Re: NEWS: Nokia tops iPhone and BlackBerry (again), Apple as Nick Clegg

John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:02jdu51ep5hpqgjnkt4a4qmrnovlu284nc@navasgroup .com:

> Apple's iPhone is the Nick Clegg of smartphones: attractive,
> media-savvy, and firmly in third place when matched up against its
> more-experienced rivals.
>
> The top worldwide smartphone manufacturer - by a hefty margin -
remains
> neither Apple nor Research in Motion but Nokia, according to the IDC's
> latest Worldwide Quarterly Mobile Phone Tracker report.
>
> Well, to be completely accurate, the report surveyed what IDC insists
on
> calling "converged mobile devices," but what every other sentient
being
> on the planet calls smartphones.
>
> In a nutshell, the report places Nokia's worldwide smartphone market
> share at 39.3 per cent, RIM's at 19.4, and Apple's at 16.1, all for
the
> first calendar quarter of 2010. These numbers differ somewhat from
those
> announced last week by Strategy Analytics, but not enough to cause
> cheering in Cupertino or weeping in Espoo, Finland.
>
> MORE:
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/07/idc_smartphone_numbers/>
>

John, have you taken a look at the Nokia N8 coming out?

http://events.nokia.com/NokiaN8/

http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n8

12 users who enter the winning app IDEAs will be flown to a big Nokia
event in London. Some celebs are judging the contest....

12 MP camera with a real xenon flash and HD 720p video....in a phone?!

Love the cool way the camera zooms in and out....by moving it towards
and away from the subject....

There's also a webcam on the screen side for online video cam.

48GB with a 32GB microSDHC card in it. None of that Crapple
hobbling.... Free mapping for 70 countries.
Symbian 3 OS...first one.

No wonder they're number ONE.



--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

On 5/10/10 12:18 AM, Larry wrote:
> John Navas<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:02jdu51ep5hpqgjnkt4a4qmrnovlu284nc@navasgroup .com:
>
>> Apple's iPhone is the Nick Clegg of smartphones: attractive,
>> media-savvy, and firmly in third place when matched up against its
>> more-experienced rivals.
>>
>> The top worldwide smartphone manufacturer - by a hefty margin -
> remains
>> neither Apple nor Research in Motion but Nokia, according to the IDC's
>> latest Worldwide Quarterly Mobile Phone Tracker report.
>>
>> Well, to be completely accurate, the report surveyed what IDC insists
> on
>> calling "converged mobile devices," but what every other sentient
> being
>> on the planet calls smartphones.
>>
>> In a nutshell, the report places Nokia's worldwide smartphone market
>> share at 39.3 per cent, RIM's at 19.4, and Apple's at 16.1, all for
> the
>> first calendar quarter of 2010. These numbers differ somewhat from
> those
>> announced last week by Strategy Analytics, but not enough to cause
>> cheering in Cupertino or weeping in Espoo, Finland.
>>
>> MORE:
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/07/idc_smartphone_numbers/>
>>
>
> John, have you taken a look at the Nokia N8 coming out?
>
> http://events.nokia.com/NokiaN8/
>
> http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n8
>
> 12 users who enter the winning app IDEAs will be flown to a big Nokia
> event in London. Some celebs are judging the contest....
>
> 12 MP camera with a real xenon flash and HD 720p video....in a phone?!
>
> Love the cool way the camera zooms in and out....by moving it towards
> and away from the subject....
>
> There's also a webcam on the screen side for online video cam.
>
> 48GB with a 32GB microSDHC card in it. None of that Crapple
> hobbling.... Free mapping for 70 countries.
> Symbian 3 OS...first one.
>
> No wonder they're number ONE.
>
>
>


I'd be happier if the makers of these fancy phones would concentrate on
making the *phones" better.

I don't give a damn about having a high megapixel camera in a phone.
Either my even higher megapixel full frame D-SLR or my lower megapixel
pocket camera will outshoot it.

Tunes? My iPOD does better, and for three times the amount of time on a
battery charge. Plus, if I listen via my iPod, my cell phone still has
its battery life for...phone calls.

I do use my cell's internet capabilities to check my POP email accounts.
In fact, that's the major reason why I got an HTC Incredible.

Movies? Do I want to watch a movie on our 50+ inch HD tv set or on my
cell phone? Tough call. :>)

Harry <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:85d6scFlpgU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Tunes? My iPOD does better, and for three times the amount of time on a
> battery charge. Plus, if I listen via my iPod, my cell phone still has
> its battery life for...phone calls.
>

No it doesn't. I load up a microSDHC with new tunes using the ultra-
complex Windows Explorer before I venture out and plug it into the
appropriate slot on my Motorola ROKR Z6m sellphone. The phone will play
until I can't stand it or get bored with it all day and still make phone
calls long after I get home before bedtime recharging on my nightstand.

What's better is the phone and player at interconnected. If I push the
phone button on the Motorola S9HD bluetooth stereo headset, the music
player stops as I talk to the phone to let it know who I want to call or
what number if it's not in the list. Once the call ends, the music simply
resumes from where it left off with no input from me, at all.

