Re: Strange BB issue

lloyd wrote:
> Dad's just moved in to a property in the sticks and had an issue with
> line noise on PSTN, BB was fine with occasional disconnects. They
> changed wires on the pole and noise has gone. BB line was fine for a
> few weeks but now constant disconnects and downstream noise goes from
> +10 to -10 up and down. Downstream speeds also drop as low as 160kbps,
> though upstream stays constant at 400kbps. Lines all tested as not a
> home fault and BB engineer out tomorrow. If they take the home phone
> off the hook and leave it off the hook the BB line stays pretty
> stable! Hang up and the disconnects start again, give or take a little
> time. Ding any bells?
>
> Nothing I've ever seen before.

Probably a diode corrosion junction somewhere.


Or something localised and very noisy liek a friudge thats injecting sparks.

Good trick is to detune and old MW radio 'between stations' and see if
the noise on it bears any relation to the dropouts.

lloyd wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:43:18 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> lloyd wrote:
>>> Dad's just moved in to a property in the sticks and had an issue with
>>> line noise on PSTN, BB was fine with occasional disconnects. They
>>> changed wires on the pole and noise has gone. BB line was fine for a
>>> few weeks but now constant disconnects and downstream noise goes from
>>> +10 to -10 up and down. Downstream speeds also drop as low as 160kbps,
>>> though upstream stays constant at 400kbps. Lines all tested as not a
>>> home fault and BB engineer out tomorrow. If they take the home phone
>>> off the hook and leave it off the hook the BB line stays pretty
>>> stable! Hang up and the disconnects start again, give or take a little
>>> time. Ding any bells?
>>>
>>> Nothing I've ever seen before.
>> Probably a diode corrosion junction somewhere.
>>
>>
>> Or something localised and very noisy liek a friudge thats injecting sparks.
>>
>> Good trick is to detune and old MW radio 'between stations' and see if
>> the noise on it bears any relation to the dropouts.
>
> MW radio was a struggle but interesting to hear the noise. LCD monitor
> was worst but nothing had any effect when switched off
>
>
The laws of physics suggest that is, in general, the case...;-)

lloyd wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:10:39 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> lloyd wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:43:18 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> lloyd wrote:
>>>>> Dad's just moved in to a property in the sticks and had an issue with
>>>>> line noise on PSTN, BB was fine with occasional disconnects. They
>>>>> changed wires on the pole and noise has gone. BB line was fine for a
>>>>> few weeks but now constant disconnects and downstream noise goes from
>>>>> +10 to -10 up and down. Downstream speeds also drop as low as 160kbps,
>>>>> though upstream stays constant at 400kbps. Lines all tested as not a
>>>>> home fault and BB engineer out tomorrow. If they take the home phone
>>>>> off the hook and leave it off the hook the BB line stays pretty
>>>>> stable! Hang up and the disconnects start again, give or take a little
>>>>> time. Ding any bells?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing I've ever seen before.
>>>> Probably a diode corrosion junction somewhere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or something localised and very noisy liek a friudge thats injecting sparks.
>>>>
>>>> Good trick is to detune and old MW radio 'between stations' and see if
>>>> the noise on it bears any relation to the dropouts.
>>> MW radio was a struggle but interesting to hear the noise. LCD monitor
>>> was worst but nothing had any effect when switched off
>>>
>>>
>> The laws of physics suggest that is, in general, the case...;-)
>
> LOL who was it said something always leaves a trace even when it's
> gone, or words to that effect. Might have been Batman
>
> I rephrase that then. No difference was apparent either in the on, or
> off state or said switching in between.

Indeed, which is convincing evidence the problem is upstream of your
immediate environment.

"Ato_Zee" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:ESxKm.14919$(E-Mail Removed)2...
>
> On 11-Nov-2009, lloyd <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> If they take the home phone
>> >>>> off the hook and leave it off the hook the BB line stays pretty
>> >>>> stable! Hang up and the disconnects start again, give or take a
>> >>>> little
>> >>>> time. Ding any bells?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Nothing I've ever seen before.
>> >>> Probably a diode corrosion junction somewhere.
>
> Doesn't the line polarity reverse in the off hook condition,
> and copper oxide rectifiers only conduct one way?
> If so might explain why only off hook affects the problem.

