Re: Wizard Exposes Carrier IQ

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:56:17 -0500, Steve Topletz, Wizard wrote:

> Carrier IQ as a platform is designed to collect "metrics" at any
> scale. What I found it to hook into is far beyond the scope of
> anything a carrier needs - or should want - to be collecting.
>
> Carrier IQ sits in the middle of, and "checks" the data of, SMS and
> MMS messages. It listens for and receives every battery change
> notifications. It hooks into every web page you view, and every XML
> file your device reads. It receives every press of the touch screen.
>
> It 'sees' what you type on the physical keyboard. It reads every
> number you press in the dialer. It can track which applications you
> use, what 'type' they are, how often, and for how long. It hooks into
> data sent and received.
>
> I'm not calling Norelli nix anymore I can tell you that

Wow, scary stuff. Not buying phones from them until resolved.
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:12:52 -0500, Steve Topletz, Wizard wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:11:25 -0500, Ian Anderson wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:56:17 -0500, Steve Topletz, Wizard wrote:
>>
>>> Carrier IQ as a platform is designed to collect "metrics" at any
>>> scale. What I found it to hook into is far beyond the scope of
>>> anything a carrier needs - or should want - to be collecting.
>>>
>>> Carrier IQ sits in the middle of, and "checks" the data of, SMS and
>>> MMS messages. It listens for and receives every battery change
>>> notifications. It hooks into every web page you view, and every XML
>>> file your device reads. It receives every press of the touch screen.
>>>
>>> It 'sees' what you type on the physical keyboard. It reads every
>>> number you press in the dialer. It can track which applications you
>>> use, what 'type' they are, how often, and for how long. It hooks into
>>> data sent and received.
>>>
>>> I'm not calling Norelli nix anymore I can tell you that
>>
>> Wow, scary stuff. Not buying phones from them until resolved.
>
> From what i gather, it sounds like it is capable of sniffing, logging,
> and remotely forwarding all your logins and passwords. Thank you
> Sprint, thank you Samsung for this rather effective phone keylogger.

Carrier IQ was something I've heard about only in passing, until a few
days ago. Recently, k0nane (Bless your heart, you shiny golden god)
was able to dig down into the bowels of the OS and remove Carrier IQ
from the mix, publishing the changes in the rom, SyndicateROM Frozen.

The result is astounding.

Lag has been almost entirely obliterated (remaining lag on my device
may be due to launcher or other third-party software inefficiencies.
Battery life is RIDICULOUSLY improved. And to top it all off, Sprint
can't spy on my activities by collecting logs from my phone.
Brilliant.

> Thanks to my pure blood Mom and Dad for giving me wizard blood!

What we need is more wizard...morons. Fuck off, slick git.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:15:47 -0500, Gordon Darling wrote:

> Carrier IQ was something I've heard about only in passing, until a few
> days ago. Recently, k0nane (Bless your heart, you shiny golden god)
> was able to dig down into the bowels of the OS and remove Carrier IQ
> from the mix, publishing the changes in the rom, SyndicateROM Frozen.
>
> The result is astounding.
>
> Lag has been almost entirely obliterated (remaining lag on my device
> may be due to launcher or other third-party software inefficiencies.
> Battery life is RIDICULOUSLY improved. And to top it all off, Sprint
> can't spy on my activities by collecting logs from my phone.
> Brilliant.
>
>> Thanks to my pure blood Mom and Dad for giving me wizard blood!
>
> What we need is more wizard...morons. Fuck off, slick git.

Also - didn't k0nane say that it looked like most of the functionality
of CIQ was turned off?
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:17:57 -0500, Cawshus wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:15:47 -0500, Gordon Darling wrote:
>
>> Carrier IQ was something I've heard about only in passing, until a few
>> days ago. Recently, k0nane (Bless your heart, you shiny golden god)
>> was able to dig down into the bowels of the OS and remove Carrier IQ
>> from the mix, publishing the changes in the rom, SyndicateROM Frozen.
>>
>> The result is astounding.
>>
>> Lag has been almost entirely obliterated (remaining lag on my device
>> may be due to launcher or other third-party software inefficiencies.
>> Battery life is RIDICULOUSLY improved. And to top it all off, Sprint
>> can't spy on my activities by collecting logs from my phone.
>> Brilliant.
>>
>>> Thanks to my pure blood Mom and Dad for giving me wizard blood!
>>
>> What we need is more wizard...morons. Fuck off, slick git.
>
> Also - didn't k0nane say that it looked like most of the functionality
> of CIQ was turned off?

Yes. Things are never as good or as bad as initially reported.

Look, I wasn't born yesterday. I'm not surprised by this. I am,
however, severely pissed off now that I know the extent of their
deception, their power-mongering behavior, and their absolute
disregard for customer experience. It's bad enough that I can't go
into a sprint store with a problem without getting attitude for
improperly trained, moody, and ignorant employees, but now I have to
use a device that is riddled with more problems than a submarine made
out of wire mesh screens and gorilla tape, simply so sprint can
gather our personal info at their whim.