The 2GB SD cards, and I have several for different moods, hot swap in a
heartbeat giving the little phone unlimited storage. Nothing Apple makes
can compare to this simple phone and great sounding BT headset. Try it
sometimes, before drinking the reality distortion koolaid.

The phone would do email, but I'm always within easy reach of my netbook on
a Cricket aircard. I'm a stock daytrader so need market access more than
any phone could offer. It's gambling, I know, but we win more than we
lose.

I hardly carry an MP3 player much any more. Mine are old and don't have BT
unless I plug in the Sony BT stereo transmitter (BT-10) but that's too much
trouble....



--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

In article <(E-Mail Removed) >, John
Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> >What's better is the phone and player at interconnected. If I push the
> >phone button on the Motorola S9HD bluetooth stereo headset, the music
> >player stops as I talk to the phone to let it know who I want to call or
> >what number if it's not in the list. Once the call ends, the music simply
> >resumes from where it left off with no input from me, at all.
>
> Likewise with my Android mobile (T-Mobile myTouch 3G 3.5mm Jack, aka HTC
> Magic), and likewise when streaming Pandora, Internet radio, or Google
> Listen (podcasts), which I do at least as often as my recorded music.

the iphone 3g, 3gs and next model will all do everything you described,
using iphone os 4.0, expected in a few weeks.

> >The 2GB SD cards, and I have several for different moods, hot swap in a
> >heartbeat giving the little phone unlimited storage.
>
> The 16GB microSDHC hard in my Android mobile is more than big enough to
> hold music for all my moods, with room to spare for video (including
> full length movies).

and since iphones start at 16 gig (not counting last year's 3g that's
still sold), you don't need an extra card at all.

> >Nothing Apple makes
> >can compare to this simple phone and great sounding BT headset. Try it
> >sometimes, before drinking the reality distortion koolaid.
>
> Amen.

wrong.

John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:19j5v5dg0pgbvv0ublgg07kpbbaj725ug5@navasgroup .com:

> Likewise with my Android mobile (T-Mobile myTouch 3G 3.5mm Jack, aka
HTC
> Magic), and likewise when streaming Pandora, Internet radio, or Google
> Listen (podcasts), which I do at least as often as my recorded music.
>

I do a good bit of mobile streaming with the Nokia N800 Linux tablets.
My hot spot is a Cricket Cellular A600 aircard plugged into a
Cradlepoint CTR350 USB aircard router running off four 5AH Ni-Mh 'C'
cells in series, 5V close enough. The combination works great anywhere
around Charleston in motion up to 70 mph. I even use it on my Honda
Reflex 250cc scooter with the hotspot running inside the plastic trunk
under my seat to the N800 Linux tablet in my shirt pocket and some odd
named earbuds that don't fall out of my ear canals inside my helmet.

Kix Country in Bundaberg, Queensland, AU
KSEY plays classic country and Texas Swing from Seymour, Texas
Volksmusik.net from Switzerland
Theatre Organ Radio from www.atos.org
Classical music from KING in Seattle
KPIG's crazy mix of music to get stoned with from Freedom, CA

is a small sample of my favorite stations.

I get bored if there's too much talking and boot Vagalume on the little
Linux tablet to access last.fm and its fantastic array of free music on
my own radio stations, too. last.fm is a good place to listen to
Googoosh and other Iranian pop music stars from the Shahanshah's era
before religion drove her from her own country. Googoosh is WAY too
erotic for an Islamic cleric to handle...(c;] She could melt any man's
heart, even if it were made from titanium.....

SSID is W4CSC-R (for repeater)
WPA password is kissmyassbaby
Help yourself. I'm running 100mw so should get to several cars on the
interstate within 200' easy.

--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

nospam <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:180520101644489364%(E-Mail Removed):

> In article <(E-Mail Removed) >, John
> Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> >What's better is the phone and player at interconnected. If I push
>> >the phone button on the Motorola S9HD bluetooth stereo headset, the
>> >music player stops as I talk to the phone to let it know who I want
>> >to call or what number if it's not in the list. Once the call ends,
>> >the music simply resumes from where it left off with no input from
>> >me, at all.
>>
>> Likewise with my Android mobile (T-Mobile myTouch 3G 3.5mm Jack, aka
>> HTC Magic), and likewise when streaming Pandora, Internet radio, or
>> Google Listen (podcasts), which I do at least as often as my recorded
>> music.
>
> the iphone 3g, 3gs and next model will all do everything you
> described, using iphone os 4.0, expected in a few weeks.
>
>> >The 2GB SD cards, and I have several for different moods, hot swap
>> >in a heartbeat giving the little phone unlimited storage.
>>
>> The 16GB microSDHC hard in my Android mobile is more than big enough
>> to hold music for all my moods, with room to spare for video
>> (including full length movies).
>
> and since iphones start at 16 gig (not counting last year's 3g that's
> still sold), you don't need an extra card at all.
>
>> >Nothing Apple makes
>> >can compare to this simple phone and great sounding BT headset. Try
>> >it sometimes, before drinking the reality distortion koolaid.
>>
>> Amen.
>
> wrong.
>

As usual from the Apple Reality Distortion Field, you miss the point
entirely.....