No, but obviously current flows when off-hook where as
no current flows on-hook (or only microamps at most).

There is a line reversal for the duration the phone is ringing though,
and I think it is this that temporarily clears HR and diode effect faults
more than the AC ringing waveform superimposed on the DC

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

kraftee wrote:
>
> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:hde3c0$1dd$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> lloyd wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:10:39 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> lloyd wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:43:18 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> lloyd wrote:
>>>>>>> Dad's just moved in to a property in the sticks and had an issue
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> line noise on PSTN, BB was fine with occasional disconnects. They
>>>>>>> changed wires on the pole and noise has gone. BB line was fine for a
>>>>>>> few weeks but now constant disconnects and downstream noise goes
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> +10 to -10 up and down. Downstream speeds also drop as low as
>>>>>>> 160kbps,
>>>>>>> though upstream stays constant at 400kbps. Lines all tested as
>>>>>>> not a
>>>>>>> home fault and BB engineer out tomorrow. If they take the home phone
>>>>>>> off the hook and leave it off the hook the BB line stays pretty
>>>>>>> stable! Hang up and the disconnects start again, give or take a
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>> time. Ding any bells?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing I've ever seen before.
>>>>>> Probably a diode corrosion junction somewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or something localised and very noisy liek a friudge thats
>>>>>> injecting sparks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good trick is to detune and old MW radio 'between stations' and
>>>>>> see if the noise on it bears any relation to the dropouts.
>>>>> MW radio was a struggle but interesting to hear the noise. LCD monitor
>>>>> was worst but nothing had any effect when switched off
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The laws of physics suggest that is, in general, the case...;-)
>>>
>>> LOL who was it said something always leaves a trace even when it's
>>> gone, or words to that effect. Might have been Batman
>>>
>>> I rephrase that then. No difference was apparent either in the on, or
>>> off state or said switching in between.
>>
>> Indeed, which is convincing evidence the problem is upstream of your
>> immediate environment.
>
> No necessarily so, but off course you'll produce some techno babble to
> prove your point.

well its not necessary..anything that fucks with broadband fucks with
the MW band by definition.

So if the radio don't see it, its not in range of it, or its so tightly
tied to the wiring (impossible) that it gets into the router but not the
radio.


> It could be literally anything electrical inside the
> house, especially low power halogen lighting circuits, had a few of
> those causing problems this year . The thing to do, if you think you've
> found a noise source, is to remove the power feed to that circuit.

If it is, you will hear it on the radio.

I know what my internal noise sources are. I can hear em on the radio,
see em on the telly..even the PABX can pick up a bloody arcing thermostat.


> Turning it off, will on occasion, leave the transformer on line and if
> it there is any RF signals the chances are it will be from the
> transformer or circuitry immediately associated with it. So in the case
> of the monitor, yes it is unlikely but without unplugging it you can't
> be 100% sure. Another one to check would be checking to see if any
> telephone leads are under/wrapped around anything which has a switch
> mode power supply, this of course will include any free view/satellite
> boxes and off course the LCD TV sitting innocently in the corner.
>
> Remember to be sure you have to remove the power from the circuit, not
> just turn them off.
>
> The problem will be when it's being caused by the routers power supply
> (yes it does happen, more often than I would like). I do hope the OP
> has a spare router if they are going to the trouble of checking
> themselves out for any REIN problems



Just like Crosland, you are spouting standard stuff that simply doesn't
apply in this case, just like a ISP support droid does.

