Re: Peterson's Death Sentence

"John Fields" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:37:02 GMT, "Pip" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >Hunh. I don't care if he lives or dies. He is guilty. Then again lots
of
> >guilty people go free, and then, lots of innocent people go to the chair.
> >The only way you can cure that is to abolish the death penalty.
> >I oppose the death penalty because of its varying application from state
to
> >state and judge to judge.
>
> ---
> If you oppose the death penalty it shouldn't be be because of the way
> it's capriciously enforced by man, it should be because a life which
> you didn't create shouldn't be yours to take.
> ---

Why John, how very white of you to inform Pip what her reasons and emotions
should be.


> >The law declaring the fetus a legal person disturbs me a great deal.
>
> ---
> It shouldn't. From the moment of conception, when the two foreign
> strands of DNA wrap around each other and form something that was
> never there before, given time and lack of hate, a new human will join
> us.
> ---

Sure it isn't a malignant tumor? And still being so considerate, telling
people what should and shouldn't disturb them. That's quite an ego you have
there! I'm sure people will be polite, and not laugh at you *too* loudly.


> >Its just one step to declaring abortion murder.
>
> ---
> Abortion _is_ murder.

That is opinion, not fact.


It's the taking of a life which, had it not
> been intentionally interfered with, would have died of other causes.
> ---

Proof? I expect you to give cites.


> >To me, this is the issue that deserves national attention.
>
> ---
> No, it deserves individual attention. Unfortunately, many of the
> sexual encounters which result in progeny are entered into with
> ignorance of the consequences of those encounters, with the result
> that the offspring of those unions will be unwanted, will be uncared
> for, and will become dregs upon society, with the intelligent ones
> planning and successfully executing payback for their misery.
> ---

Wow, someone sure has sour grapes.


> >Is there anymore evidence to convict Hatching in Utah of murder? No?
> >Another thing that should rightly piss you off, is that the Peterson case
> >has been used to distract the nation from important political events,
like
> >what fucking Bush is up to.
>
> ---
> You can't chew gum and walk at the same time, can you?
> ---

You can't stay on your geek group without coming here to spout off fundie
brainwashed garbage, can you?


> >Peterson's case is more a diversion and an
> >appeal to the soap operatic interests of the country than it is an
"unjust"
> >conviction.
> >I care about abortion rights and what is going on in Iraq. Peterson can
rot
> >in jail or fry, I don't give a damn which.
>
> ---
> Blah, blah, blah, blah, fucking blah...

> Just another plea for attention, just like Peterson's.

IOW, you have nothing intelligent to add. No surprise there.


> What you losers both have in common is that neither of you knows that
> you have nothing to say which hasn't been said thousands of times
> before and that few of us, up 'til now, has had the interest to step
> up and peg you both as inconsequential influences in the long term.
>
> Death, yeah, that's the way to go...

In your case, it would certainly be beneficial to us all. Now don't you have
some calculus or something to do?


> --
> John Fields

In <(E-Mail Removed)>, on 01/19/05
at 11:49 PM, "Aunty Kreist" <(E-Mail Removed)> said: >>
---
>> Abortion _is_ murder.

>That is opinion, not fact.

> It's the taking of a life which, had it not
>> been intentionally interfered with, would have died of other causes.
>> ---

>Proof? I expect you to give cites.

Hey there. Take a look at the subject line of this thread for the answer
to your need for proof.

The only reason old scotty there got the death penalty was because he
killed his unborn son, aka, the fetus (as referred to by the other
murderers)

If killing an unborn child is not murder, how come scotty boy is gonna die
for doing it?

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:41ef49f3$2$woehfu$(E-Mail Removed)...
> In <(E-Mail Removed)>, on 01/19/05
> at 11:49 PM, "Aunty Kreist" <(E-Mail Removed)> said: >>
> ---
> >> Abortion _is_ murder.
>
> >That is opinion, not fact.
>
> > It's the taking of a life which, had it not
> >> been intentionally interfered with, would have died of other causes.
> >> ---
>
> >Proof? I expect you to give cites.
>
> Hey there. Take a look at the subject line of this thread for the answer
> to your need for proof.
>
> The only reason old scotty there got the death penalty was because he
> killed his unborn son, aka, the fetus (as referred to by the other
> murderers)
>
> If killing an unborn child is not murder, how come scotty boy is gonna die
> for doing it?

Um....because he also killed the human the fetus was attached to.

But, you raise a good point...when does a fetus become a human life?

Aunty Kreist wrote:

I can't see the original post, but what the hell...

