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Eric
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      03-04-2006, 01:42 AM
louise ((E-Mail Removed)) wrote in message news:
> I have everything else nailed down - SSID, MAC addresses
> limited etc. What is the real risk of just going with 128
> WEP? I'm not using file and printer sharing. My desktop
> (the only machine I'm really concerned about), is wired to
> the router.



All of those measures can be relaatively circumenvented, if someone cares enough to do so,

The key phrase being /if someone cares enough to do so/.

You know your neighbors, and how close proximity they are to you, more than we do

If you are going to lay awake at night in fear that someone is outside your house "hiding in the bushes" just to get free internet and read your email, turn down your WAP's power and do the VPN dance.


 
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      03-04-2006, 02:18 AM
In message <587Of.2184$(E-Mail Removed)>, "Eric"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
> louise ((E-Mail Removed)) wrote in message news:
> > I have everything else nailed down - SSID, MAC addresses
> > limited etc. What is the real risk of just going with 128
> > WEP? I'm not using file and printer sharing. My desktop
> > (the only machine I'm really concerned about), is wired to
> > the router.

>
>
> All of those measures can be relaatively circumenvented, if someone cares

enough to do so,
>
> The key phrase being /if someone cares enough to do so/.
>
> You know your neighbors, and how close proximity they are to you, more than

we do
>
> If you are going to lay awake at night in fear that someone is outside your

house "hiding in the bushes" just to get free internet and read your email,
turn down your WAP's power and do the VPN dance.
>


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Relatively easy, that is. (Using a handheld here.)

Apologies if I came across cynical. What I was attempting to imply is that
I believe in /most/ residential neighborhoods, you can take into account the
"human factor".

My property is large enough that I have to be in my far backyard to start
seeing very weak signals from my neighbors -- and I see them as completely
open SSID's such as "Default" and "Linksys". Given that they are, well,
clueless even locking themselves down, I doubt they would even know where
to begin trying to break someone else's 128-bit WEP.

 
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louise
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      03-04-2006, 05:23 AM
Eric wrote:
> In message <587Of.2184$(E-Mail Removed)>, "Eric"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>
>>louise ((E-Mail Removed)) wrote in message news:
>>
>>>I have everything else nailed down - SSID, MAC addresses
>>>limited etc. What is the real risk of just going with 128
>>>WEP? I'm not using file and printer sharing. My desktop
>>>(the only machine I'm really concerned about), is wired to
>>>the router.

>>
>>
>>All of those measures can be relaatively circumenvented, if someone cares

>
> enough to do so,
>
>>The key phrase being /if someone cares enough to do so/.
>>
>>You know your neighbors, and how close proximity they are to you, more than

>
> we do
>
>>If you are going to lay awake at night in fear that someone is outside your

>
> house "hiding in the bushes" just to get free internet and read your email,
> turn down your WAP's power and do the VPN dance.
>
>
> --
>
> Relatively easy, that is. (Using a handheld here.)
>
> Apologies if I came across cynical. What I was attempting to imply is that
> I believe in /most/ residential neighborhoods, you can take into account the
> "human factor".
>
> My property is large enough that I have to be in my far backyard to start
> seeing very weak signals from my neighbors -- and I see them as completely
> open SSID's such as "Default" and "Linksys". Given that they are, well,
> clueless even locking themselves down, I doubt they would even know where
> to begin trying to break someone else's 128-bit WEP.
>


Thanks to all for your comments and thoughts.

I'm in an apartment building in NYC. When I look at
"available networks", there are usually 4 or 5. However,
I've not been able to just use any of them and this suggests
to me that they are locked down to some degree. There is
one SSID called Linksys and all the rest have names.

I can get a half-way decent signal from two, but I can't
actually use the connection. It says the signal is "good"
or "low", but I can't access any web sites - the server
cannot be found. I wouldn't know how to begin to try to
"break in", so I don't know how securely they're locked down
but I think this does suggest they are somewhat protected.

I'm not going to lie awake worrying that someone will read
my email - I'm sure they'll get bored pretty quickly if they
do :-)

Is there any way I could track it so I could know if someone
were using my connection or poking around in my computer?
Aside, that is, from a major disaster.