I wrote this post mainly because I'm pissed. But more so because I
want you to be pissed. I want us all to be pissed together, and get
loud about it, and bombard Sprint online with questions and
statements of outrage until they recognize their own stupidity and
respond.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:19:23 -0500, Gordon Darling wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:17:57 -0500, Cawshus wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:15:47 -0500, Gordon Darling wrote:
>>
>>> Carrier IQ was something I've heard about only in passing, until a few
>>> days ago. Recently, k0nane (Bless your heart, you shiny golden god)
>>> was able to dig down into the bowels of the OS and remove Carrier IQ
>>> from the mix, publishing the changes in the rom, SyndicateROM Frozen.
>>>
>>> The result is astounding.
>>>
>>> Lag has been almost entirely obliterated (remaining lag on my device
>>> may be due to launcher or other third-party software inefficiencies.
>>> Battery life is RIDICULOUSLY improved. And to top it all off, Sprint
>>> can't spy on my activities by collecting logs from my phone.
>>> Brilliant.
>>>
>>>> Thanks to my pure blood Mom and Dad for giving me wizard blood!
>>>
>>> What we need is more wizard...morons. Fuck off, slick git.
>>
>> Also - didn't k0nane say that it looked like most of the functionality
>> of CIQ was turned off?
>
> Yes. Things are never as good or as bad as initially reported.
>
> Look, I wasn't born yesterday. I'm not surprised by this. I am,
> however, severely pissed off now that I know the extent of their
> deception, their power-mongering behavior, and their absolute
> disregard for customer experience. It's bad enough that I can't go
> into a sprint store with a problem without getting attitude for
> improperly trained, moody, and ignorant employees, but now I have to
> use a device that is riddled with more problems than a submarine made
> out of wire mesh screens and gorilla tape, simply so sprint can
> gather our personal info at their whim.
>
> I wrote this post mainly because I'm pissed. But more so because I
> want you to be pissed. I want us all to be pissed together, and get
> loud about it, and bombard Sprint online with questions and
> statements of outrage until they recognize their own stupidity and
> respond.

I'm not really thrilled by CarrierIQ either, but I think your rant
might be a little overblown and I also don't think most of the
improvements you are seeing are due to carrierIQ being removed.

All the other changes, (Overclock/undervolt, EXT4 conversion) have a
much bigger effect on both battery life and performance. I say this
because for the last week I've been on STOCK rom with Genocide kernel
on it, (which is OC/UV). I also saw a noticeable improvement in
battery life. (At the end of the day I'm usually at about 40%)

Going from that to Syndicate I really didn't see any improved battery
life, and although I got better benchmark scores the phone didn't
perform any better in actual use. I'm back on the stock rom/genocide
kernel now because I need a stable phone.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:21:44 -0500, Linton Yarbrough wrote:

> I'm not really thrilled by CarrierIQ either, but I think your rant
> might be a little overblown and I also don't think most of the
> improvements you are seeing are due to carrierIQ being removed.
>
> All the other changes, (Overclock/undervolt, EXT4 conversion) have a
> much bigger effect on both battery life and performance. I say this
> because for the last week I've been on STOCK rom with Genocide kernel
> on it, (which is OC/UV). I also saw a noticeable improvement in
> battery life. (At the end of the day I'm usually at about 40%)
>
> Going from that to Syndicate I really didn't see any improved battery
> life, and although I got better benchmark scores the phone didn't
> perform any better in actual use. I'm back on the stock rom/genocide
> kernel now because I need a stable phone.

As far as being paranoid about what CarrierIQ does, well, I've looked
and have yet to find anything but guesses and opinions. If you look
at their website

http://www.carrieriq.com/index.htm

it appears to be a tool that gives Sprint information about lots if
things including call quality and tower performance. The descriptions
are all written in "business doublespeak", so it's a little hard to
grok but most of the items seems to be things that might actually
help Sprint improve their service and be a benefit to their
customers. Show me some evidence that they are "spying on us" with
this app.

Overall, this is nothing compared to the kind of data we give Google
every day because we signed on to the Android bandwagon. They know
every location we go to, every URL we visit, every app we install,
every phone number we call.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:22:47 -0500, RMCG wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:21:44 -0500, Linton Yarbrough wrote:
>
>> I'm not really thrilled by CarrierIQ either, but I think your rant
>> might be a little overblown and I also don't think most of the
>> improvements you are seeing are due to carrierIQ being removed.
>>
>> All the other changes, (Overclock/undervolt, EXT4 conversion) have a
>> much bigger effect on both battery life and performance. I say this
>> because for the last week I've been on STOCK rom with Genocide kernel
>> on it, (which is OC/UV). I also saw a noticeable improvement in
>> battery life. (At the end of the day I'm usually at about 40%)
>>
>> Going from that to Syndicate I really didn't see any improved battery
>> life, and although I got better benchmark scores the phone didn't
>> perform any better in actual use. I'm back on the stock rom/genocide
>> kernel now because I need a stable phone.
>
> As far as being paranoid about what CarrierIQ does, well, I've looked
> and have yet to find anything but guesses and opinions. If you look
> at their website
>
> http://www.carrieriq.com/index.htm
>
> it appears to be a tool that gives Sprint information about lots if
> things including call quality and tower performance. The descriptions
> are all written in "business doublespeak", so it's a little hard to
> grok but most of the items seems to be things that might actually
> help Sprint improve their service and be a benefit to their
> customers. Show me some evidence that they are "spying on us" with
> this app.
>
> Overall, this is nothing compared to the kind of data we give Google
> every day because we signed on to the Android bandwagon. They know
> every location we go to, every URL we visit, every app we install,
> every phone number we call.