> "John Fields" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:37:02 GMT, "Pip" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> Hunh. I don't care if he lives or dies. He is guilty. Then again
>>> lots of guilty people go free, and then, lots of innocent people go
>>> to the chair. The only way you can cure that is to abolish the
>>> death penalty. I oppose the death penalty because of its varying
>>> application from state to state and judge to judge.
>>
>> ---
>> If you oppose the death penalty it shouldn't be be because of the way
>> it's capriciously enforced by man, it should be because a life which
>> you didn't create shouldn't be yours to take.

Ahmmm. Someone who unjustifiable takes a life should have his life
taken, imo. This is because life is *so* precious, it should never be
taken without good reason. Good reasons are to prevent or punish someone
from taking a life unjustifiable. The *only* reason I am against the
death penalty is because one must have absolute proof that the person
executed is guilty. Killing an innocent person is not an option in this
type of situation imo.

So, I absolutely believe that cold blooded killers should be executed in
principle, but must not be, due the lack of absolute proof of guilt.

>> ---
>
> Why John, how very white of you to inform Pip what her reasons and
> emotions should be.
>
>
>>> The law declaring the fetus a legal person disturbs me a great deal.
>>
>> ---
>> It shouldn't. From the moment of conception, when the two foreign
>> strands of DNA wrap around each other and form something that was
>> never there before, given time and lack of hate, a new human will
>> join us.

Complete nonsense. We only need you be concerned about a "life" after it
has first become *conscious*. Before something becomes conscious it is
no more then a carrot. What *makes* a life, that needs consideration for
its *own* sake, is a brain. Period.

>> ---
>
> Sure it isn't a malignant tumor? And still being so considerate,
> telling people what should and shouldn't disturb them. That's quite
> an ego you have there! I'm sure people will be polite, and not laugh
> at you *too* loudly.
>
>
>>> Its just one step to declaring abortion murder.
>>
>> ---
>> Abortion _is_ murder.
>
> That is opinion, not fact.

I suppose this depends on the definition of "murder". Is it a legal one,
or one what we personally consider is murder. For me, certainly before
about 3 months there are simply no significant neuron connections in a
brain to make a conscious mind, so until that time, the foetus is no
more than a carrot.

Kevin Aylward
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Aunty Kreist wrote:
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:41ef49f3$2$woehfu$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>In <(E-Mail Removed)>, on 01/19/05
>> at 11:49 PM, "Aunty Kreist" <(E-Mail Removed)> said: >>
>>---
>>
>>>>Abortion _is_ murder.
>>
>>>That is opinion, not fact.
>>
>>> It's the taking of a life which, had it not
>>>
>>>>been intentionally interfered with, would have died of other causes.
>>>>---
>>
>>>Proof? I expect you to give cites.
>>
>>Hey there. Take a look at the subject line of this thread for the answer
>>to your need for proof.
>>
>>The only reason old scotty there got the death penalty was because he
>>killed his unborn son, aka, the fetus (as referred to by the other
>>murderers)
>>
>>If killing an unborn child is not murder, how come scotty boy is gonna die
>>for doing it?
>
>
> Um....because he also killed the human the fetus was attached to.
>
> But, you raise a good point...when does a fetus become a human life?

It doesn't. It's a parasite until it leaves the host.

On 2005-01-20, Parse Tree <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Aunty Kreist wrote:

>> Um....because he also killed the human the fetus was attached to.
>> But, you raise a good point...when does a fetus become a human life?
>
> It doesn't. It's a parasite until it leaves the host.

Ah, "host". That's where comp.os.linux.networking comes in play, hm?

OK, I kill child processes every day on my host, hoping they don't
become zombies. And I don't feel guilty about that.


Sorry, but I can't see any reason why comp.os.linux.networking is
in the list of newsgroups to this topic.

Can anyone enlighten me? Otherwise please take care not to post
this thread to comp.os.linux.networking anymore. Thanks.

--
Marco Dieckhoff

Kevin Aylward wrote:

> Someone who unjustifiable takes a life should have his life
> taken, imo.
> So, I absolutely believe that cold blooded killers should be executed in
> principle, but must not be, due the lack of absolute proof of guilt.

Everybody who supports the death penalty should be shot.

Paul Burke

> > >Proof? I expect you to give cites.
> >
======================

How can cites provide proofs?

They are merely yet more opinions, no more reliable than the person who
didn't quote one.

Often more unreliable because of being taken out of context or misquoted.

Either you accept a statement or you dont accept it.

> Everybody who supports the death penalty should be shot.
>
======================

By who ?

Andy replies:

Having raised 2 girls and a boy , I know from personal
experience that a fetus does not take on human characteristics
until approximately 20 years after birth...

Up until that time, abortions should be legalized....
Andy :>))))