It takes more than a few bits of RFI from cheap in house stuff to create
serious and permanent 20dB degradation on a line.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:48:28 +0000, The Natural Philosopher ate alphabet
spaghetti and shat out:

> 198kHz wrote:
>> "Ato_Zee" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:ESxKm.14919$(E-Mail Removed)2...
>>>
>>> Doesn't the line polarity reverse in the off hook condition,
>>
>> No.
>>
>>> and copper oxide rectifiers only conduct one way? If so might explain
>>> why only off hook affects the problem.
>>
>> The point is that only when off-hook is there a DC current flow.
>>
>>
>>
> I thought it was the other way about?


You would. You don't get the concept of something as complicated as a
switch in the open/closed position {not withstanding the tiny amount of
quiescent}. Perhaps you should listen to Peter who may be able to help
you with such basic elementary information. Of course, none of us want to
teach a man 'who didn't spend 10 years installing internet links' to suck
eggs....



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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:46:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher ate alphabet
spaghetti and shat out:

> kraftee wrote:
>>

> Just like Crosland, you are spouting standard stuff that simply doesn't
> apply in this case

I'm sure Peter would understand current flow in open and closed circuits,
unlike you Mr Natural Phallus ;-P Mind you, you carry on spouting that
rectified loop bollocks that you don't understand. Much like the AM radio
urban legend started by a group of BT engineers a few years ago to make
people look like morons. It's funny as fuck to watch retards tuning the
Tandy flavour radios to Five Live looking for interference from the
planet nog-nog-thermostat when they have little comprehension as to the
complexity of what is going on with DSL. Prize tit award again.
{caveat, in skilled hands an AM radio can help troubleshoot some common,
serious RF issues that *may* upset broadband} however, you don't meet the
'skilled hands' requirement. This may help:

---
|
+-+--+
| | phone guts
+-+--+
|
|
|
|
O
----| hook switch
O
|
+++ Gnd




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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:02:17 +0000, lloyd ate alphabet spaghetti and shat
out:

> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:46:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>kraftee wrote:
>>>
>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:hde3c0$1dd$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> lloyd wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:10:39 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> lloyd wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:43:18 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lloyd wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dad's just moved in to a property in the sticks and had an issue
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> line noise on PSTN, BB was fine with occasional disconnects.
>>>>>>>>> They changed wires on the pole and noise has gone. BB line was
>>>>>>>>> fine for a few weeks but now constant disconnects and downstream
>>>>>>>>> noise goes from
>>>>>>>>> +10 to -10 up and down. Downstream speeds also drop as low as
>>>>>>>>> 160kbps,
>>>>>>>>> though upstream stays constant at 400kbps. Lines all tested as
>>>>>>>>> not a
>>>>>>>>> home fault and BB engineer out tomorrow. If they take the home
>>>>>>>>> phone off the hook and leave it off the hook the BB line stays
>>>>>>>>> pretty stable! Hang up and the disconnects start again, give or
>>>>>>>>> take a little
>>>>>>>>> time. Ding any bells?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nothing I've ever seen before.