I'm not that worried about it, really, because my passwords, gps,
texts, mms, voice mail, etc. are already stored on Sprint's servers
and they can look at it any time they want.

Google knows every application I've installed on my phone and Sprint
probably does, too.

So, even though I couldn't care less about someone watching an old man
go about his business, I still would like to know exactly what data
they are mining.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:17:57 -0500, Cawshus wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:15:47 -0500, Gordon Darling wrote:
>
>> Carrier IQ was something I've heard about only in passing, until a few
>> days ago. Recently, k0nane (Bless your heart, you shiny golden god)
>> was able to dig down into the bowels of the OS and remove Carrier IQ
>> from the mix, publishing the changes in the rom, SyndicateROM Frozen.
>>
>> The result is astounding.
>>
>> Lag has been almost entirely obliterated (remaining lag on my device
>> may be due to launcher or other third-party software inefficiencies.
>> Battery life is RIDICULOUSLY improved. And to top it all off, Sprint
>> can't spy on my activities by collecting logs from my phone.
>> Brilliant.
>>
>>> Thanks to my pure blood Mom and Dad for giving me wizard blood!
>>
>> What we need is more wizard...morons. Fuck off, slick git.
>
> Also - didn't k0nane say that it looked like most of the functionality
> of CIQ was turned off?

I'm not a developer...NOOB here with this TECH...

BUT Carrier IQ is HIDDEN very deep...and hard to remove...

THANKS
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:27:12 -0500, DasFox wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:17:57 -0500, Cawshus wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:15:47 -0500, Gordon Darling wrote:
>>
>>> Carrier IQ was something I've heard about only in passing, until a few
>>> days ago. Recently, k0nane (Bless your heart, you shiny golden god)
>>> was able to dig down into the bowels of the OS and remove Carrier IQ
>>> from the mix, publishing the changes in the rom, SyndicateROM Frozen.
>>>
>>> The result is astounding.
>>>
>>> Lag has been almost entirely obliterated (remaining lag on my device
>>> may be due to launcher or other third-party software inefficiencies.
>>> Battery life is RIDICULOUSLY improved. And to top it all off, Sprint
>>> can't spy on my activities by collecting logs from my phone.
>>> Brilliant.
>>>
>>>> Thanks to my pure blood Mom and Dad for giving me wizard blood!
>>>
>>> What we need is more wizard...morons. Fuck off, slick git.
>>
>> Also - didn't k0nane say that it looked like most of the functionality
>> of CIQ was turned off?
>
> I'm not a developer...NOOB here with this TECH...
>
> BUT Carrier IQ is HIDDEN very deep...and hard to remove...
>
> THANKS

DasFox, we do need to know everything possible, bless your heart, you
shiny golden god!
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:28:52 -0500, hierophant wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:27:12 -0500, DasFox wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:17:57 -0500, Cawshus wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:15:47 -0500, Gordon Darling wrote:
>>>
>>>> Carrier IQ was something I've heard about only in passing, until a few
>>>> days ago. Recently, k0nane (Bless your heart, you shiny golden god)
>>>> was able to dig down into the bowels of the OS and remove Carrier IQ
>>>> from the mix, publishing the changes in the rom, SyndicateROM Frozen.
>>>>
>>>> The result is astounding.
>>>>
>>>> Lag has been almost entirely obliterated (remaining lag on my device
>>>> may be due to launcher or other third-party software inefficiencies.
>>>> Battery life is RIDICULOUSLY improved. And to top it all off, Sprint
>>>> can't spy on my activities by collecting logs from my phone.
>>>> Brilliant.
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to my pure blood Mom and Dad for giving me wizard blood!
>>>>
>>>> What we need is more wizard...morons. Fuck off, slick git.
>>>
>>> Also - didn't k0nane say that it looked like most of the functionality
>>> of CIQ was turned off?
>>
>> I'm not a developer...NOOB here with this TECH...
>>
>> BUT Carrier IQ is HIDDEN very deep...and hard to remove...
>>
>> THANKS
>
> DasFox, we do need to know everything possible, bless your heart, you
> shiny golden god!

BY FAR the most hilarious way I've been referenced...LOLZ...

THANKS
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https://ari.jottit.com/ YOU want to be next...? Fuck with 'FOX then...
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Anybody with an internet connection, 5 grand, an iq above room
temperature and basic literacy can grow outstanding cannabis.