Louise

 
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Duane Arnold
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      03-04-2006, 06:00 AM
louise wrote:
> Eric wrote:
>
>> In message <587Of.2184$(E-Mail Removed)>, "Eric"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> louise ((E-Mail Removed)) wrote in message news:
>>>
>>>> I have everything else nailed down - SSID, MAC addresses limited
>>>> etc. What is the real risk of just going with 128 WEP? I'm not
>>>> using file and printer sharing. My desktop (the only machine I'm
>>>> really concerned about), is wired to the router.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All of those measures can be relaatively circumenvented, if someone
>>> cares

>>
>>
>> enough to do so,
>>
>>> The key phrase being /if someone cares enough to do so/.
>>>
>>> You know your neighbors, and how close proximity they are to you,
>>> more than

>>
>>
>> we do
>>
>>> If you are going to lay awake at night in fear that someone is
>>> outside your

>>
>>
>> house "hiding in the bushes" just to get free internet and read your
>> email,
>> turn down your WAP's power and do the VPN dance.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Relatively easy, that is. (Using a handheld here.)
>>
>> Apologies if I came across cynical. What I was attempting to imply
>> is that
>> I believe in /most/ residential neighborhoods, you can take into
>> account the
>> "human factor".
>>
>> My property is large enough that I have to be in my far backyard to start
>> seeing very weak signals from my neighbors -- and I see them as
>> completely
>> open SSID's such as "Default" and "Linksys". Given that they are, well,
>> clueless even locking themselves down, I doubt they would even know where
>> to begin trying to break someone else's 128-bit WEP.
>>

>
> Thanks to all for your comments and thoughts.
>
> I'm in an apartment building in NYC. When I look at "available
> networks", there are usually 4 or 5. However, I've not been able to
> just use any of them and this suggests to me that they are locked down
> to some degree. There is one SSID called Linksys and all the rest have
> names.
>
> I can get a half-way decent signal from two, but I can't actually use
> the connection. It says the signal is "good" or "low", but I can't
> access any web sites - the server cannot be found. I wouldn't know how
> to begin to try to "break in", so I don't know how securely they're
> locked down but I think this does suggest they are somewhat protected.
>
> I'm not going to lie awake worrying that someone will read my email -
> I'm sure they'll get bored pretty quickly if they do :-)
>
> Is there any way I could track it so I could know if someone were using
> my connection or poking around in my computer? Aside, that is, from a
> major disaster.
>
> Louise
>

You're welcomed. <g>

Duane
 
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John Navas
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      03-04-2006, 04:01 PM
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In <CnaOf.6356$(E-Mail Removed)> on Sat, 04 Mar 2006 06:23:30
GMT, louise <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I'm not going to lie awake worrying that someone will read
>my email - I'm sure they'll get bored pretty quickly if they
>do :-)


How about intercepting your SSN, bank account number, credit card number and
security code, passwords, etc?

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      03-04-2006, 04:02 PM
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In <RF7Of.2188$(E-Mail Removed)> on Sat, 04 Mar 2006 03:18:09
GMT, "Eric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> If you are going to lay awake at night in fear that someone is outside your
>house "hiding in the bushes" just to get free internet and read your email,
>...


All it takes is one bored or alienated teenager. Read up on identity theft.

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      03-04-2006, 04:04 PM
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In <CnaOf.6356$(E-Mail Removed)> on Sat, 04 Mar 2006 06:23:30
GMT, louise <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Is there any way I could track it so I could know if someone
>were using my connection or poking around in my computer?
>...


Check your wireless router for logging capability, and scan your logs for MAC
addresses not your own.

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Dave Rudisill
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      03-04-2006, 08:21 PM
>John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

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>In <CnaOf.6356$(E-Mail Removed)> on Sat, 04 Mar 2006 06:23:30
>GMT, louise <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>I'm not going to lie awake worrying that someone will read
>>my email - I'm sure they'll get bored pretty quickly if they
>>do :-)

>
>How about intercepting your SSN, bank account number, credit card number and
>security code, passwords, etc?


Nobody with any sense sends any sensitive information via email.
Regardless of the security of wireless transmissions, you lose all
control of the contents of your email once you send it.

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      03-04-2006, 11:49 PM
John Navas wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.internet.wireless - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
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> In <RF7Of.2188$(E-Mail Removed)> on Sat, 04 Mar 2006 03:18:09
> GMT, "Eric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
>>If you are going to lay awake at night in fear that someone is outside your
>>house "hiding in the bushes" just to get free internet and read your email,
>>...

>
>
> All it takes is one bored or alienated teenager. Read up on identity theft.
>


OK - you've convinced me. I've checked out my daughter's
machine and it looks like it does support WPA, so I have to
purchase a new card for my portable.

I've always been very happy with Linksys and am tending to
go that way.

How about the Linksys WPC54GR

Or, other recommendations?

Thanks again.

Louise
 
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      03-06-2006, 07:46 AM
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In <(E-Mail Removed)> on Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:21:50
-0700, Dave Rudisill <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>>John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>>In <CnaOf.6356$(E-Mail Removed)> on Sat, 04 Mar 2006 06:23:30
>>GMT, louise <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm not going to lie awake worrying that someone will read
>>>my email - I'm sure they'll get bored pretty quickly if they
>>>do :-)

>>
>>How about intercepting your SSN, bank account number, credit card number and
>>security code, passwords, etc?

>
>Nobody with any sense sends any sensitive information via email.


That's not necessarily by email. Try again.

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