>>>>>>>> Probably a diode corrosion junction somewhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or something localised and very noisy liek a friudge thats
>>>>>>>> injecting sparks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good trick is to detune and old MW radio 'between stations' and
>>>>>>>> see if the noise on it bears any relation to the dropouts.
>>>>>>> MW radio was a struggle but interesting to hear the noise. LCD
>>>>>>> monitor was worst but nothing had any effect when switched off
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The laws of physics suggest that is, in general, the case...;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL who was it said something always leaves a trace even when it's
>>>>> gone, or words to that effect. Might have been Batman
>>>>>
>>>>> I rephrase that then. No difference was apparent either in the on,
>>>>> or off state or said switching in between.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, which is convincing evidence the problem is upstream of your
>>>> immediate environment.
>>>
>>> No necessarily so, but off course you'll produce some techno babble to
>>> prove your point.
>>
>>well its not necessary..anything that fucks with broadband fucks with
>>the MW band by definition.
>>
>>So if the radio don't see it, its not in range of it, or its so tightly
>>tied to the wiring (impossible) that it gets into the router but not the
>>radio.
>>
>>
>>> It could be literally anything electrical inside the house, especially
>>> low power halogen lighting circuits, had a few of those causing
>>> problems this year . The thing to do, if you think you've found a
>>> noise source, is to remove the power feed to that circuit.
>>
>>If it is, you will hear it on the radio.
>>
>>I know what my internal noise sources are. I can hear em on the radio,
>>see em on the telly..even the PABX can pick up a bloody arcing
>>thermostat.
>>
>>
>>> Turning it off, will on occasion, leave the transformer on line and if
>>> it there is any RF signals the chances are it will be from the
>>> transformer or circuitry immediately associated with it. So in the
>>> case of the monitor, yes it is unlikely but without unplugging it you
>>> can't be 100% sure. Another one to check would be checking to see if
>>> any telephone leads are under/wrapped around anything which has a
>>> switch mode power supply, this of course will include any free
>>> view/satellite boxes and off course the LCD TV sitting innocently in
>>> the corner.
>>>
>>> Remember to be sure you have to remove the power from the circuit, not
>>> just turn them off.
>>>
>>> The problem will be when it's being caused by the routers power supply
>>> (yes it does happen, more often than I would like). I do hope the OP
>>> has a spare router if they are going to the trouble of checking
>>> themselves out for any REIN problems
>>
>>
>>
>>Just like Crosland, you are spouting standard stuff that simply doesn't
>>apply in this case, just like a ISP support droid does.
>>
>>It takes more than a few bits of RFI from cheap in house stuff to create
>>serious and permanent 20dB degradation on a line.
>
> BB engineer called round and established fault was upstream of the
> house. Tested the line about 10 poles away which was perfect and worked
> his way back. Last two poles showed water ingress and green corroded
> joints which he remade. graph on routerstats is now a lovely crisp
> straight line and rock solid 6db NM with a connection speed of 1824.
> Speeds are still very poor but would imagine it will sort itself out in
> the next few days of clear lines.
>
> Whoever recommended routerstats was a life saver as the engineers who
> called could see the noise quite clearly and acted on it, rather than
> wondering if it was just another dozy customer with a dodgy filter.
>
> Thank you all for your help and inspiration.

