Re: NEWS: Google shoots at Apple, ricochet hits Microsoft

In article <(E-Mail Removed) >, John
Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Android Dominates, Windows Mobile Plummets, iPhone Stagnant
>
> The results are in from comScore for the most recent quarter for
> smartphone usage in the United States. With smartphone use up 18 percent
> over the previous quarter, topping 42 million users, Google's Android
> mobile operating system stands out as the dominant winner for this
> quarter.

maybe in growth but android is in fourth place, by *their* numbers.
that's a very odd definition of 'dominant winner.'

> The smartphone statistics from this quarter demonstrate that the
> smartphone is still viewed primarily as a business tool rather than a
> consumer toy. Businesses and business professionals continue to embrace
> BlackBerry and Android devices, in all of their many shapes and forms,
> over the Apple iPhone.

70% of fortune 100 companies are currently deploying or testing iphone
apps.

> Verizon's massive marketing effort leading to the launch of the Motorola
> Droid, and Google's major media attention for the introduction of the
> Nexus One appear to have paid off. Android more than doubled its market
> share over the previous quarter--jumping more than 250 percent from 2.8
> percent of the U.S. smartphone market to 7.1 percent.

it's easy to double market share when it's in the low single digits,
and even with that growth, they're in fourth place.

> ... Apple may have reached a saturation point when it comes to consumer
> adoption of a smartphone device.

'may have.' what about rim? their growth was very small too. that's
also saturated.

expect iphone sales to spike when the next model is released, as it
always does. sampling per quarter is very dependent on which model is
'the latest.'

nospam wrote:
> In article <(E-Mail Removed) >, John
> Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Android Dominates, Windows Mobile Plummets, iPhone Stagnant
>>
>> The results are in from comScore for the most recent quarter for
>> smartphone usage in the United States. With smartphone use up 18 percent
>> over the previous quarter, topping 42 million users, Google's Android
>> mobile operating system stands out as the dominant winner for this
>> quarter.
>
> maybe in growth but android is in fourth place, by *their* numbers.
> that's a very odd definition of 'dominant winner.'

Yes, they're talking about growth rates. Android, since it's starting
from such a low number to begin with, is of course going to have a much
faster growth rate than the iPhone.

The other thing helping Android is that it's being adopted by businesses
for applications that the iPhone isn't suitable for, while the iPhone is
almost exclusively sold into the consumer space. It's similar to what
happened back in the 1980's when the Apple II was very popular with
consumers, but the open architecture, IBM PC ended up dominating the
commercial and industrial market, and soon the consumer market as well.

Of course nothing is stopping Apple from coming out with products
targeted at the business and commercial market, but they seem to be
uncomfortable marketing to those sorts of customers, since those
customers won't accept the level of control that iPhone customers accept.

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In article <4b992dd0$0$1582$(E-Mail Removed)>, SMS
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> The other thing helping Android is that it's being adopted by businesses
> for applications that the iPhone isn't suitable for, while the iPhone is
> almost exclusively sold into the consumer space.

wrong.

nospam wrote:
> In article <4b992dd0$0$1582$(E-Mail Removed)>, SMS
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> The other thing helping Android is that it's being adopted by businesses
>> for applications that the iPhone isn't suitable for, while the iPhone is
>> almost exclusively sold into the consumer space.
>
> wrong.

Sorry, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm sure you are well aware of the reasons that the iPhone has been
deployed by very few major corporations:

1. AT&T only. AT&T’s coverage and network performance are not good
enough for business usage in many parts of the country. Verizon is the
carrier of choice for most major corporations because their network,
both voice and data, has more coverage, is more reliable, and is faster
in the real world (we're not talking about maximum theoretical peak speed).

2. Lacks the security and manageability of BlackBerrys that are used
with an Enterprise server.

3. No slide-out keyboard. For business users that are primarily using
the phone for e-mail, texting, or entering data, the soft keyboard is
not sufficient.

4. Tethering. The lack of tethering in the U.S. means that a business
that wants their employees to be able to use their laptops on the 3G
network has to buy a 3G modem for the employee, and pay twice for data
service, once for the iPhone, once for the 3G modem.

That's not to say Apple will never come out with products more suitable
for the corporate environment, they could easily do a corporate version
of the iPhone that solves at least three of the four major issues, but
they haven't done so yet.

In article <4b993bf0$0$1594$(E-Mail Removed)>, SMS
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Sorry, you have no idea what you're talking about.

yes i do.

> I'm sure you are well aware of the reasons that the iPhone has been
> deployed by very few major corporations:

if by very few, you mean 70% of fortune 100 companies. source: tim
cook, apple coo, last month.

nospam wrote:
> In article <4b993bf0$0$1594$(E-Mail Removed)>, SMS
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, you have no idea what you're talking about.
>
> yes i do.
>
>> I'm sure you are well aware of the reasons that the iPhone has been
>> deployed by very few major corporations:
>
> if by very few, you mean 70% of fortune 100 companies. source: tim
> cook, apple coo, last month.

You're confused. There are employees at those companies using the
iPhone, but almost none have deployed the iPhone via their IT
department. The reason it's only 70% and not 100% is because many
corporations forbid the use of the iPhone for security reasons. You
can't even log on to their internal networks with one.

You'll need to come up with a better reference than the Apple COO if you
want to be believed!

In article <4b994c07$0$1611$(E-Mail Removed)>, SMS
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> You're confused. There are employees at those companies using the
> iPhone, but almost none have deployed the iPhone via their IT
> department.

yes they have.

> The reason it's only 70% and not 100% is because many
> corporations forbid the use of the iPhone for security reasons. You
> can't even log on to their internal networks with one.

it's never going to be 100% and you definitely can log onto internal
networks. it supports vpn out of the box.

> You'll need to come up with a better reference than the Apple COO if you
> want to be believed!

why would he lie?

nospam wrote:
> In article <4b994c07$0$1611$(E-Mail Removed)>, SMS
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> You're confused. There are employees at those companies using the
>> iPhone, but almost none have deployed the iPhone via their IT
>> department.
>
> yes they have.
>
>> The reason it's only 70% and not 100% is because many
>> corporations forbid the use of the iPhone for security reasons. You
>> can't even log on to their internal networks with one.
>
> it's never going to be 100% and you definitely can log onto internal
> networks. it supports vpn out of the box.

VPN is often not enough.

>> You'll need to come up with a better reference than the Apple COO if you
>> want to be believed!
>
> why would he lie?

You're not that dense that that needs to be explained to you.

SMS <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:4b993bf0$0$1594
$(E-Mail Removed):

> 3. No slide-out keyboard. For business users that are primarily using
> the phone for e-mail, texting, or entering data, the soft keyboard is
> not sufficient.
>

The keyboard issue, for business, could easily be solved if it had a USB
port to plug the goddamned external keyboard INTO at the Holiday Inn at
night......or supported more than sellphone headphones on BLUETOOTH!




--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

In article <4b993bf0$0$1594$(E-Mail Removed)>,
SMS <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> That's not to say Apple will never come out with products more suitable
> for the corporate environment, they could easily do a corporate version
> of the iPhone that solves at least three of the four major issues, but
> they haven't done so yet.

You won't be able to deal with "nospam" in a logical and coherent way.
He's one of those bizarre Apple zealots who see Apple (and Jobs) as a
brand of religion (and deity) that needs defending against all
criticism, no matter how well-founded that criticism is.
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