Re: Tories trying to be all things to all men ...

J Martin wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:23:09 +0000, MB
> <aobmailbox144-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> On 11/03/2010 23:54, Java Jive wrote:
>>> 11/03/2010 Tories to pledge 'fastest broadband' in Europe
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8561836.stm
>>> The Conservatives say if they win power at the general election -
>>> which is widely expected to be held on 6 May - Britain "will be the
>>> first country in Europe to extend super-fast 100 mbps broadband across
>>> most of the population".
>>>
>>> ... the Conservatives hoped that the market will deliver most of their
>>> plan - making BT open up its network - but say they might have to use
>>> some of the BBC licence fee as well.
>>>
>>> 09/12/2009 Broadband tax included in pre-Budget report
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8403273.stm
>>> The Conservatives have vowed to scrap the tax if they win the next
>>> general election.
>>>
>>> 17/04/2009 Osborne plans big spending curbs
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8004340.stm
>>> But he said spending cuts rather than tax rises were the best way to
>>> tackle the UK's biggest peacetime deficit.
>>>
>>> Etc, etc.
>>>
>>> So how are they *really* going to pay for us to "be the first country
>>> in Europe to extend super-fast 100 mbps broadband across most of the
>>> population"?
>>
>>
>> Are we going to get a bidding war with each party promising a higher
>> speed than the others. The Liberals can safely promise 1GB and know
>> they will never have to actually provide it.
>>
> People can put the Libs right out of their minds unless some idiots in
> this country desire a hung parliament come on people vote for Cameron
> and lets get well and truly shut I am well and truly sick of having
> the Scottish duo telling me and every one else what to do.
> I want to governed by two English people not a pair of scottish
> wankers that will get us more and more into debt and WAR .

Cameron is scottish..

Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Cameron is scottish
> ^ ^
> of descent.
>
> There, fixed that for you.
>
Isnt that the definition?

On 14/03/2010 11:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> Cameron is scottish
>> ^ ^
>> of descent.
>>
>> There, fixed that for you.
>>
> Isnt that the definition?

No. You have to be born there.
One of those annoying little quirks.
I've lived in Wales for longer than I've lived anywhere else but I can
never be Welsh.
On the other side of the coin, John Prescott, everyone's idea of the
archetypal northern Englishman, is actually Welsh, having been born in
Wales.

George

On 14/03/2010 12:37 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cameron is scottish
>>> ^ ^
>>> of descent.
>>
>> Isnt that the definition?
>
> I'd have thought being Scottish required actually being born in Scotland?
>

I seem to remember that, years ago, Bob Wilson, the Arsenal goalkeeper,
played for Scotland without ever previously having visited the Country.
--
JohnT

On 14/03/2010 12:55, Andy Burns wrote:
> JohnT wrote:
>
>> I seem to remember that, years ago, Bob Wilson, the Arsenal goalkeeper,
>> played for Scotland without ever previously having visited the Country.
>
> wikipedia says "the rules were changed in 1970 to allow players to play
> for their parent's country of origin, if they had not already played for
> their own country"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tside_Scotland
>
>
And then there's Ryan Giggs, who was born in Wales but moved to
Manchester at the age of 6 and has played for Man U for donkey's years.
However, he couldn't/can't play for England because of his ancestry and
instead plays for Wales.

George

On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:41:19 +0000, JohnT <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>On 14/03/2010 12:37 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cameron is scottish
>>>> ^ ^
>>>> of descent.
>>>
>>> Isnt that the definition?
>>
>> I'd have thought being Scottish required actually being born in Scotland?
>>
>
>I seem to remember that, years ago, Bob Wilson, the Arsenal goalkeeper,
>played for Scotland without ever previously having visited the Country.

The rules for eligibility to play for a national football team allow for
connection to the country via a parent or grandparent. It is not
necessary to have been born in or even visited the country.
http://www.helium.com/items/977700-s...gibility-rules

See this also, starting at the fourth paragraph from the end:
http://www.englandfootballonline.com...ligibiliy.html


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:13:13 +0000, George Weston wrote:

> No. You have to be born there.

But being born there by its-self does not make you Scottish.

> On the other side of the coin, John Prescott, everyone's idea of the
> archetypal northern Englishman, is actually Welsh, having been born in
> Wales.

And because his parents were Welsh.

But he left Wales at the age of 4, and this probably had a significant
effect on his accent and upbringing.

Wikipedia clearly identifies him as a Welsh politician.

J Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:13:13 +0000, George Weston
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> On 14/03/2010 11:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cameron is scottish
>>>> ^ ^
>>>> of descent.
>>>>
>>>> There, fixed that for you.
>>>>
>>> Isnt that the definition?
>> No. You have to be born there.
>> One of those annoying little quirks.
>> I've lived in Wales for longer than I've lived anywhere else but I can
>> never be Welsh.
>> On the other side of the coin, John Prescott, everyone's idea of the
>> archetypal northern Englishman, is actually Welsh, having been born in
>> Wales.
>>
>> George
> And one of the few labourities apart from Tony Blair that I have any
> time for .

God you make some strange choices.

Prescott's only redeeming features are that he probably means well, and
is honest enough.

Blair doesn't even have those virtues.

On 14/03/2010 15:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> J Martin wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:13:13 +0000, George Weston
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/03/2010 11:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cameron is scottish
>>>>> ^ ^
>>>>> of descent.
>>>>>
>>>>> There, fixed that for you.
>>>>>
>>>> Isnt that the definition?
>>> No. You have to be born there.
>>> One of those annoying little quirks.
>>> I've lived in Wales for longer than I've lived anywhere else but I
>>> can never be Welsh.
>>> On the other side of the coin, John Prescott, everyone's idea of the
>>> archetypal northern Englishman, is actually Welsh, having been born
>>> in Wales.
>>>
>>> George
>> And one of the few labourities apart from Tony Blair that I have any
>> time for .
>
> God you make some strange choices.
>
> Prescott's only redeeming features are that he probably means well, and
> is honest enough.
>
> Blair doesn't even have those virtues.

No but he was canny (cynical?) enough to make Prescott his Deputy PM,
presumably as a nod to Old Labour.

George

On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:23:30 +0000, George Weston wrote:

> No but he was canny (cynical?) enough to make Prescott his Deputy PM,
> presumably as a nod to Old Labour.

And also because appointing somebody who appears to be less capable than
you and prone to goofs, is an excellent choice for a deputy, because they
tend to attract all the bad media attention and make you look good by
comparison.

Other examples -- Reagan and Quayle, Obama and Biden.