That's great news. Sorry that our resident newsgroup village idiot, The
Natural Phallus, wasted your time with the old 'mw radio' thing. It was
clearly a bad connection from the outset, but the poor old fart does not
get the notion of basic DC theory.

Enjoy your super surfing ;-)



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lloyd wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:46:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> kraftee wrote:
>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:hde3c0$1dd$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> lloyd wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:10:39 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> lloyd wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:43:18 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lloyd wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dad's just moved in to a property in the sticks and had an issue
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> line noise on PSTN, BB was fine with occasional disconnects. They
>>>>>>>>> changed wires on the pole and noise has gone. BB line was fine for a
>>>>>>>>> few weeks but now constant disconnects and downstream noise goes
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> +10 to -10 up and down. Downstream speeds also drop as low as
>>>>>>>>> 160kbps,
>>>>>>>>> though upstream stays constant at 400kbps. Lines all tested as
>>>>>>>>> not a
>>>>>>>>> home fault and BB engineer out tomorrow. If they take the home phone
>>>>>>>>> off the hook and leave it off the hook the BB line stays pretty
>>>>>>>>> stable! Hang up and the disconnects start again, give or take a
>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>> time. Ding any bells?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nothing I've ever seen before.
>>>>>>>> Probably a diode corrosion junction somewhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or something localised and very noisy liek a friudge thats
>>>>>>>> injecting sparks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good trick is to detune and old MW radio 'between stations' and
>>>>>>>> see if the noise on it bears any relation to the dropouts.
>>>>>>> MW radio was a struggle but interesting to hear the noise. LCD monitor
>>>>>>> was worst but nothing had any effect when switched off
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The laws of physics suggest that is, in general, the case...;-)
>>>>> LOL who was it said something always leaves a trace even when it's
>>>>> gone, or words to that effect. Might have been Batman
>>>>>
>>>>> I rephrase that then. No difference was apparent either in the on, or
>>>>> off state or said switching in between.
>>>> Indeed, which is convincing evidence the problem is upstream of your
>>>> immediate environment.
>>> No necessarily so, but off course you'll produce some techno babble to
>>> prove your point.
>> well its not necessary..anything that fucks with broadband fucks with
>> the MW band by definition.
>>
>> So if the radio don't see it, its not in range of it, or its so tightly
>> tied to the wiring (impossible) that it gets into the router but not the
>> radio.
>>
>>
>>> It could be literally anything electrical inside the
>>> house, especially low power halogen lighting circuits, had a few of
>>> those causing problems this year . The thing to do, if you think you've
>>> found a noise source, is to remove the power feed to that circuit.
>> If it is, you will hear it on the radio.
>>
>> I know what my internal noise sources are. I can hear em on the radio,
>> see em on the telly..even the PABX can pick up a bloody arcing thermostat.
>>
>>
>>> Turning it off, will on occasion, leave the transformer on line and if
>>> it there is any RF signals the chances are it will be from the
>>> transformer or circuitry immediately associated with it. So in the case
>>> of the monitor, yes it is unlikely but without unplugging it you can't
>>> be 100% sure. Another one to check would be checking to see if any
>>> telephone leads are under/wrapped around anything which has a switch
>>> mode power supply, this of course will include any free view/satellite
>>> boxes and off course the LCD TV sitting innocently in the corner.
>>>
>>> Remember to be sure you have to remove the power from the circuit, not
>>> just turn them off.
>>>
>>> The problem will be when it's being caused by the routers power supply
>>> (yes it does happen, more often than I would like). I do hope the OP
>>> has a spare router if they are going to the trouble of checking
>>> themselves out for any REIN problems
>>
>>
>> Just like Crosland, you are spouting standard stuff that simply doesn't
>> apply in this case, just like a ISP support droid does.
>>
>> It takes more than a few bits of RFI from cheap in house stuff to create
>> serious and permanent 20dB degradation on a line.
>
> BB engineer called round and established fault was upstream of the
> house.

as we knew it would be.


> Tested the line about 10 poles away which was perfect and
> worked his way back. Last two poles showed water ingress and green
> corroded joints which he remade. graph on routerstats is now a lovely
> crisp straight line and rock solid 6db NM with a connection speed of
> 1824. Speeds are still very poor but would imagine it will sort itself
> out in the next few days of clear lines.

should do. 1824 is not brilliant, but its a lot better than sweet Fanny
Adams.

>
> Whoever recommended routerstats was a life saver as the engineers who
> called could see the noise quite clearly and acted on it, rather than
> wondering if it was just another dozy customer with a dodgy filter.
>

That's the only sort spamtastic, kraftee and Crosland think exist.

> Thank you all for your help and inspiration.

