I am trying to access is a SBS2003 with
ISA2004. However, routing paths have been put in place so tha traffic to the
10.x.x.x range is routed directly through the VPN unit, and not ISA2004.
Likewise for the local network. The local server has a routing path to route
all traffic to the 192.x.x.x range through the VPN, and not the company
firewall.
There are other networks visible in my network places but not the one I need
here.
What can I try to make the remote ntwork visible / available?

Thanks

Chris
 
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      03-22-2007, 09:57 PM
The display you see in My Network Places is built by the computer browser
service. This is a legacy NT app which uses broadcasts and Netbios names. It
usually fails in routed networks and WANs because the routers/WAN links
block broadcasts.

To see a remote network in the list, the remote network would need to be
using the same WINS server as your LAN, or the two WINS servers would need
to replicate. Only WINS allows the browser service to operate across
routers/WAN links. It enables the master browsers to find each other and
build a network-wide browse list.

Note that WINS does not build the browse list (as some believe). WINS
allows the browsers to operate by enabling them to resolve browser names to
IP addresses and contact other browsers directly across routers/WAN links.

"Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:A845ED53-157E-4DE1-86F1-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I am trying to 'see' a network within my network places. My local network
>is
> on one domain, and the remote network is on another domain (i.e. a
> different
> company).
> I have a local network on one IP range (10.x.x.x) and a remote network on
> a
> different range 192.x.x.x. I have a VPN setup so each network can talk
> directly to each other.
> On the remote network the server I am trying to access is a SBS2003 with
> ISA2004. However, routing paths have been put in place so tha traffic to
> the
> 10.x.x.x range is routed directly through the VPN unit, and not ISA2004.
> Likewise for the local network. The local server has a routing path to
> route
> all traffic to the 192.x.x.x range through the VPN, and not the company
> firewall.
> There are other networks visible in my network places but not the one I
> need
> here.
> What can I try to make the remote ntwork visible / available?
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris



 
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      03-23-2007, 07:46 AM
I realised the VPN end-points didnt have NETBIOS broadcast enabled in their
config. As soon as I enabled this the remote network appeared. However, When
I double-click the remote network within My Network Places / Microsoft
Windows Network it comes up with:

'domain' is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
network resource.....'

I guess it's due to the fact that my local network (domain) doesn't have
cross-forest trust with the remote network. Or am I barking up the wrong tree
here? Any more help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Chris

"Bill Grant" wrote:

> The display you see in My Network Places is built by the computer browser
> service. This is a legacy NT app which uses broadcasts and Netbios names. It
> usually fails in routed networks and WANs because the routers/WAN links
> block broadcasts.
>
> To see a remote network in the list, the remote network would need to be
> using the same WINS server as your LAN, or the two WINS servers would need
> to replicate. Only WINS allows the browser service to operate across
> routers/WAN links. It enables the master browsers to find each other and
> build a network-wide browse list.
>
> Note that WINS does not build the browse list (as some believe). WINS
> allows the browsers to operate by enabling them to resolve browser names to
> IP addresses and contact other browsers directly across routers/WAN links.
>
> "Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:A845ED53-157E-4DE1-86F1-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I am trying to 'see' a network within my network places. My local network
> >is
> > on one domain, and the remote network is on another domain (i.e. a
> > different
> > company).
> > I have a local network on one IP range (10.x.x.x) and a remote network on
> > a
> > different range 192.x.x.x. I have a VPN setup so each network can talk
> > directly to each other.
> > On the remote network the server I am trying to access is a SBS2003 with
> > ISA2004. However, routing paths have been put in place so tha traffic to
> > the
> > 10.x.x.x range is routed directly through the VPN unit, and not ISA2004.
> > Likewise for the local network. The local server has a routing path to
> > route
> > all traffic to the 192.x.x.x range through the VPN, and not the company
> > firewall.
> > There are other networks visible in my network places but not the one I
> > need
> > here.
> > What can I try to make the remote ntwork visible / available?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Chris

>
>
>

 
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      03-23-2007, 07:52 AM
That is correct. You cannot access resources in another domain without
domain trusts.

"Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:3F300010-B179-4436-A04D-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I realised the VPN end-points didnt have NETBIOS broadcast enabled in their
> config. As soon as I enabled this the remote network appeared. However,
> When
> I double-click the remote network within My Network Places / Microsoft
> Windows Network it comes up with:
>
> 'domain' is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
> network resource.....'
>
> I guess it's due to the fact that my local network (domain) doesn't have
> cross-forest trust with the remote network. Or am I barking up the wrong
> tree
> here? Any more help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
> "Bill Grant" wrote:
>
>> The display you see in My Network Places is built by the computer
>> browser
>> service. This is a legacy NT app which uses broadcasts and Netbios names.
>> It
>> usually fails in routed networks and WANs because the routers/WAN links
>> block broadcasts.
>>
>> To see a remote network in the list, the remote network would need to
>> be
>> using the same WINS server as your LAN, or the two WINS servers would
>> need
>> to replicate. Only WINS allows the browser service to operate across
>> routers/WAN links. It enables the master browsers to find each other and
>> build a network-wide browse list.
>>
>> Note that WINS does not build the browse list (as some believe). WINS
>> allows the browsers to operate by enabling them to resolve browser names
>> to
>> IP addresses and contact other browsers directly across routers/WAN
>> links.
>>
>> "Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:A845ED53-157E-4DE1-86F1-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >I am trying to 'see' a network within my network places. My local
>> >network
>> >is
>> > on one domain, and the remote network is on another domain (i.e. a
>> > different
>> > company).
>> > I have a local network on one IP range (10.x.x.x) and a remote network
>> > on
>> > a
>> > different range 192.x.x.x. I have a VPN setup so each network can talk
>> > directly to each other.
>> > On the remote network the server I am trying to access is a SBS2003
>> > with
>> > ISA2004. However, routing paths have been put in place so tha traffic
>> > to
>> > the
>> > 10.x.x.x range is routed directly through the VPN unit, and not
>> > ISA2004.
>> > Likewise for the local network. The local server has a routing path to
>> > route
>> > all traffic to the 192.x.x.x range through the VPN, and not the company
>> > firewall.
>> > There are other networks visible in my network places but not the one I
>> > need
>> > here.
>> > What can I try to make the remote ntwork visible / available?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Chris

>>
>>
>>



 
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      03-23-2007, 02:38 PM
Thanks Bill,

Now the strange thing is...the PDC of our local domain will access this
remote network fine, and displays all the PCs + Servers on the remote
network. Any other server2003 server (including the BDC, which we having the
trouble with and need to access the remote network) will not connect. It
shows the domain, but says 'cannot access...' as per my earlier message.

Any XP PC on the local network can also access the remote network. The
remote network can now access our local network as well through netork places
and see all the PCs. It's literally all the server 2003 server on our local
network, except the PDC.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Chris


"Bill Grant" wrote:

> That is correct. You cannot access resources in another domain without
> domain trusts.
>
> "Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:3F300010-B179-4436-A04D-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I realised the VPN end-points didnt have NETBIOS broadcast enabled in their
> > config. As soon as I enabled this the remote network appeared. However,
> > When
> > I double-click the remote network within My Network Places / Microsoft
> > Windows Network it comes up with:
> >
> > 'domain' is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
> > network resource.....'
> >
> > I guess it's due to the fact that my local network (domain) doesn't have
> > cross-forest trust with the remote network. Or am I barking up the wrong
> > tree
> > here? Any more help will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > "Bill Grant" wrote:
> >
> >> The display you see in My Network Places is built by the computer
> >> browser
> >> service. This is a legacy NT app which uses broadcasts and Netbios names.
> >> It
> >> usually fails in routed networks and WANs because the routers/WAN links
> >> block broadcasts.
> >>
> >> To see a remote network in the list, the remote network would need to
> >> be
> >> using the same WINS server as your LAN, or the two WINS servers would
> >> need
> >> to replicate. Only WINS allows the browser service to operate across
> >> routers/WAN links. It enables the master browsers to find each other and
> >> build a network-wide browse list.
> >>
> >> Note that WINS does not build the browse list (as some believe). WINS
> >> allows the browsers to operate by enabling them to resolve browser names
> >> to
> >> IP addresses and contact other browsers directly across routers/WAN
> >> links.
> >>
> >> "Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:A845ED53-157E-4DE1-86F1-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >I am trying to 'see' a network within my network places. My local
> >> >network
> >> >is
> >> > on one domain, and the remote network is on another domain (i.e. a
> >> > different
> >> > company).
> >> > I have a local network on one IP range (10.x.x.x) and a remote network
> >> > on
> >> > a
> >> > different range 192.x.x.x. I have a VPN setup so each network can talk
> >> > directly to each other.
> >> > On the remote network the server I am trying to access is a SBS2003
> >> > with
> >> > ISA2004. However, routing paths have been put in place so tha traffic
> >> > to
> >> > the
> >> > 10.x.x.x range is routed directly through the VPN unit, and not
> >> > ISA2004.
> >> > Likewise for the local network. The local server has a routing path to
> >> > route
> >> > all traffic to the 192.x.x.x range through the VPN, and not the company
> >> > firewall.
> >> > There are other networks visible in my network places but not the one I
> >> > need
> >> > here.
> >> > What can I try to make the remote ntwork visible / available?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>
>

