Re: That's me now

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Jef Roe says...
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> fully Powergrid networked and its marvellous compared to wireless.

Except for any amateur radio users or shortwave listeners within a 500
yard radius....

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Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:08:45 -0000, Conor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Jef Roe says...
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>> fully Powergrid networked and its marvellous compared to wireless.
>
>Except for any amateur radio users or shortwave listeners within a 500
>yard radius....

http://homeplug-powerline.co.uk/powerline%20FAQs

Do the homeplugs emit electromagnetic interference around the house or
the neighbours' homes?

The homeplugs are tested according to the same standards as all other
electrical devices (EN55022), and generate the same noise level as
with other electrical equipment, they are certified according to all
essential CE standards.

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HTH

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Victor Meldrew
says...
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> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:08:45 -0000, Conor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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> >In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Jef Roe says...
> >>
> >> fully Powergrid networked and its marvellous compared to wireless.
> >
> >Except for any amateur radio users or shortwave listeners within a 500
> >yard radius....
>
> http://homeplug-powerline.co.uk/powerline%20FAQs
>
> Do the homeplugs emit electromagnetic interference around the house or
> the neighbours' homes?
>
> The homeplugs are tested according to the same standards as all other
> electrical devices (EN55022), and generate the same noise level as
> with other electrical equipment, they are certified according to all
> essential CE standards.

Oh yes, they're certified. One example self certified in a lab. When
they put them out in the real world, they found they needed to up the
power in order for them to work, thus breaking the CE certification.



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Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Victor Meldrew
says...

> The homeplugs are tested according to the same standards as all other
> electrical devices (EN55022), and generate the same noise level as
> with other electrical equipment, they are certified according to all
> essential CE standards.

So why did Ofcom force BT to remove them from a persons house near me
(150ft away) when I put in a complaint of interference from them?

Surely if they're complying, they'd not have caused the interference?

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Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:54:00 -0000, Conor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>So why did Ofcom force BT to remove them from a persons house near me
>(150ft away) when I put in a complaint of interference from them?

I think you are making this up.

http://www.solwise.co.uk/ who supplied me say there is no problem, and
still sell lots of them.

Nobody is going to force me to stop using something I've bought
perfectly legally.

You carry on living in 'Conor world', I'll live in the real one.

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vic

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:46:43 GMT, Chris Whelan
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Although there will inevitably be disagreement over the scale of the
>problem, it would seem that the problem does exist in the real world.

In the real world I'll carry on using equipment that I purchased
legally and is legal to use.

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vic

Victor Meldrew wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:46:43 GMT, Chris Whelan
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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>> Although there will inevitably be disagreement over the scale of the
>> problem, it would seem that the problem does exist in the real world.
>
> In the real world I'll carry on using equipment that I purchased
> legally and is legal to use.

It's not.

It's also not legal to use a spark gap transmitter. It was once. But not
now.

You can still buy spark gap transmitters though.

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Adrian C

Jef Roe wrote:
> "Adrian C" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> It's not.
>>
>> It's also not legal to use a spark gap transmitter. It was once. But not
>> now.
>>
>> You can still buy spark gap transmitters though.
>>
>> --
>> Adrian C
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> I think you should read the link posted by Chris...
>

Even so, if you drive a car at 1 MPH over the speed limit it's illegal.
The fact that nine times out of ten ye don't get pulled for it doesn't
really make it less so.

I was responding to a bit of pedantry. Excuse me.

Ofcom have got limited interest to go around sniffing on all users so
PLT folks will get away with it even with compromised equipment.

However, it's good for some that they recognise and will deal with
incidents on what seems a case-by-case basis, and where it's
installation, operation or improper manufacturing conditions, there will
be a response and resolution.

So that's the best that can be hoped for.

I pay taxes. Do I want an OTT funded draconian Ofcom hit squad in flak
jackets to patrol every street corner?

No.

Admittedly PLT interference is not going to kill or maime someone.
However injuries will happen by squabling on both sides. Nothing new there.

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Adrian 'G1' C

"Chris Whelan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:15:21 +0000, Victor Meldrew wrote:
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>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:46:43 GMT, Chris Whelan
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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>>>Although there will inevitably be disagreement over the scale of the
>>>problem, it would seem that the problem does exist in the real world.
>>
>> In the real world I'll carry on using equipment that I purchased legally
>> and is legal to use.
>
> The real world situation is described in the Ofcom link I posted.
>
> It's only legal to use if it doesn't interfere with someone else's legal
> use of the airwaves.
>
> As soon as a valid complaint is received, your use of that equipment is
> illegal.
>
> Of course, there are many more users of these devices than their are
> radio amateurs, which is why they are still being sold and used. It
> doesn't alter the fact that if someone local to you was affected, you
> would have to stop using the device, have it modified to prevent the
> interference, or risk prosecution.
>
> Chris

Is it the case if a radio ham interferer's with the plug in network
adaptors?

Harry

"Jef Roe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Chris Whelan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:29:13 +0000, Harry wrote:
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>> [...]
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>>> Is it the case if a radio ham interferer's with the plug in network
>>> adaptors?
>>>
>>> Harry
>>
>> Bit difficult to imagine how that would happen, but certainly radio hams
>> have to operate their equipment within the law; as well as prosecution
>> and confiscation of equipment, they potentially face loss of their
>> licence.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> --
>> Remove prejudice to reply.
>
> out of interest what do radio hams actually listen to.
>
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