Iphone 3GSXPETUWKMCJUGHEIS superphone will not "do everything you
described" because it will not operate properly with the Motorola S9HD
or any common stereo bluetooth headset....

Iphones:

The following table details supported Bluetooth profiles by device when
using the latest version of the device software.
Device

" 1. iPhone 3GS, iPhone 3G, iPad, and iPod touch (2nd generation)
support pause, play, and stop for AVRCP."
as per http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3647

They do NOT support changing songs from the headset AVRCP, They do not
support AVRCP's volume controls, either, from the Motorola S9HD. Just
another typical Apple half-assed profile all hobbled up.

Iphone also does not support pausing the player to answer the phone
call, THEN RESUMING THE PLAYER from where it left off, as do the most
elementary Motorola phone music players.

Of course, with no support for voice prompting from the bluetooth
headset, you cannot click the call button, the music player pauses, the
voice prompter comes on and asks for a command, then follows the command
to "Call Victor" dialing his phone all the while the music player waits
for him to hang up or me to push the button.

It didn't work a month ago when we paired it with a brand new 3GS a
friend wanted to test his iPhone's compatibility with my S9HD BT
headphones, unless something changed since then.

Careful......stay well back in the Field!


--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

nospam <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:180520101644489364%
(E-Mail Removed)d:

> and since iphones start at 16 gig (not counting last year's 3g that's
> still sold), you don't need an extra card at all.
>
>

Another REality Distortion Field deflection!

I don't give a shit if it has 4TB of storage. It will never compare to
simply plugging a microSD into the phone you've loaded from ANYWHERE, from
ANYBODY without going to that ONE ITUNE ON ONE COMPUTER that piece of
Appleshit you carry must sync to, with Daddy Steve's permission.

How can you continue to defend a piece of shit so hobbled up it can only
talk to ONE computer at a time?

"Here.", I said slipping the microSD from my ROKR into her soft, warm hand.
"Have you heard these songs?", I croak, staring longingly into her blue
eyes trying not to look down at her ample cleavage.

Shove your iphone and its iTunes up your ass.....


--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

In article <(E-Mail Removed) >, John
Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Just the tip of the iceberg. My Android mobile will stream Pandora (or
> Internet radio or Google Listen podcasts or my recorded music) while
> simultaneously running Google Maps with voice directions in the
> background while I surf the Web in the foreground.
>
> Real iPhone doesn't even come close,

yes it does. check back in a few weeks.

In article <Xns9D7CB1839C4F8noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I don't give a shit if it has 4TB of storage. It will never compare to
> simply plugging a microSD into the phone you've loaded from ANYWHERE,

if someone doesn't fill up the built in memory, why would having
swappable cards matter? users do not want to fuss with cards.

> from
> ANYBODY without going to that ONE ITUNE ON ONE COMPUTER that piece of
> Appleshit you carry must sync to, with Daddy Steve's permission.

no permission is needed. users can put *anything* on their ipods and
iphones, whether it's porn, pirated music or purchased content.

> How can you continue to defend a piece of shit so hobbled up it can only
> talk to ONE computer at a time?

ipods can sync with more than one computer, however, since it's over
usb, it can only be one at a time. the same is true for non-apple
devices.

In article <Xns9D7CDE184613Fnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Sync.....my Palm Pilot used to sync. That's so archaic, syncing.

what's archaic is manually managing thousands of songs. that's why
people have a computer, to let *it* do the grunt work. smart playlists
are a fantastic time saver.

> Copy the files to a card. Plug the card in any device you like. Play
> what's on it when you like. Why is that so hard for a fanboi to
> understand?

why is it so hard to understand that without a database, you can't
search for music very effectively. plus, how do you keep track of
what's on which card? sounds like a royal pain in the ass.

removing a card means the database is now invalid and it would also
need to update the database with any card insertion.

plus, most people don't have that much music. the best selling ipods
are the smaller capacity ones, not the largest. since people don't tend
to fill their ipods, there really isn't a need for swappable cards.

> Why is it so "alien" like changeable battery packs?

if the battery lasts longer than a day, who cares? plug it in at night.
ipod battery life is as much as 36 hours nonstop, which is several days
of typical use. it's not hard to get a week of use out of a single
charge. how often are you not near an outlet or usb port in that amount
of time?

most people never buy a second phone or laptop battery anyway, so even
though they say they want a swappable battery, they never actually swap
one. this is very easy to tell by how many spare batteries are sold
compared to how many of the device itself.

not to mention that to get the ipods thin and tiny, particularly the
shuffle, they'd need a custom battery and you'd be whining about 'apple
proprietary batteries.'