 
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      03-28-2007, 01:17 AM
Any update on this issue, please?

Thanks

Chris

"Chris" wrote:

> Thanks Bill,
>
> Now the strange thing is...the PDC of our local domain will access this
> remote network fine, and displays all the PCs + Servers on the remote
> network. Any other server2003 server (including the BDC, which we having the
> trouble with and need to access the remote network) will not connect. It
> shows the domain, but says 'cannot access...' as per my earlier message.
>
> Any XP PC on the local network can also access the remote network. The
> remote network can now access our local network as well through netork places
> and see all the PCs. It's literally all the server 2003 server on our local
> network, except the PDC.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
>
> "Bill Grant" wrote:
>
> > That is correct. You cannot access resources in another domain without
> > domain trusts.
> >
> > "Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:3F300010-B179-4436-A04D-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >I realised the VPN end-points didnt have NETBIOS broadcast enabled in their
> > > config. As soon as I enabled this the remote network appeared. However,
> > > When
> > > I double-click the remote network within My Network Places / Microsoft
> > > Windows Network it comes up with:
> > >
> > > 'domain' is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
> > > network resource.....'
> > >
> > > I guess it's due to the fact that my local network (domain) doesn't have
> > > cross-forest trust with the remote network. Or am I barking up the wrong
> > > tree
> > > here? Any more help will be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > "Bill Grant" wrote:
> > >
> > >> The display you see in My Network Places is built by the computer
> > >> browser
> > >> service. This is a legacy NT app which uses broadcasts and Netbios names.
> > >> It
> > >> usually fails in routed networks and WANs because the routers/WAN links
> > >> block broadcasts.
> > >>
> > >> To see a remote network in the list, the remote network would need to
> > >> be
> > >> using the same WINS server as your LAN, or the two WINS servers would
> > >> need
> > >> to replicate. Only WINS allows the browser service to operate across
> > >> routers/WAN links. It enables the master browsers to find each other and
> > >> build a network-wide browse list.
> > >>
> > >> Note that WINS does not build the browse list (as some believe). WINS
> > >> allows the browsers to operate by enabling them to resolve browser names
> > >> to
> > >> IP addresses and contact other browsers directly across routers/WAN
> > >> links.
> > >>
> > >> "Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > >> news:A845ED53-157E-4DE1-86F1-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >> >I am trying to 'see' a network within my network places. My local
> > >> >network
> > >> >is
> > >> > on one domain, and the remote network is on another domain (i.e. a
> > >> > different
> > >> > company).
> > >> > I have a local network on one IP range (10.x.x.x) and a remote network
> > >> > on
> > >> > a
> > >> > different range 192.x.x.x. I have a VPN setup so each network can talk
> > >> > directly to each other.
> > >> > On the remote network the server I am trying to access is a SBS2003
> > >> > with
> > >> > ISA2004. However, routing paths have been put in place so tha traffic
> > >> > to
> > >> > the
> > >> > 10.x.x.x range is routed directly through the VPN unit, and not
> > >> > ISA2004.
> > >> > Likewise for the local network. The local server has a routing path to
> > >> > route
> > >> > all traffic to the 192.x.x.x range through the VPN, and not the company
> > >> > firewall.
> > >> > There are other networks visible in my network places but not the one I
> > >> > need
> > >> > here.
> > >> > What can I try to make the remote ntwork visible / available?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks
> > >> >
> > >> > Chris
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>

> >
> >
> >

 
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