Spamtastic Spastic wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:02:17 +0000, lloyd ate alphabet spaghetti and shat
> out:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:46:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> kraftee wrote:
>>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:hde3c0$1dd$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> lloyd wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:10:39 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lloyd wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:43:18 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lloyd wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Dad's just moved in to a property in the sticks and had an issue
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> line noise on PSTN, BB was fine with occasional disconnects.
>>>>>>>>>> They changed wires on the pole and noise has gone. BB line was
>>>>>>>>>> fine for a few weeks but now constant disconnects and downstream
>>>>>>>>>> noise goes from
>>>>>>>>>> +10 to -10 up and down. Downstream speeds also drop as low as
>>>>>>>>>> 160kbps,
>>>>>>>>>> though upstream stays constant at 400kbps. Lines all tested as
>>>>>>>>>> not a
>>>>>>>>>> home fault and BB engineer out tomorrow. If they take the home
>>>>>>>>>> phone off the hook and leave it off the hook the BB line stays
>>>>>>>>>> pretty stable! Hang up and the disconnects start again, give or
>>>>>>>>>> take a little
>>>>>>>>>> time. Ding any bells?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nothing I've ever seen before.
>>>>>>>>> Probably a diode corrosion junction somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or something localised and very noisy liek a friudge thats
>>>>>>>>> injecting sparks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good trick is to detune and old MW radio 'between stations' and
>>>>>>>>> see if the noise on it bears any relation to the dropouts.
>>>>>>>> MW radio was a struggle but interesting to hear the noise. LCD
>>>>>>>> monitor was worst but nothing had any effect when switched off
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The laws of physics suggest that is, in general, the case...;-)
>>>>>> LOL who was it said something always leaves a trace even when it's
>>>>>> gone, or words to that effect. Might have been Batman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I rephrase that then. No difference was apparent either in the on,
>>>>>> or off state or said switching in between.
>>>>> Indeed, which is convincing evidence the problem is upstream of your
>>>>> immediate environment.
>>>> No necessarily so, but off course you'll produce some techno babble to
>>>> prove your point.
>>> well its not necessary..anything that fucks with broadband fucks with
>>> the MW band by definition.
>>>
>>> So if the radio don't see it, its not in range of it, or its so tightly
>>> tied to the wiring (impossible) that it gets into the router but not the
>>> radio.
>>>
>>>
>>>> It could be literally anything electrical inside the house, especially
>>>> low power halogen lighting circuits, had a few of those causing
>>>> problems this year . The thing to do, if you think you've found a
>>>> noise source, is to remove the power feed to that circuit.
>>> If it is, you will hear it on the radio.
>>>
>>> I know what my internal noise sources are. I can hear em on the radio,
>>> see em on the telly..even the PABX can pick up a bloody arcing
>>> thermostat.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Turning it off, will on occasion, leave the transformer on line and if
>>>> it there is any RF signals the chances are it will be from the
>>>> transformer or circuitry immediately associated with it. So in the
>>>> case of the monitor, yes it is unlikely but without unplugging it you
>>>> can't be 100% sure. Another one to check would be checking to see if
>>>> any telephone leads are under/wrapped around anything which has a
>>>> switch mode power supply, this of course will include any free
>>>> view/satellite boxes and off course the LCD TV sitting innocently in
>>>> the corner.
>>>>
>>>> Remember to be sure you have to remove the power from the circuit, not
>>>> just turn them off.
>>>>
>>>> The problem will be when it's being caused by the routers power supply
>>>> (yes it does happen, more often than I would like). I do hope the OP
>>>> has a spare router if they are going to the trouble of checking
>>>> themselves out for any REIN problems
>>>
>>>
>>> Just like Crosland, you are spouting standard stuff that simply doesn't
>>> apply in this case, just like a ISP support droid does.
>>>
>>> It takes more than a few bits of RFI from cheap in house stuff to create
>>> serious and permanent 20dB degradation on a line.
>> BB engineer called round and established fault was upstream of the
>> house. Tested the line about 10 poles away which was perfect and worked
>> his way back. Last two poles showed water ingress and green corroded
>> joints which he remade. graph on routerstats is now a lovely crisp
>> straight line and rock solid 6db NM with a connection speed of 1824.
>> Speeds are still very poor but would imagine it will sort itself out in
>> the next few days of clear lines.
>>
>> Whoever recommended routerstats was a life saver as the engineers who
>> called could see the noise quite clearly and acted on it, rather than
>> wondering if it was just another dozy customer with a dodgy filter.
>>
>> Thank you all for your help and inspiration.
>
> That's great news. Sorry that our resident newsgroup village idiot, The
> Natural Phallus, wasted your time with the old 'mw radio' thing. It was
> clearly a bad connection from the outset, but the poor old fart does not
> get the notion of basic DC theory.

I said exactly that, and the MW radio proved it was not inside the house.

It was you who started spouting off crap about RFI filters blah blah.

Pretending otherwise just makes you look smaller than you already are.

>
> Enjoy your super surfing ;-)
>
>
>